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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2022 15:05:49 GMT -8
Here's a comparative chart from Rose Publishing's brochure on the end times. I got this off the internet so I don't know whether it is public domain, but the brochure can be purchased online for five bucks (3 if you have a Kindle app).  Note there are two types of premillennialism. Not all premillennialism is the same. There are significant differences between the Historic view and the Dispensationalist view that are not shown on this chart but chief among those differences is the former does not consider Israel relevant to Christian eschatology. Read it while you can because if it's not public domain it'll have to be deleted. |
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Post by Parker on Sept 15, 2022 12:26:33 GMT -8
What is you view? Looks like I'm a Dispensational Premillennialism kind of guy and didn't even know it. But I have good company: Familiar contemporary proponents of Dispensationalism include Jonathan Cahn, William Criswell, Norman Geisler, Dave Hunt, Thomas Ice, John Hagee, David Jeremiah, Tim LaHaye, Hal Lindsey, John MacArthur, Joel Rosenberg, Charles Ryrie, Chuck Smith, Charles Swindoll, Jack Van Impe, and John Walvoord. From Come Let Us Reason |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2022 5:00:36 GMT -8
What is you view? Looks like I'm a Dispensational Premillennialism kind of guy and didn't even know it. But I have good company: Familiar contemporary proponents of Dispensationalism include Jonathan Cahn, William Criswell, Norman Geisler, Dave Hunt, Thomas Ice, John Hagee, David Jeremiah, Tim LaHaye, Hal Lindsey, John MacArthur, Joel Rosenberg, Charles Ryrie, Chuck Smith, Charles Swindoll, Jack Van Impe, and John Walvoord. From Come Let Us ReasonI would not say that is good company. Most of those men are false teachers. In point of fact not one single teacher within Dispensational Premillennialism has ever made an accurate prediction. Over the last 200 years of DPism there is a 100% fail rate and no one within DPism has ever held the false prognosticators accountable for their false teachings. The worst of them subjugate scripture to the latest news cast (instead of the other way around) and profit of speculation. They get by because when they are not teaching about end times or the character of the Church their words are more orthodox (but some those listed are also semi-Pelagian). Don't be fooled because you hear an encouraging message about life in Christ. There are huge problems within Dispensational Premillennialism. I encourage a more thorough examination of the more historical, longer held, well-established alternatives. There are a couple of short comparative books I can recommend, " The Meaning of the Millennium: Four Views," edited by Robert Clouse " Four Views on the Book of Revelation," edited by Stanley Gundry " Three Views on the Rapture," edited by Stanley Gundry " Three Views on the Rapture," edited by Stanley Gundry (same title different contributors) And I can make recommendations for reading single-author reviews of the four main eschatologies, or recommendations on specific eschatological points of view for anyone interested. I'll add this: every Christian should think twice about any position that is said to be "... recent, complex, and increasingly controversial...". New theologies should pique our ears immediately. Unabashed claims of newness should do so twice over. The same is true of " controversial." Why would any Christian even want something new, complex, and controversial? Isn't scripture enough  ? More importantly, DPism is quite literally an invention of one man, John Darby. Everyone, even the DPists themselves, agree on this point; they are working from the beliefs on one individual. It's controversial for real and valid reasons. |
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Post by eternallygrateful on Dec 30, 2022 9:59:04 GMT -8
dispensational premil is wrong in its assumptions according to this chart..
I would correct it.
1. we believe there will be christians in the trib who will suffer greatly. many will be martyred. in fact. We here the cries of those who were killed for their faith in Rev during this time
2. modern Israel is not relevent per say. this iteration could be wiped out again. and a new one formed centuries from now. we do not know the date or the hour
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Post by civic on Dec 30, 2022 11:23:41 GMT -8
What is you view? Looks like I'm a Dispensational Premillennialism kind of guy and didn't even know it. But I have good company: Familiar contemporary proponents of Dispensationalism include Jonathan Cahn, William Criswell, Norman Geisler, Dave Hunt, Thomas Ice, John Hagee, David Jeremiah, Tim LaHaye, Hal Lindsey, John MacArthur, Joel Rosenberg, Charles Ryrie, Chuck Smith, Charles Swindoll, Jack Van Impe, and John Walvoord. From Come Let Us ReasonI am and I know it  . My eschatology lines up with MacArthurs but I'm not dogmatic about pre, mid, post amil etc....... The most important thing is His 2nd Coming and for believers to be ready for His Imminent Return for He will come at an hour/time we least expect. His 2nd Coming is most important , not the details where all the unfruitful debates take place. That is my 2 cents fwiw. |
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Post by Parker on Dec 31, 2022 8:02:31 GMT -8
What is you view? Looks like I'm a Dispensational Premillennialism kind of guy and didn't even know it. But I have good company: Familiar contemporary proponents of Dispensationalism include Jonathan Cahn, William Criswell, Norman Geisler, Dave Hunt, Thomas Ice, John Hagee, David Jeremiah, Tim LaHaye, Hal Lindsey, John MacArthur, Joel Rosenberg, Charles Ryrie, Chuck Smith, Charles Swindoll, Jack Van Impe, and John Walvoord. From Come Let Us ReasonI am and I know it . My eschatology lines up with MacArthurs but I'm not dogmatic about pre, mid, post amil etc....... The most important thing is His 2nd Coming and for believers to be ready for His Imminent Return for He will come at an hour/time we least expect. His 2nd Coming is most important , not the details where all the unfruitful debates take place. That is my 2 cents fwiw. Whether or not you believe in a pre-Tribulation Rapture will not affect where you’ll ultimately end up. If you’re a believer, you’ll be in heaven no matter what position you hold. But your viewpoint concerning the Rapture very definitely affects how you live your life this side of eternity. If you do not believe in a pre-Tribulation Rapture, you cannot look for Jesus Christ because, according to your eschatological viewpoint, Antichrist must appear first. Therefore, you find yourself scanning the news, checking out current events, watching the global scene for Antichrist rather than for Jesus. And this puts believers in a “survivalist” mentality. “We’re going through the Tribulation,” they say. “We better get ready.” But is this what Jesus meant? Does He want us storing up gold and guns living a bunker? Or does He want us living every day in love and hopeful anticipation that today could be the day we go to heaven? “I want you looking for Jesus every day,” John said, “because he who has the hope of the imminent, sudden appearing of Christ and the Rapture of the church purifies himself” 1 John 3:3. That is why I believe for some of us our view on the Rapture is of utmost importance. Live in constant expectancy of Jesus’ return, gang. Be watching and be ready. |
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? More importantly, DPism is quite literally an invention of one man, John Darby. Everyone, even the DPists themselves, agree on this point; they are working from the beliefs on one individual. It's controversial for real and valid reasons.
. My eschatology lines up with MacArthurs but I'm not dogmatic about pre, mid, post amil etc....... The most important thing is His 2nd Coming and for believers to be ready for His Imminent Return for He will come at an hour/time we least expect. His 2nd Coming is most important , not the details where all the unfruitful debates take place. That is my 2 cents fwiw.