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Post by Theophilus on Sept 29, 2022 14:59:56 GMT -8
What is not thought through and understood by many today? The fallen angels were caught in a highly frustrating dilemma. A humiliating one. They had uncontrollable desires. For they were alienated from God's grace. God's angels are comforted and strengthened by God's grace. As witnessed to in Genesis 6, the fallen LONGED for women. Women that they were not allowed to touch after Noah's flood. Since they live in delusion and ego mania.... and in unfathomable pride, they are hyper sensitive to any criticism of what losers they are. They refuse to admit their loss because of following Satan's promises. Instead, to prove that they do not need God? And, will always be proven self sufficient without God's provisions? Certain of the fallen angels found themselves enthralled with the female human. They adored them so much that they took note and studied their actions and mannerisms... So much so? That some acted them out out of admiration. Then, one thing led to another. Some began dressing and moving like the women they adored. The first drag queens were fallen angels! The other fallen angels took notice of the counterfeit females among their number. They agreed to play make believe and form their own relationships to show God that they did not need His provision, that they will make what they need for themselves. Its all denial after denial. Homosexuals and lesbians are the fallen angel's proving ground, and with them the fallen angels want to inspire the gay community to show the world that they are just as happy and well off as normal people... It will end when the Lord returns. Until then? A little insight will help stabilize doctrinal believers who must endure the insanity while it is allowed to continue. This stuff is real, I read it on the internet. LEARNING TO BEWARE OF FALLEN ANGELS IN FEMALE DISGUISE I. THERE ARE SOME INCREDIBLE FACTS WE WILL DISCOVER ABOUT FEMALE ANGELS. They are not really female but disguised as females to better represent their hatred for the masculinity of the Heavenly Father. We must learn that fallen angels still possess the great powers they possessed before they rebelled against God. Angels that have fallen from their pure state in which they were created can manifest in many ways. They can manifest as or in animals, male persons, female persons, inanimate objects, books, storms in weather patterns, houses dedicated to their activities, and even over nations like Haiti. A. Fallen angels appear to almost always demonstrate an effeminate nature. “And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.” (Romans 1:23-25) (Corruptible: To deprave, defile and destroy) B. The female masquerade of fallen angels delight in showing their hatred of the Fatherhood of God. They repulse the Father’s authority and masculine character. They are clearly deceptive, occultic and depraved. C. The female nature of these demons is to corrupt everything and change or twist every form that God has created. * Homosexuality is a twisted form of manhood. * Lesbianism is a twisted form of womanhood. “And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers…” (Romans 1:27-29) D. These fallen angels twist the created nature of themselves and do so to change our view of angels from a masculine view of great authority. They want men to see the world of angels as wimpy creatures, giddy and silly. 2. The Word of God provides a perfect example of evil angels in feminine disguise. Here are three such distortions preparing for the powers behind the coming “New World Order.” “Then the angel that talked with me went forth, and said unto me, Lift up now thine eyes, and see what is this that goeth forth. And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth. And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah. And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof. Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.” (Zechariah 5:5-9) The city that is their destination is ancient Babylon or the Land of Shinar. The Economic System (fallen angel in the ephah) is carried by the first fallen angel controlling the “One World Religion,” and a second fallen angel controlling the “One World Political Order.” 3. Goddesses are unquestionably fallen angels. Here is a description of Sophia and Gaia: A. Sophia: Worshipped By Many Americans and Churches: A Leader in the Deception By Fallen Angels: Who is Sophia? Literally she is Wisdom, because the Greek word Sophia means “wisdom” in English. More than that, Sophia is the Wisdom of Deity. She has been revered as the Wise Bride of Solomon by Jews, as the Queen of Wisdom and War (Athena) by Greeks, and as the Holy Spirit of Wisdom by Christians. She is known as Chomah (pronounced HOK-man with the H being said like-ch in the name Bach) in Hebrew, and Sapientia in Latin. Sophia is found throughout the wisdom books of the Bible. There are many references to her in the book of Proverbs, and in the apocryphal books of Sirach and the Wisdom of Solomon (accepted by Catholics and Orthodox, found in the Greek Septuagint of the early Church.) She is Wisdom Incarnate, the Goddess of all those who are wise. B. Gaia: Called the mother of the Gods Loved By the Deceived New Agers: Great Mother of the Gods, in ancient Middle Eastern religion (and later Greece, Rome, and W. Asia), mother goddess, the great symbol of the earth’s fertility. As the creative force in nature she was worshipped under many names, including Astarte (Syria), Ceres (Rome), Cybele (Phrygia), Demeter (Greece), Ishtar (Babylon), and Isis (Egypt). The later forms of her cult involved the worship of a male deity (her son or lover, e.g., Adonis, Osiris), whose death and resurrection symbolized the regenerative power of the earth. Gaea, in Greek mythology, the earth; daughter of Chaos, mother and wife of both Uranus (the sky) and Pontus (the sea.) She was mother, by Uranus, of the Cyclopes, the Titans, and others, and, by Pontus, of five sea deities. She helped cause the overthrow of Uranus by the Titans and was worshipped as the primal goddess, the mother of all things. 4. New contemporary music has a dominant femininity in both the lyrics and the beat. To the strong and Godly men and women it sounds like sissified music. The dominant theme of past musical sound and theology was masculine and authoritative. 5. The facial and body makeup, and the jewelry of this last generation has gone far beyond beauty and natural appearance and has taken on a goddess like character.
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Post by genez on Sept 29, 2022 20:01:07 GMT -8
.........................Vines Expository Dictionary.......................................
1 Angelos
"a messenger" (from angello, "to deliver a message"), sent whether by God or by man or by Satan,
"is also used of a guardian or representative in Re. 1:20, cp. Mt. 18:10; Ac. 12:15 (where it is better
understood as = 'ghost'), superior to man, Heb. 2:7; Ps. . 8:5, belonging to Heaven, Mt. 24:36; Mr. 12:25,
and to God, Lu. 12:8, and engaged in His service, Ps. . 103:20. "Angels" are spirits, Heb. 1:14, i.e., they
have not material bodies as men have; they are either human in form, or can assume the human form
when necessary, cp. Lu. 24:4, with Lu. 24:23, Ac. 10:3 with Ac. 10:30. "They are called 'holy' in Mr. 8:38,
and 'elect,' 1Ti. 5:21, in contrast with some of their original number, Mt. 25:41, who 'sinned,' 2Pe. 2:4,
'left their proper habitation,' Jude. 1:6, oiketerion, a word which occurs again, in the NT, only in 2Co. 5:2.
Note! Angels are always spoken of in the masculine gender, the feminine form of the word does not occur."*
[* From Notes on Thessalonians, by Hogg and Vine, p. 229.] Note: Isangelos, "equal to the angels," occurs in Lu. 20:36."
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Post by TedT on Nov 17, 2022 11:41:10 GMT -8
Why were those angels able to procreate? Why?
What went wrong that left the angels without God providing for them their own female counterpart like God had for Adam?
grace and peace ........
ImCo: Your confusion may arise from accepting the current favourite definition of angel as a type or race of beings rather than that which it really is, their job description of messenger. Angels of heaven are just spirits, ie, people without bodies. There are three basic types of spirits: the holy elect spirits, the sinful elect spirits and the demonic reprobate spirits. The sinful spirits are sown into earthly bodies as per Matthew 13:36-39, the EXPLANATION of the parable of the weeds.
Matt 13:36-39: 36 Then Jesus dismissed the crowds and went into the house. His disciples came to Him and said, “EXPLAIN to us the parable of the weeds in the field.”
37 He replied, “The One who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38The field is the world, and the good seed represents the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil.ie, the sinful people of the kingdom (ie, sinful elect) are sown into this world by the Son of Man whereas the demonic people of the evil one are sown into this world (as GOD directs) by the devil.
The reason HE does this is found in Matt 13:29-30: to call the judgement before the sinful good seed are perfectly holy might damn them also so HE has us to live together so we can learn from the reprobate the true nature of evil as eternal and therefore the absolute necessity of an eternal hell so to become perfect in sanctification and fully trained in righteousness, Heb 12:5-11.
And in response to your confusion: once these demons are situated in human bodies, their ability to procreate is established and all mingling of them with the sinful but elect good seed are the fault of the good seed not being obedient to the command to come out from among them and touch not their uncean idolatry...2 Corinthians 6:17.
grace and peace to you too...
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Post by TedT on Nov 17, 2022 11:56:51 GMT -8
LEARNING TO BEWARE OF FALLEN ANGELS IN FEMALE DISGUISE I. THERE ARE SOME INCREDIBLE FACTS WE WILL DISCOVER ABOUT FEMALE ANGELS. They are not really female but disguised as females to better represent their hatred for the masculinity of the Heavenly Father. Matt 13:36-39 contends these evil angels are not FAKE females (or males) but are real people, real humans, inhabited by, imbued with, reprobate spirits at the conception of their human bodies... which is not only scriptural but way more logical though less magical.
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Post by genez on Nov 17, 2022 17:01:56 GMT -8
Wrong. Angels have bodies that they can choose to dematerialize or materialize.
"Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it." Hebrews 13:2
Look! In Genesis 18 we see Abraham greeting three men. They sat down and and ate human food. No body? It was only later that we discover that the two of the three alleged men went to Sodom and were revealed as really being angels. They looked like men.
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Post by makesends on Nov 17, 2022 19:56:01 GMT -8
What is hidden in Genesis 6:1-2 that took place before Noah's flood?
It says that angels were having mutant children with human woman.
Some disagree. Others knowing the Hebrew, are forced to that conclusion.
But, there is a question that seems never to be asked.
Why were those angels able to procreate? Why?
What went wrong that left the angels without God providing for them their own female counterpart like God had for Adam?
grace and peace ........
You say some disagree. Disagree about what? That it is talking about angels? Or something else? It doesn't say angels. In fact, the incongruities your questions demonstrate are a good reason to think it was not talking about angels.
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Post by genez on Nov 17, 2022 20:57:20 GMT -8
Job 38:4-7 tells us what? “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
There were no men yet created when God created planet earth.
It was not men who were not shouting for joy as they watched the earth being brought into being.
The morning stars were the light bearing angels. Lucifer means light bearer.
Genesis 6 speaks of 'sons of God' took women of men.
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair..."
Why distinguish the women as being human?
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Post by genez on Nov 18, 2022 9:28:30 GMT -8
You say some disagree. Disagree about what? That it is talking about angels? Or something else? It doesn't say angels. In fact, the incongruities your questions demonstrate are a good reason to think it was not talking about angels. Angels were called sons of God in the Hebrew of the Old Testament.
The disagreement? Some can not wrap their mind around the fact that angels can easily appear in human form. They had done so in Genesis 18, where they were first seen as "men."
And, as I showed in Job 38:7 revealing the sons of God as one class of angel, different from the light bearing morning stars.
"When the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"
Not to mention even the Church has been told in Hebrews 13:2 that we can think its men when its angels in our presence.
"Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by so doing some have unwittingly entertained angels."
We have to learn these truths in order to better understand the plan of God for our lives.
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Post by TedT on Nov 18, 2022 11:46:31 GMT -8
Wrong. Angels have bodies that they can choose to dematerialize or materialize. ... I agree they have spirit bodies or can appear as material but they do not "have" (so to speak) human or physical bodies until they are sown into this world by a human conception, sown here by Christ or the devil, Matt 13:36-39.
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Post by genez on Nov 18, 2022 15:26:24 GMT -8
Wrong. Angels have bodies that they can choose to dematerialize or materialize. ... I agree they have spirit bodies or can appear as material but they do not "have" (so to speak) human or physical bodies until they are sown into this world by a human conception, sown here by Christ or the devil, Matt 13:36-39. Jesus after the resurrection had to convince Thomas he was not a spirit... And, to get his disciples to snap out of their shock he needed to break bread and eat to prove he was not as you claim angels to be when they materialize. Angels when materialized have real bodies. We can not dematerialize. Angels can. If they were not having real bodies, the angel would not have been able to lift the heavy stone away from Jesus' tomb to let others in.... And, if the angels would have only appeared to be physical, in Genesis 18? They would have left the food uneaten. Instead, we read.... "So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah. “Quick,” he said, “get three seahs of the finest flour and knead it and bake some bread.” Then he ran to the herd and selected a choice, tender calf and gave it to a servant, who hurried to prepare it. He then brought some curds and milk and the calf that had been prepared, and set these before them. While they ate, he stood near them under a tree." Genesis 18:6-7 God wants us to know these truths. To learn them, so we can stop speculating subjectively and realize that angels when materialized have real physical manifestations. We are not supposed to figure it out. Its by faith we are to accept it. After all? The manna in the wilderness that fell down from heaven was the food of angels. Food eaten by both men and angels. He rained down manna for the people to eat, he gave them the grain of heaven. Human beings ate the bread of angels;
he sent them all the food they could eat." Psalm 78:24-25 In contrast to God's angels? .. As punishment, fallen angels have been denied physical bodies. Its one reason they crave to possess a body. Even if it be a body of a pig. grace and peace ........
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2022 16:30:02 GMT -8
It [the Bible] says that angels were having mutant children with human woman.
Some disagree. Others knowing the Hebrew, are forced to that conclusion.
Is that what the Bible actually says? Or is that an interpretation to which some subscribe? Presumably this op is based Genesis 6's opening verses. Genesis 6:1-4 Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless, his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.Why is it assumed " the sons of God" mentioned in verse 2 are angels? We know only humans are made in the image of God, male and female. We know scripture uses the masculine pronoun in reference to angels but we also know that is the default for the Hebrew language regardless of sexual identity and we know that language is used in reference to God, but God is not specifically male (or female). We also know, according to Jesus, we will be like the angels on the other side of our resurrection specifically in regard to the fact angels are not given in marriage (Mt. 22:30; Mk. 12:25). The Hebrew for "sons of God" in verse 2 is "ben elohim," ( bene haelohim), which can be diversely translated as literal "sons of God," or "house of God," or "descendants of gods," and not necessarily "angels," or "supernatural beings," We also no there is no fellowship with between darkness and light, so if we're going to translate this angels siring progeny with humans it necessarily means fallen angels or demons siring children with sinfully dead and enslaved humans, not godly people. This brings up a variety of problems because according to Jude 1 the angels who did not keep their proper abode have been held on bondage of eternal darkness until the day of judgment. How then did those held in bondage get sufficiently free to physically copulate with humans? What evidence is there in scripture angels have penises? The term " elohim" is used quite diversely in scripture and it quite often refers to ordinary humans (Ps. 82:6; Jn. 10:14). At the end of Genesis 4 we read, " To Seth also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. Then people began to call upon the name of the LORD," indicating a change occurred at the time of Enosh's life: people began to call upon God's name. What were they doing before then? Did no one call upon God's name prior to the birth of Enosh? According to Romans 9:8, " it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants." If Romans 9:8 is true then Genesis 6:2 should be read to say, " Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the [the children of the promise] saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose." And that is an entirely different thing than to assume the " sons of God" are sinful rebellious angels who'd been cast out of heaven, escaping their bondage long enough to breed with humans and sire hybrids. That's quite and inter-species mongrel being asserted with that interpretation. Why, given all else that scripture plainly states about God, angels, and humans (and I have only sampled those scriptures), should we interpret the mention of " sons of God" in Genesis 6:2 as " fallen angels," or " demons"? What's the exegesis justifying that rendering? Just asking
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Post by makesends on Nov 18, 2022 18:08:21 GMT -8
It [the Bible] says that angels were having mutant children with human woman.
Some disagree. Others knowing the Hebrew, are forced to that conclusion.
Is that what the Bible actually says? Or is that an interpretation to which some subscribe? Presumably this op is based Genesis 6's opening verses. Genesis 6:1-4 Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless, his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.Why is it assumed " the sons of God" mentioned in verse 2 are angels? We know only humans are made in the image of God, male and female. We know scripture uses the masculine pronoun in reference to angels but we also know that is the default for the Hebrew language regardless of sexual identity and we know that language is used in reference to God, but God is not specifically male (or female). We also know, according to Jesus, we will be like the angels on the other side of our resurrection specifically in regard to the fact angels are not given in marriage (Mt. 22:30; Mk. 12:25). The Hebrew for "sons of God" in verse 2 is "ben elohim," ( bene haelohim), which can be diversely translated as literal "sons of God," or "house of God," or "descendants of gods," and not necessarily "angels," or "supernatural beings," We also no there is no fellowship with between darkness and light, so if we're going to translate this angels siring progeny with humans it necessarily means fallen angels or demons siring children with sinfully dead and enslaved humans, not godly people. This brings up a variety of problems because according to Jude 1 the angels who did not keep their proper abode have been held on bondage of eternal darkness until the day of judgment. How then did those held in bondage get sufficiently free to physically copulate with humans? What evidence is there in scripture angels have penises? The term " elohim" is used quite diversely in scripture and it quite often refers to ordinary humans (Ps. 82:6; Jn. 10:14). At the end of Genesis 4 we read, " To Seth also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. Then people began to call upon the name of the LORD," indicating a change occurred at the time of Enosh's life: people began to call upon God's name. What were they doing before then? Did no one call upon God's name prior to the birth of Enosh? According to Romans 9:8, " it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants." If Romans 9:8 is true then Genesis 6:2 should be read to say, " Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the [the children of the promise] saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose." And that is an entirely different thing than to assume the " sons of God" are sinful rebellious angels who'd been cast out of heaven, escaping their bondage long enough to breed with humans and sire hybrids. That's quite and inter-species mongrel being asserted with that interpretation. Why, given all else that scripture plainly states about God, angels, and humans (and I have only sampled those scriptures), should we interpret the mention of " sons of God" in Genesis 6:2 as " fallen angels," or " demons"? What's the exegesis justifying that rendering? Just asking The onus is honest, but to be honest the onus was on me to answer Genez, so I'm glad you took the onus on you. You did a much better job of it than I could. My view of the matter comes from the fact I have no sure way to know which it is, so I preach cynicism! One reason you didn't really hit on, why it makes sense that it is not fallen angels is the one I like best —that humans have this strange propensity to go after the flashy, noisy, outlandish, incongruous, counter-intuitive, controversial and remarkable. They LIKE the weird idea that it could be fallen spiritual beings, perhaps gods of a sort, breeding corrupt offspring of human women. They even have the affirmation provided by the idea that the gods of ancient societies must've been invented from some kind of story. The fact that the link there is not only vague but, come to think of it, mere speculation, is not important to them. It feels fabulous, so it must be true, or at least, truer than the plain unremarkable alternative.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2022 19:32:09 GMT -8
Is that what the Bible actually says? Or is that an interpretation to which some subscribe? Presumably this op is based Genesis 6's opening verses. Genesis 6:1-4 Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless, his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.Why is it assumed " the sons of God" mentioned in verse 2 are angels? We know.......................... The onus is honest, but to be honest the onus was on me to answer Genez, so I'm glad you took the onus on you. You did a much better job of it than I could. My view of the matter comes from the fact I have no sure way to know which it is, so I preach cynicism! One reason you didn't really hit on, why it makes sense that it is not fallen angels is the one I like best —that humans have this strange propensity to go after the flashy, noisy, outlandish, incongruous, counter-intuitive, controversial and remarkable. They LIKE the weird idea that it could be fallen spiritual beings, perhaps gods of a sort, breeding corrupt offspring of human women. They even have the affirmation provided by the idea that the gods of ancient societies must've been invented from some kind of story. The fact that the link there is not only vague but, come to think of it, mere speculation, is not important to them. It feels fabulous, so it must be true, or at least, truer than the plain unremarkable alternative. Well, it certainly is sensational. Or is it sensationalistic? I just don't know from where the idea angels and humans can inter-species copulate enters in human reasoning. Shouldn't there be firm scriptural evidence for such an interpretation? How are we to reconcile the repeated references to God creating each creature to reproduce " according to their kind" (Genesis 1) with the notion angels can have sexual congress with humans a produce something different than either kind? Who are the Nephilim?Who are Genesis 6's Were the "sons of God" fallen angels?.
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Post by genez on Nov 18, 2022 22:45:21 GMT -8
so I preach cynicism!Which is not preaching at all. Its just a knee jerk response when one can not comprehend something for themself.
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Post by makesends on Nov 19, 2022 4:56:02 GMT -8
Which is not preaching at all. Its just a knee jerk response when one can not comprehend something for themself. You sound like your feelings have been hurt. Don't take yourself so seriously! I was tongue-in-cheek when I said, "I preach cynicism." It is hardly a question of whether I comprehend a thing. I comprehend just fine. I just don't find any one side of the issue to be comprehensive. The logical loop has not closed for either one.
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