Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2022 8:28:59 GMT -8
My intent is not to create drama, fear, rancor, hysteria, etc., so don't bother reading the op if this kind of thing triggers or excites you in any of those directions. I'm not interested in polemics, either. Just sharing some curious information.
I just got done reading a research study on COVID vaccination and pregnancy from a Netherland journal, Elsevier, and I am a bit surprised with the combination of the study's results and the conclusions drawn from those results. The "vaccine adverse event reporting system" (VAERS) was the basis of the study and I found the link to the study at the CDC (so this isn't a Q-Anon thing). Here's what the results state,
"VAERS received 3,462 reports of AEs in pregnant persons who received a COVID-19 vaccine; 1,831 (52.9%) after BNT162b2, 1,350 (38.9%) after mRNA-1273, and 275 (7.9%) after Ad26.COV2.S. Eight maternal deaths and 12 neonatal deaths were reported. Six-hundred twenty-one (17.9%) reports were serious. Pregnancy-specific outcomes included: 878 spontaneous abortions (<20 weeks), 101 episodes of vaginal bleeding, 76 preterm deliveries (<37 weeks), 62 stillbirths (≥20 weeks), and 33 outcomes with birth defects. Crude reporting rates for preterm deliveries and stillbirths, as well as maternal and neonatal mortality rates were below background rates from published sources. No disproportional reporting for any AE was observed."
3,642 total reports of pregnant women who were vaccinated were examined.
Of those 3,642 reports there were a total of 1,061 problems with the pregnancies. You can do the math, but my number is only those resulting in defect or death, including "spontaneous abortion". That's a 29% adverse effect rate attributed to the vaccine. Given this 29% adverse effect rate the study concluded,
"Review of reports to VAERS following COVID-19 vaccines in pregnant persons did not identify any concerning patterns of maternal or infant-fetal outcomes."
I did a little research of normal fatality and defect rates in the US for comparison. Average US neonatal fatality rate is .0054%. The rate in the study above is .0034%, indicating an improvement in vaccinated women. Same thing proves out with stillbirths. Average rates is .4% overall and among the reported rate among vaccinated women was .017% - again indicating a lower stillborn rate among the vaccinated. Numbers for spontaneous abortions are hard to track down because of the politics of abortion but I found the rate ranged from 15-20% of all pregnancies ending in spontaneous (not induced) abortion. Average birth defect is .03%, and with vaccination it's .009%. The rate among women who were vaccinated is 25%, indicating an increased likelihood of spontaneous abortion. With a few exceptions, the incident rates of the concerns listed in the results section of this study were slightly higher with the Pfizer BNT162b2 vaccine than the mRNA-1273 (Moderna) or Ad26.COV2.S (Jansen/Johnson) vaccines, but none of the differences were statistically significant except for evidence indicating the Pfizer vaccine had six times more defects than the other two.
At least according to this study.
Upon my first reading of the study, I was alarmed by the incident rate of problems during pregnancy and the conclusion of no "concerning patterns." The numbers seemed pretty concerning to me so I don't know how they could make their conclusions. It was only after examining these concerns more globally that I learned the unexpected: There is a significant increase in risk of spontaneous abortion but when the fetus survives 20 weeks of gestation without defect, then the likelihood of other problems is decreased with the vaccine! I will add a couple of other things I learned skimming other studies. One tidbit is the report pregnant women were deliberately excluded from early data gathering. Another tidbit is that in early data gathering the emphasis was on anaphylaxis (allergic responses) and not the kind of data addressed in this study.
My meta-analysis is not in any way thorough. This op is not in any way scientific. It's not even a random sampling of the research because my search was led by specific biases of mine and the search engines I used
. I don't spend a lot of time on this subject. This study and a few others came to my awareness through recent conversations with friends, clients, and professional peers, some of whom are persuaded by sources like q-anon and others more trusting of the CDC and other government sources. The study above is only one study. I do not assert it as definitive. I found other studies with evidence and conclusions contrary to this study and a few with evidence and conclusions supporting this study but you're not going to be able to access them without a subscription to the journals or databases in which they're found.
I don't have a particular point of comment or inquiry for discussion; I thought it might be a break from the more theological discussions occurring elsewhere in the forum. Have at it folks
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I just got done reading a research study on COVID vaccination and pregnancy from a Netherland journal, Elsevier, and I am a bit surprised with the combination of the study's results and the conclusions drawn from those results. The "vaccine adverse event reporting system" (VAERS) was the basis of the study and I found the link to the study at the CDC (so this isn't a Q-Anon thing). Here's what the results state,
"VAERS received 3,462 reports of AEs in pregnant persons who received a COVID-19 vaccine; 1,831 (52.9%) after BNT162b2, 1,350 (38.9%) after mRNA-1273, and 275 (7.9%) after Ad26.COV2.S. Eight maternal deaths and 12 neonatal deaths were reported. Six-hundred twenty-one (17.9%) reports were serious. Pregnancy-specific outcomes included: 878 spontaneous abortions (<20 weeks), 101 episodes of vaginal bleeding, 76 preterm deliveries (<37 weeks), 62 stillbirths (≥20 weeks), and 33 outcomes with birth defects. Crude reporting rates for preterm deliveries and stillbirths, as well as maternal and neonatal mortality rates were below background rates from published sources. No disproportional reporting for any AE was observed."
3,642 total reports of pregnant women who were vaccinated were examined.
Of those 3,642 reports there were a total of 1,061 problems with the pregnancies. You can do the math, but my number is only those resulting in defect or death, including "spontaneous abortion". That's a 29% adverse effect rate attributed to the vaccine. Given this 29% adverse effect rate the study concluded,
"Review of reports to VAERS following COVID-19 vaccines in pregnant persons did not identify any concerning patterns of maternal or infant-fetal outcomes."
I did a little research of normal fatality and defect rates in the US for comparison. Average US neonatal fatality rate is .0054%. The rate in the study above is .0034%, indicating an improvement in vaccinated women. Same thing proves out with stillbirths. Average rates is .4% overall and among the reported rate among vaccinated women was .017% - again indicating a lower stillborn rate among the vaccinated. Numbers for spontaneous abortions are hard to track down because of the politics of abortion but I found the rate ranged from 15-20% of all pregnancies ending in spontaneous (not induced) abortion. Average birth defect is .03%, and with vaccination it's .009%. The rate among women who were vaccinated is 25%, indicating an increased likelihood of spontaneous abortion. With a few exceptions, the incident rates of the concerns listed in the results section of this study were slightly higher with the Pfizer BNT162b2 vaccine than the mRNA-1273 (Moderna) or Ad26.COV2.S (Jansen/Johnson) vaccines, but none of the differences were statistically significant except for evidence indicating the Pfizer vaccine had six times more defects than the other two.
At least according to this study.
Upon my first reading of the study, I was alarmed by the incident rate of problems during pregnancy and the conclusion of no "concerning patterns." The numbers seemed pretty concerning to me so I don't know how they could make their conclusions. It was only after examining these concerns more globally that I learned the unexpected: There is a significant increase in risk of spontaneous abortion but when the fetus survives 20 weeks of gestation without defect, then the likelihood of other problems is decreased with the vaccine! I will add a couple of other things I learned skimming other studies. One tidbit is the report pregnant women were deliberately excluded from early data gathering. Another tidbit is that in early data gathering the emphasis was on anaphylaxis (allergic responses) and not the kind of data addressed in this study.
My meta-analysis is not in any way thorough. This op is not in any way scientific. It's not even a random sampling of the research because my search was led by specific biases of mine and the search engines I used
. I don't spend a lot of time on this subject. This study and a few others came to my awareness through recent conversations with friends, clients, and professional peers, some of whom are persuaded by sources like q-anon and others more trusting of the CDC and other government sources. The study above is only one study. I do not assert it as definitive. I found other studies with evidence and conclusions contrary to this study and a few with evidence and conclusions supporting this study but you're not going to be able to access them without a subscription to the journals or databases in which they're found. I don't have a particular point of comment or inquiry for discussion; I thought it might be a break from the more theological discussions occurring elsewhere in the forum. Have at it folks
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