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Facts From Colossians Apr 2, 2023 0:41:51 GMT -8 civic likes this

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Post by rockson on Apr 2, 2023 0:41:51 GMT -8

Apr 1, 2023 5:56:24 GMT -8 Theophilus said:

The way we do it at the church I'm a member of is unmarried couples are free to attend services And they are given counseling And encouraged to get married. They are not allowed to become a member as long as they remain unmarried. Also they may not perform any church services such as being an usher or work in Security or parking.

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Thanks for sharing and I read the piece on your link. I think the couple of which I speak I'll have to revisit the issue with them and have them at least tell me in general where the boyfriend is living. I'm not their Pastor but their home group leader. They're so very silent about where he is living and not to ask for any address or anything as I think that would be too intrusive but they should be able to give us a general sense of what their set up is. Again thanks for your sharing.

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Facts From Colossians Apr 2, 2023 4:38:33 GMT -8

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Apr 2, 2023 0:41:51 GMT -8 rockson said:

Apr 1, 2023 5:56:24 GMT -8 Theophilus said:

The way we do it at the church I'm a member of is unmarried couples are free to attend services And they are given counseling And encouraged to get married. They are not allowed to become a member as long as they remain unmarried. Also they may not perform any church services such as being an usher or work in Security or parking.

I found this>

Thanks for sharing and I read the piece on your link. I think the couple of which I speak I'll have to revisit the issue with them and have them at least tell me in general where the boyfriend is living. I'm not their Pastor but their home group leader. They're so very silent about where he is living and not to ask for any address or anything as I think that would be too intrusive but they should be able to give us a general sense of what their set up is. Again thanks for your sharing.

Does the topic of godly living ever get brought up with scriptures supporting the christian life and expectations for believers ?

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Facts From Colossians Apr 2, 2023 5:11:32 GMT -8 civic likes this

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Post by Unmerited on Apr 2, 2023 5:11:32 GMT -8

rockson civic Theophilus

Well... I know that a deep subject. Everyone in our group is in their 70' and I believe has a good handle on godly living. But I would like to study it out a bit so I'll make a thread somewhere here on BAM And see if we can get some discussion going on this topic.

Then I'll bring it up in the home group. I'll start right here:

The prerequisite to godly living is the grace of God. It teaches Christians discipleship and affords them the blessed hope of the Coming of Christ.

For the grace of God has appeared for the salvation of all men, 12 training us to renounce irreligion and worldly passions, and to live sober, upright, and godly lives in this world, 13 awaiting our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all iniquity and to purify for himself a people of his own who are zealous for good deeds. Titus 2:11–14

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Facts From Colossians Apr 2, 2023 5:31:32 GMT -8 Unmerited likes this

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Apr 2, 2023 5:11:32 GMT -8 Unmerited said:

rockson civic Theophilus

Well... I know that a deep subject. Everyone in our group is in their 70' and I believe has a good handle on godly living. But I would like to study it out a bit so I'll make a thread somewhere here on BAM And see if we can get some discussion going on this topic.

Then I'll bring it up in the home group. I'll start right here:

The prerequisite to godly living is the grace of God. It teaches Christians discipleship and affords them the blessed hope of the Coming of Christ.

For the grace of God has appeared for the salvation of all men, 12 training us to renounce irreligion and worldly passions, and to live sober, upright, and godly lives in this world, 13 awaiting our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all iniquity and to purify for himself a people of his own who are zealous for good deeds. Titus 2:11–14

So just to give you a heads up I often will discuss these kinds of things openly in the different mens discipleship groups I'm involved in on a weekly basis. But not so much in mixed home groups unless someone is asking "what does the Bible have to say" on such and such an issue. I have had to deal with the issue with one of my own grown/adult children the past couple of years and my best friend in out Thursday night home group is going through the same thing in his own family and the hurt/pain and division it has caused within his children, grandchildren and their families.

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Facts From Colossians Apr 2, 2023 12:55:22 GMT -8 civic likes this

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Apr 2, 2023 4:38:33 GMT -8 civic said:

Apr 2, 2023 0:41:51 GMT -8 rockson said:

Thanks for sharing and I read the piece on your link. I think the couple of which I speak I'll have to revisit the issue with them and have them at least tell me in general where the boyfriend is living. I'm not their Pastor but their home group leader. They're so very silent about where he is living and not to ask for any address or anything as I think that would be too intrusive but they should be able to give us a general sense of what their set up is. Again thanks for your sharing.

Does the topic of godly living ever get brought up with scriptures supporting the christian life and expectations for believers ?

I'd say in our church YES. In our home groups we basically go over the Pastor's sermon the Sunday prior and his sermons largely are on a level for people who have a lot of these things settled or as one poster on here stated, his people had a good handle on godly living.

Thing about this couple I'm referring to they will agree it's not right and sin what they're doing but kind of feel that God understands though. They kind of feel that God will tell them well I wasn't totally happy with this but it'll be reflected in some reward God just won't give them that they might have got. They're of the opinion to of once saved always saved and there's just no real way God would turn them away.

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Facts From Colossians Apr 2, 2023 13:46:54 GMT -8

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rockson

Thing about this couple I'm referring to they will agree it's not right and sin what they're doing but kind of feel that God understands though. They kind of feel that God will tell them well I wasn't totally happy with this but it'll be reflected in some reward God just won't give them that they might have got. They're of the opinion to of once saved always saved and there's just no real way God would turn them away.

One thing I forgot to mention about the Unmarried couple that was In our life group, Was they didn't believe in the fear of God. You know that beginning of wisdom thing?

I do believe in once saved always saved but I also believe that if one doesn't repent and turn from sin they were never really saved. I don't think a walk down the aisle to the pulpit and saying a little prayer is evidence of salvation.

For me it was a dramatic life change. Seriously even some of my closest friends didn't recognize me. I was definitely a new creation. I've always liked to read and once I got my hand on the Bible there was no stopping me. I'll never forget when I found Galatians, And then Romans. I believed every word that was in the bible. There was no pages that I wanted to tear out and I definitely did not want to put God in a box. I wanted to live my life his way because I already figured out my way didn't work.

To me if you're truly saved and you fall into some sin and think you can hang out there, God will let you but there's going to be consequences. Think The Prodigal Son and the pigpen scenario. Once we belong to Him, he never lets us go and no one can snatch us outside of his hand.

And then there was Peter denying Jesus. And not to forget leaving the 99 to go find that one lost lamb.

This song says it all for me.

"In The Light"

(originally by Charlie Peacock)

DC Talk does it best

I keep trying to find a life

On my own, apart from You

I am the king of excuses

I've got one for every selfish thing I do

What's going on inside of me?

I despise my own behavior

This only serves to confirm my suspicions

That I'm still a man in need of a Savior

[chorus]

I wanna be in the Light

As You are in the Light

I wanna shine like the stars in the heavens

Oh, Lord be my Light and be my salvation

Cause all I want is to be in the Light

All I want is to be in the Light

The disease of self runs through my blood

It's a cancer fatal to my soul

Every attempt on my behalf has failed

To bring this sickness under control

Tell me, what's going on inside of me?

I despise my own behavior

This only serves to confirm my suspicions

That I'm still a man in need of a Savior

[repeat chorus]

Honesty becomes me

(There's nothing left to lose)

The secrets that did run me

(In Your presence are defused)

Pride has no position

(And riches have no worth)

The fame that once did cover me

(Has been sentenced to this Earth)

Has been sentenced to this Earth

Tell me, what's going on inside of me?

I despise my own behavior

This only serves to confirm my suspicions

That I'm still a man in need of a Savior

[repeat chorus 2x]

(There's no other place that I want to be)

(No other place that I can see)

(A place to be that's just right)

(Someday I'm gonna be in the Light)

(You are in the Light)

(That's where I need to be)

(That's right where I need to be)

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Facts From Colossians Apr 3, 2023 9:25:37 GMT -8

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Post by Theophilus on Apr 3, 2023 9:25:37 GMT -8

I read a book by Jerry bridges entitled Sins We Accept and the fastest way for me to describe it is the takeaway from the Tax Collector and the Pharisee praying in the temple. They were both guilty of sin but only one recognized that fact and asked for forgiveness.

Here is how Kindle describes it.

Have Christians become so preoccupied with the major sins of our society that we have lost sight of our need to deal with our own more subtle sins? In this booklet adapted from Jerry Bridges’ bestselling book Respectable Sins, Jerry returns to his trademark theme of holiness and addresses these more subtle sins (often considered acceptable) and how to deal with them through the remedy of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Sins such as jealousy, anger, pride, judgmentalism, and unthankfulness are addressed in this booklet. Jerry writes not from a height of spiritual accomplishment but from the trenches of his own battles with sin. In his admonitions, Jerry offers a message of hope in the profound mercy of the gospel and the transforming grace of God as the means to overcome our subtle sins.

If you're into Kindle books you can't beat the price $1.49>

Our tendency is that as soon as we begin to work on an area of sin in our lives, we forget the gospel. We forget that God has already forgiven us our sin because of the death of Christ. As Paul wrote in Colossians 2:13-14, “[God has] forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.”

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Facts From Colossians Jun 29, 2023 5:36:52 GMT -8 Unmerited likes this

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Mar 30, 2023 7:37:09 GMT -8 Unmerited said:

I just wanted to add habitual sin in the life of a believer makes his or hers witness and testimony ineffective. I also love what you wrote about God working in us and we lose the desire to sin. To me it means when we are tempted we don't fall for it because we love God more than our fleshly desires and the Holy Spirit is guiding and directing our lives.

Hi and thanks for the reply and comments. Concerning habitual sin, if one doesn't cease from it, it's because they are not saved yet. One cannot have a sinful pleasure, and the Lord Jesus.

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Facts From Colossians Jun 29, 2023 5:41:19 GMT -8 civic likes this

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Jun 29, 2023 5:36:52 GMT -8 netchaplain said:

Mar 30, 2023 7:37:09 GMT -8 Unmerited said:

I just wanted to add habitual sin in the life of a believer makes his or hers witness and testimony ineffective. I also love what you wrote about God working in us and we lose the desire to sin. To me it means when we are tempted we don't fall for it because we love God more than our fleshly desires and the Holy Spirit is guiding and directing our lives.

Hi and thanks for the reply and comments. Concerning habitual sin, if one doesn't cease from it, it's because they are not saved yet. One cannot have a sinful pleasure, and the Lord Jesus.

Sounds right too me.

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Facts From Colossians Jul 2, 2023 16:46:41 GMT -8

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Post by civic on Jul 2, 2023 16:46:41 GMT -8

Jun 29, 2023 5:41:19 GMT -8 Unmerited said:

Jun 29, 2023 5:36:52 GMT -8 netchaplain said:

Hi and thanks for the reply and comments. Concerning habitual sin, if one doesn't cease from it, it's because they are not saved yet. One cannot have a sinful pleasure, and the Lord Jesus.

Sounds right too me.

I concur