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Post by Theophilus on Sept 1, 2022 12:14:12 GMT -8
There’s a sticking point that arises again and again in my conversations with some Christians over the years. We’ll be talking about the character of God, the significance of the cross, the nature of faith, salvation, and so on. We’ll be talking about God’s great love for us, his desire that we live abundantly, and his efforts to draw people to himself. I'll be having a great time in my theological conversation among fellow believers. But then the sticking point arises.
But what about God’s wrath?
There’s a lot in Scripture about God’s love for us. But there’s quite a lot about God’s wrath as well. Is God’s love only one side of God’s character? Is wrath really another, complementary side we must consider? Paul tells us in Romans 11:22 to consider the “kindness and sternness of God.” In another translation it’s the “goodness and severity of God”. Would it therefore be a weak, tepid, overly feel-good theology that considers only God’s love but neglects to consider God’s wrath?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Most, if not all, theological disagreements stem ultimately from differing ways of understanding God’s nature and character. Just what does the anger or wrath of God look like? Is it part of God's nature and character? It is actually a great irony that the term wrath has become something of a special theological term for God’s anger or displeasure. The irony is that the biblical use of the term is specifically not intended for the context of abstract, academic discussions. References to God’s wrath are meant to convey the intensity of God’s reaction to real-life situations. They convey God’s rage, his fury, as he relates to humans in our world, made messy by injustice, oppression, and human suffering.
Some people are surprised to find the Bible using such words as fury or wrath to describe God. They think of such language as crude or primitive, not suitable for a mature and enlightened conversation about the character of God. But the biblical language—particularly the Old Testament Hebrew—is direct, vivid, earthy.
The Old Testament has quite a bit to say about God's anger and his Wrath, but it's also found in the New Testament. As Paul points out in Romans 1:17/19
God's Wrath against Sin
17For the gospel reveals the righteousness of God that comes by faith from start to finish, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.” 18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness. 19For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.…
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Post by rickstudies on Sept 6, 2022 11:07:33 GMT -8
There’s a sticking point that arises again and again in my conversations with some Christians over the years. We’ll be talking about the character of God, the significance of the cross, the nature of faith, salvation, and so on. We’ll be talking about God’s great love for us, his desire that we live abundantly, and his efforts to draw people to himself. I'll be having a great time in my theological conversation among fellow believers. But then the sticking point arises. But what about God’s wrath? There’s a lot in Scripture about God’s love for us. But there’s quite a lot about God’s wrath as well. Is God’s love only one side of God’s character? Is wrath really another, complementary side we must consider? Paul tells us in Romans 11:22 to consider the “kindness and sternness of God.” In another translation it’s the “goodness and severity of God”. Would it therefore be a weak, tepid, overly feel-good theology that considers only God’s love but neglects to consider God’s wrath? Inquiring minds want to know.Most, if not all, theological disagreements stem ultimately from differing ways of understanding God’s nature and character. Just what does the anger or wrath of God look like? Is it part of God's nature and character? It is actually a great irony that the term wrath has become something of a special theological term for God’s anger or displeasure. The irony is that the biblical use of the term is specifically not intended for the context of abstract, academic discussions. References to God’s wrath are meant to convey the intensity of God’s reaction to real-life situations. They convey God’s rage, his fury, as he relates to humans in our world, made messy by injustice, oppression, and human suffering. Some people are surprised to find the Bible using such words as fury or wrath to describe God. They think of such language as crude or primitive, not suitable for a mature and enlightened conversation about the character of God. But the biblical language—particularly the Old Testament Hebrew—is direct, vivid, earthy. The Old Testament has quite a bit to say about God's anger and his Wrath, but it's also found in the New Testament. As Paul points out in Romans 1:17/19 God's Wrath against Sin
17For the gospel reveals the righteousness of God that comes by faith from start to finish, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.” 18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness. 19For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.… The wrath of God doesn`t occur in a vacuum. It is a reaction to the pain, suffering and harm caused by sins. The "Day of the Lord" which the Bible warns will be a time of darkness not light will occur in direct response to the torture and execution of Christians during the great tribulation. One of the hallmarks of a wicked civilization is the suppression of the truth about Jesus Christ. |
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Post by Redeemed on Sept 6, 2022 12:31:24 GMT -8
Paul definitely wrote about the wrath of God in the New Testament, noting that this wrath is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness. God’s wrath is not spiteful vengeance, but holy justice. It is a common misconception among people today that God was wrathful in the Old Testament and loving in the New Testament. The truth is that in both testaments God is both a God of mercy and a God of wrath.
But thankfully, those who accept Jesus as Lord and Savior are no longer “children of wrath.” We are made alive together with Christ, saved by His grace... His Grace is greater!
Among these we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, following the desires of body and mind, and so we were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, out of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up with him, and made us sit with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. Ephesians 2:3–7
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Post by Parker on Sept 20, 2022 14:51:22 GMT -8
Paul definitely wrote about the wrath of God in the New Testament, noting that this wrath is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness. God’s wrath is not spiteful vengeance, but holy justice. It is a common misconception among people today that God was wrathful in the Old Testament and loving in the New Testament. The truth is that in both testaments God is both a God of mercy and a God of wrath. But thankfully, those who accept Jesus as Lord and Savior are no longer “children of wrath.” We are made alive together with Christ, saved by His grace... His Grace is greater!Among these we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, following the desires of body and mind, and so we were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, out of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up with him, and made us sit with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. Ephesians 2:3–7 I think God’s wrath is his love in action against sin. This sounds weird but let me explain. God is love, and God does all things for his glory" 1 John 4:8 He who does not love has not become acquainted with God [does not and never did know Him], for God is love. Romans 11:36 For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. [For all things originate with Him and come from Him; all things live through Him, and all things center in and tend to consummate and to end in Him.] To Him be glory forever! Amen (so be it). He loves his glory above all (and that is a good thing!). Therefore, God rules the world in such a way that brings himself maximum glory. This means that God must act justly and judge sin (respond with wrath), otherwise God would not be God. God’s love for his glory motivates his wrath against sin. Admittedly, God’s love for his own glory is a most sobering reality for many and not good news for sinners. It is after all, “a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God” Hebrews 10:31 It is a fearful (formidable and terrible) thing to incur the divine penalties and be cast into the hands of the living God! |
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Post by Redeemed on Oct 22, 2022 8:09:55 GMT -8
There’s a sticking point that arises again and again in my conversations with some Christians over the years. We’ll be talking about the character of God, the significance of the cross, the nature of faith, salvation, and so on. We’ll be talking about God’s great love for us, his desire that we live abundantly, and his efforts to draw people to himself. I'll be having a great time in my theological conversation among fellow believers. But then the sticking point arises. But what about God’s wrath? There’s a lot in Scripture about God’s love for us. But there’s quite a lot about God’s wrath as well. Is God’s love only one side of God’s character? Is wrath really another, complementary side we must consider? Paul tells us in Romans 11:22 to consider the “kindness and sternness of God.” In another translation it’s the “goodness and severity of God”. Would it therefore be a weak, tepid, overly feel-good theology that considers only God’s love but neglects to consider God’s wrath? Inquiring minds want to know.Most, if not all, theological disagreements stem ultimately from differing ways of understanding God’s nature and character. Just what does the anger or wrath of God look like? Is it part of God's nature and character? It is actually a great irony that the term wrath has become something of a special theological term for God’s anger or displeasure. The irony is that the biblical use of the term is specifically not intended for the context of abstract, academic discussions. References to God’s wrath are meant to convey the intensity of God’s reaction to real-life situations. They convey God’s rage, his fury, as he relates to humans in our world, made messy by injustice, oppression, and human suffering. Some people are surprised to find the Bible using such words as fury or wrath to describe God. They think of such language as crude or primitive, not suitable for a mature and enlightened conversation about the character of God. But the biblical language—particularly the Old Testament Hebrew—is direct, vivid, earthy. The Old Testament has quite a bit to say about God's anger and his Wrath, but it's also found in the New Testament. As Paul points out in Romans 1:17/19 God's Wrath against Sin
17For the gospel reveals the righteousness of God that comes by faith from start to finish, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.” 18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness. 19For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.… The wrath of God doesn`t occur in a vacuum. It is a reaction to the pain, suffering and harm caused by sins. The "Day of the Lord" which the Bible warns will be a time of darkness not light will occur in direct response to the torture and execution of Christians during the great tribulation. One of the hallmarks of a wicked civilization is the suppression of the truth about Jesus Christ. You hit that one out of the ballpark. |
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Post by e v e on Dec 29, 2022 16:49:50 GMT -8
God’s anger for us was that we went to the enemy
- who hurt us -
so it was for us He got angry
…hating the enemy and knowing
what they would do to us.
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Post by e v e on Dec 29, 2022 16:50:46 GMT -8
sin is this fleshbody
the evil realm imprisoned us in
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