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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2022 6:26:34 GMT -8
This is the goal of exegesis, not the means. Everyone thinks that their reasoning is what the author and hearers understood it to mean. The two are not mutually exclusive conditions. Take, for example, a line that might say something like a person was walking through the countryside and wrote, " I heard the sound of locusts." If we abide by the principle requiring us to first understand the text as the original audience would have understood it, then we necessarily preclude that statement from being about a helicopter because helicopters were not invented for thousands of years after the writer died. He could not possibly have heard a helicopter flying over the countryside in the 10th century BC, or the 1st century AD (or any time in between). When we understand the 10th century BC or 1st century AD point of view we 1) preclude a lot of egocentric reading and 2) still have to understand much more about the meaning contemporary to the writer. Furthermore, that original person's or people's understanding would include a host of larger matters beyond their own personal anecdotal experience, knowledge, or understanding, including things like competing philosophies/theologies of that time, centuries of cultural identity and the progressive nature or revelation in the Bible as a whole. One reason for obtaining an original-audience understanding are to preclude egocentrism, understanding we were not the original audience. That's a means, not the goal of exegesis as a whole. The reason " everyone thinks their reasoning is what the author and hearers understood" is because they do not apply the 12 rules listed in this op uniformly. The principle of original-meaning exists to eliminate relativism, not enable it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2022 6:43:22 GMT -8
Basic precepts in Sound Biblical Exegesis I noticed the thread on Biblical exegesis and wanted to contribute but not overwhelm or otherwise hijack the existing conversations. There are several hermeneutical approaches, but the exegetical basics are the same, regardless of the hermeneutical model. Anyone can Google "rules of biblical interpretation," or "rules for biblical exegesis" and they'll find a host of websites all coming from various points of view hermeneutically. The list of basic exegesis rules will all be the same. I may post an op on those models later but for now here is a list of twelve basic precept anyone can practice, and everyone should practice. This may look long but it takes only a page and half in a Word document. Remember entire books are written on this in greater detail. I'll post a list of books I have found helpful (and maybe one or two to avoid). I've synthesized this list from all the reading I have done. Keep in mind there are more principles, many of greater detail than is needed by the average reader of the Bible. These are the basics. Basic Rules for Sound Biblical Exegesis. - Read what is written as you would read any other book, understanding what is written in its normal usage with the ordinary meaning of the words….. unless there is something in the passage itself indicating otherwise. This is called the Grammatical Principle.
a. Make not of the language and syntax used, such as the occurrence of predicate or conditional statements.
b. Make note of how the author himself builds his presentation, asserting individual points and working toward larger principles or conclusions.
- Read the text in its self-reported context.
a. Context helps define the text. Context gives meaning to the text.
b. Note who is writing and to whom he is writing. This is one of the first contexts established by any given text. Start with the reason(s), purpose, or intent the author himself states.
c. Understand the text as the original author and his original first century readers would have understood what they were reading at the time when it was written.
d. Do not generalize what is said to one person to a group of people or all people unless the text itself gives reason for doing so. Do not apply what is stated about one group of people to all groups of people unless the text itself provides reason to do so.
If this were true, then we cannot assume that the truth spoken to the Romans would also apply to the Philippians or any other set of believers. This principle, as stated, seems to be slighted toward a Reform viewpoint. Doug Except that in Romans, and elsewhere in the epistolary, and in other books of the Bible, we find overt statements, comparable principles, and common threads indicating what can be generalized. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with anything remotely pertaining to extra-biblical theological viewpoints. REMEMBER: This op lists only the common, the shared, the uniform basics of exegesis. Different hermeneutic models may add additional principles. They all have their biases. That is the nature of the hermeneutic. THEY ARE ALL USING THE SAME BASIC EXEGETICAL PRINCIPLES, and one of the ways we can (and should) measure the veracity of the hermeneutic and the prowess of the person applying any given hermeneutic is how consistently they apply the commonly held basic principles of exegesis. Principle 12 prevents people from over-generalizing, not generalizing. |
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Post by Obadiah on Aug 13, 2022 9:13:14 GMT -8
For real.. it was 1954 in Silverlake district of Los Angeles ca. And my parents took me to this church there called "Chrich of the Nacrein" I loved it. They had this painting of Jesus sitting on a log with a bunch of kids looking at Him. I never forgot that picture. I have one I found at a Christian store and now have it on my wall now. So I see it everyday. ![]() Ah, you went to a Nazarene church in L.A.! Good things happen in a Nazarene church! Doug I was not sure I spelled it right. I did goggled it and saw a tv news photo along with a comment that it was being torn down. Sad because it was an awesome building. Like an old school cathedral. I feel in love With Jesus there and that was the best thing the ever happened to me. Next on my list will be seeing Him face to face. John 14:1-3 "Let not your heart be troubled. Believe in God. Believe also in me. There are many rooms in my Father's house. If it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you... so I will come again and receive you to myself, that where I am, there you may be also." Revelation 22:4 "They shall see his face." |
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