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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 28, 2022 14:32:07 GMT -8
Lordship salvation is the evidence of a regenerate life.
According to Paul , the evidence of a Regenerate Life would be the This——“ Nobody can say ‘ Jesus is Lord’ without having the Holy Spirit in them”......” Lord” meaning “ God in the Flesh, the Creator Of The Universe......
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Post by civic on Sept 28, 2022 15:17:32 GMT -8
Bible Highlighter I would say that's that sensible way to look at lordship salvation rather than carry things to the extreme one way or the other. I see the unwillingness to accept lordship salvation stems from a lack of self-control. “A man without self-control is like a city broken into and left without walls” (Proverbs 25:28). In biblical times, a city’s walls were its chief means of defense. If the walls were breached, an invading army could pour into the city and conquer it. We recall from the account of the fall of Jericho that God caused its walls to collapse so that the army of Israel could easily move in and take the city (Joshua 6:1-5, 20). In the same way that a city without walls was vulnerable to an invading army, so a person without self-control is vulnerable to all kinds of temptations. Unfortunately, Solomon, who wrote those words in Proverbs 25:28, is a sad but striking demonstration of his own words. The Scriptures record that Solomon had seven hundred wives and three hundred concubines, all from nations concerning which the Lord had said to the people of Israel that they should not take wives (1 Kings 11:1-3). But Solomon gave free rein to his passions and totally disregarded God’s prohibition. As the wealthiest potentate of that era, Solomon had access to all he might desire. But instead of exercising self-control, he disregarded his own words of wisdom and let his passions run out of control. Solomon paid a heavy price for his lack of self-control. His wives turned his heart away from God. Because of that, God divided Solomon’s kingdom in the days of his son Rehoboam, and the Davidic dynasty was crippled from that time forward. By the way I know some friends of yours, "Circle" and "Underline". No Lordship salvation does not exist, it`s the same thing as saying somebody isn`t saved. My thought is that somebody who accepts that label doesn`t understand what it is really saying. A saved person is blood bought and is the property of Jesus Christ. Jesus is Lord and Savior . So when one is saved Jesus is their Lord which one must confess / agree with to be saved as per Romans 10:9-13. No Lord, no salvation. Lord means He rules one’s life . Think of the Master / slave relations- we are slaves of Christ which is a biblical term . hope this helps !!! |
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Post by Obadiah on Sept 28, 2022 16:01:29 GMT -8
Lordship salvation is the evidence of a regenerate life. According to Paul , the evidence of a Regenerate Life would be the This——“ Nobody can say ‘ Jesus is Lord’ without having the Holy Spirit in them”......” Lord” meaning “ God in the Flesh, the Creator Of The Universe...... I see a relationship of God’s word to his lordship: God’s word is his powerful, authoritative self-expression. The power corresponds to the lordship attribute of control; authoritative corresponds to the lordship attribute of authority; and self-expression to the attribute of presence. Think of how God created the world in Genesis 1: he created it by speaking, by his word. Psalm 33:6–9 tells us: By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, and by the breath of his mouth all their host. He gathers the waters of the sea as a heap; he puts the deeps in storehouses. Let all the earth fear the LORD; let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him! For he spoke, and it came to be; he commanded, and it stood firm. (vv. 6–9) The same is true of providence. How does God control the weather and the seasons? By speaking, by his word: He sends out his command to the earth; his word runs swiftly. He gives snow like wool; he scatters hoarfrost like ashes. He hurls down his crystals of ice like crumbs; who can stand before his cold? He sends out his word, and melts them; he makes his wind blow and the waters flow. (Ps. 147:15–18) Thats who I want for the Lord of my life! |
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 29, 2022 3:26:01 GMT -8
Jesus is Lord and Savior . So when one is saved Jesus is their Lord which one must confess / agree with to be saved as per Romans 10:9-13. No Lord, no salvation. Lord means He rules one’s life . Think of the Master / slave relations- we are slaves of Christ which is a biblical term
A “Saved” Man Believes That Jesus is “ Lord” , meaning “God in the Flesh”—- it’s Mandatory for Salvation.......A “Wise” man will move on from that Truth and make Jesus “ Lord Of His Life” as He comes to acknowledge that God is a lot smarter than he is and that God, if granted permission, can do a better job of running a person’s life than he can on his own.......It’s a sign of Wisdom and Spiritual Growth—— it has NOTHING to do with Salvation.......Salvation is dependent on Simply Believing That Jesus Died for your Sins and rose from the grave—— go beyond that for Salvation and you are teaching a False Gospel.....Allow Jesus to be your Lord or “ Boss” ( another definition of that word) to be smart....NOT to get Saved or Stay Saved....
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Post by Bible Highlighter on Oct 1, 2022 21:46:43 GMT -8
Sorry for my late reply.
I am still getting used to this forum and it's notification system.
I just discovered now the notifications feature and that others replied to me, etcetera.
As for Solomon: Yes, very true words. I agree. Well, said.
As for Circle and Underline:
Hmmm, I not sure who they are unless they went by another alias I was familiar with before.
If they know me, then I would be a little embarrassed to say that I don't know them.
It's possible that I they have talked with me on another forum on another Bible discussion and their username was not one that stuck with me (Because it was a brief discussion or something).
I talked at Christian Forums for a long time.
I also started to recently talk at ChristianityBoard.com
I have talked on two other Christian forums but I went under another username.
Circle, highlight and underline. It's what a lot of people do with their Bibles. My comment was an attempt at humor that fell flat. I hope to hear you talk more on this form.
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Post by Bible Highlighter on Oct 1, 2022 21:57:52 GMT -8
I remember you from the other forums, BloodBought. We have discussed this many times before using the Bible. I wish things were as easy as you say. I really do. But it simply is not the truth when we look at the whole counsel of God's Word. You cannot in good conscience keep changing the Bible on many verses that appear to teach that we must obey as a part of the faith to enter the Kingdom. Again, here are...Works For Salvation Verses (After We are Saved By God’s Grace): - “Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.” (James 2:24).
- “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.” (James 2:17).
- 10 “For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.” (Titus 1:10, and Titus 1:16).
- “And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.” (Luke 10:25-28).
- “And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:29).
“For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:21-22). - “Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee ? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee ? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.” (Matthew 25:34-46).
- “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:10).
- “Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.” (Matthew 7:24-27).
- “I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.” (John 15:5-6).
- “And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.” (1 Peter 4:18-19).
- “Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:” (Hebrews 12:14).
- “And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.” (Matthew 3:10).
“He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” (1 John 2:4). - “If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing,…” (1 Timothy 6:3-4).
I say this not really for your benefit (because I believe you have seen these verses before), but I say them for those who may come across this thread looking for truth. I know that those who are truly seeking truth and they are desiring to believe the Bible plainly will accept what these above verses say plainly. May God's love shine upon you today. Thanks for sharing the above . I know you always provide plenty of scripture to support your beliefs. |
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Post by civic on Oct 2, 2022 5:59:25 GMT -8
Thanks for sharing the above . I know you always provide plenty of scripture to support your beliefs. And you are very good and thorough with Gods word. Keep up the good job sharing His truth !!! |
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Post by genez on Oct 2, 2022 7:49:00 GMT -8
Problem happens,,,, when believers live in what they think is a totally surrendered life. To teachings that are designed to appeal to their natural view of Christ. It becomes fanaticism in the name of Lordship Christianity.
Jesus is Lord even when a believer does not make Him lord. Jesus is Lord when unbelievers reject Him.
If you do not make Jesus Lord of your life? He remains Lord over all. For, the consequences for not submitting to His authority from *sound* doctrine are the welts coming from His Lordship.
He is always Lord. Not only when we make Him Lord.
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Post by rockson on Oct 2, 2022 14:39:54 GMT -8
I've been listening to Bible teacher Steve Gregg on the Lordship theme. Not sure I agree with him on every Bible teaching he has but he has opened my eyes to some important crucial things. One might like to hear his lecture series on the Kingdom of God plus a few others. www.thenarrowpath.com/topical_lectures.php#Kingdom_of_GodYou'll see the series Kingdom of God on that list...eight lectures. Jesus is Lord correct. He starts with Jesus must be accepted as KING and LORD perhaps the same thing but Jesus is the King of Kings and that in the Book of Acts they went forth preaching the Kingdom of God. That's how they went forth preaching the gospel " And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commanded all men everywhere to repent: 31Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead." Acts 17:30 In other words Jesus Christ IS the supreme authority of the universe, and you better submit to him. He will be and is the judge and one better have a high respect for that truth in a way that you make sure you bring your life into compliance with his will. It's none of this well maybe I will maybe I won't I'll see how much I want to give God of my life. One should keep themselves OFF the thin ice and build one's life on the ROCK. Building on the ROCK isn't as we might say just mentally appreciating Jesus and calling that LOVE. Building on the rock according to Jesus is DOING the word of God and not just being a hearer. We all do know what happens to the one who build his life on the sand. God wants us to think of him as King, Lord, Saviour, (Abba) Father, the one who sticks closer than a brother, a friend and one who loves us intensely, our Comforter our PEACE but we better have first things first. He needs to be thought of as KING. Really the one thing which should be considered the MOST important thing of our lives is to hear, "Well done good and faithful servant!" I think if we keep our minds and sprits focused on that we'll find ourselves and our priorities always in the place they should be. How could they not be? |
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Post by TedT on Nov 3, 2022 11:06:03 GMT -8
If you wonder if you are ready to take up your cross, consider these questions: • Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means losing some of your closest friends? • Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means alienation from your family? In light of the meaning inherent in the following verses losing and alienation are pretty weak words: Matthew 10:36 and the enemies of the man are his own household.' ... defined in light of Joshua 6:21 At the edge of the sword they devoted to destruction everything in the city—man and woman, young and old, oxen, sheep, and donkeys.Joshua 10:28 On that day Joshua captured Makkedah and put it to the sword, along with its king. He devoted to destruction everyone in the city, leaving no survivors. ie, from Grannies to the newest born... This is the meaning of come out from among them (in your heart) and touch not their idolatry because they are slated to destruction. The time of the harvest, Matthew 13:27-30, is the time when we are become holy enough to have all of GOD's enemies (men, women and children, even the ones that look like little wee babies!) “killed”, that is, judged and forever exiled to hell. But don't worry, those who are saved will be so fed up with anger at the suffering these reprobate have caused the whole earth that they will be glad to see the last of them, glad to put their faith in GOD's judgement being righteous, and they will stand with HIM in perfect, joyful, accord as Malachi predicts: Malachi 4:2 But for you who fear My name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings, and you will go out and frolic like calves from the stall, 3 [when] you will trample the wicked, for they will be as ashes under the soles of your feet on the day I am preparing, says the LORD of Hosts.
It is the sinful elect, the ones who can be redeemed but who not not think the evil of the non-believers (who are their children, friends and neighbours and fellow countrymen) are enough to judge them forever to hell that keeps us in this wilderness, out of the Promised Land. Only when our attitude to the judgement expresses the joy of Malachi 4:2, the image that makes the so called holy church cringe with embarrassment and horror, will we ever be free of this world and its suffering. The image of being gathered into our LORD's barn while the tares are gathered and burnt is filled out and the full emotional experience of that event is given in this small verse from Malachi. |
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Post by slyzr on Nov 14, 2022 17:04:03 GMT -8
Problem happens,,,, when believers live in what they think is a totally surrendered life. To teachings that are designed to appeal to their natural view of Christ. It becomes fanaticism in the name of Lordship Christianity. Jesus is Lord even when a believer does not make Him lord. Jesus is Lord when unbelievers reject Him. If you do not make Jesus Lord of your life? He remains Lord over all. For, the consequences for not submitting to His authority from *sound* doctrine are the welts coming from His Lordship. He is always Lord. Not only when we make Him Lord. Seems kind of mean. Jesus took the whip, and sufferd to do the same to us. |
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Post by slyzr on Nov 14, 2022 17:50:01 GMT -8
No Lordship salvation does not exist, it`s the same thing as saying somebody isn`t saved. My thought is that somebody who accepts that label doesn`t understand what it is really saying. A saved person is blood bought and is the property of Jesus Christ. Jesus is Lord and Savior . So when one is saved Jesus is their Lord which one must confess / agree with to be saved as per Romans 10:9-13. No Lord, no salvation. Lord means He rules one’s life . Think of the Master / slave relations- we are slaves of Christ which is a biblical term . hope this helps !!! Being is dead then. If Jesus died for us not to be. No greater love has one then to lay down thier life for their friends. This a Jewish argument against Christinity. If one dies to put their friends in bondgae to not be. That is not really laying down their life for their friends. Kind of like Jesus died for no one to ever be. That is Jewish argument against Christianity. |
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Post by slyzr on Nov 15, 2022 13:05:13 GMT -8
Problem happens,,,, when believers live in what they think is a totally surrendered life. To teachings that are designed to appeal to their natural view of Christ. It becomes fanaticism in the name of Lordship Christianity. Jesus is Lord even when a believer does not make Him lord. Jesus is Lord when unbelievers reject Him. If you do not make Jesus Lord of your life? He remains Lord over all. For, the consequences for not submitting to His authority from *sound* doctrine are the welts coming from His Lordship. He is always Lord. Not only when we make Him Lord. Did Jesus die to make his friends his servants? No greater love has one then they lay down their life for their friends. Not lay down their life to put their friends in chains. |
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Post by civic on Nov 15, 2022 13:12:03 GMT -8
Problem happens,,,, when believers live in what they think is a totally surrendered life. To teachings that are designed to appeal to their natural view of Christ. It becomes fanaticism in the name of Lordship Christianity. Jesus is Lord even when a believer does not make Him lord. Jesus is Lord when unbelievers reject Him. If you do not make Jesus Lord of your life? He remains Lord over all. For, the consequences for not submitting to His authority from *sound* doctrine are the welts coming from His Lordship. He is always Lord. Not only when we make Him Lord. Did Jesus die to make his friends his servants? No greater love has one then they lay down their life for their friends. Not lay down their life to put their friends in chains. He came to set the captives free . And only those who are sick need a physician. |
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Post by slyzr on Nov 15, 2022 13:38:48 GMT -8
Did Jesus die to make his friends his servants? No greater love has one then they lay down their life for their friends. Not lay down their life to put their friends in chains. He came to set the captives free . And only those who are sick need a physician. And those seeking to make us sick, for the same? |
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