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Post by slyzr on Sept 30, 2022 11:10:00 GMT -8
Does Calvinism make God a "Monster".
IMO ....... their good news is no one can be.
Thoughts.
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Post by Redeemed on Sept 30, 2022 11:39:23 GMT -8
Does Calvinism make God a "Monster". IMO ....... their good news is no one can be. Thoughts. What it be like? What exactly is it that no one can be? And as for your question, No one can make God a monster. That's an impossibility. And I'm sure no Calvinist would answer that question in the affirmative. I believe they would say that God is sovereign. Michael Horton asks and answers the question, " Does Calvinism make God a moral monster?" That's a catchy title but I think a better title would be "Does Calvinism Portray God a moral monster?" |
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Post by leatherneck0311 on Sept 30, 2022 12:06:17 GMT -8
Does Calvinism make God a "Monster". IMO ....... their good news is no one can be. Thoughts. What it be like? What exactly is it that no one can be? And as for your question, No one can make God a monster. That's an impossibility. And I'm sure no Calvinist would answer that question in the affirmative. I believe they would say that God is sovereign. Michael Horton asks and answers the question, " Does Calvinism make God a moral monster?" That's a catchy title but I think a better title would be "Does Calvinism Portray God a moral monster?" . I believe Calvinism portrays God in a way scripture doesn’t. Jesus said to come unto Him Calvinism says you can’t if you aren’t elected. 1 John 2:2 says Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world- Calvinism says nope just for the elected. Revelation 22:17 the Spirit and the Bride say “ whosoever” will come and drink of the water of life freely- Calvinism says nope only the elected. John 3:16 says for God so loved the “ world that He gave His only begotten Son for “ whosoever” believeth - Calvinism says world does not mean world and the whosoever is the elected. I will stay with scripture and continue to expose the errors of Calvinism. |
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Post by leatherneck0311 on Sept 30, 2022 12:22:25 GMT -8
Does Calvinism make God a "Monster". IMO ....... their good news is no one can be. Thoughts. What it be like? What exactly is it that no one can be? And as for your question, No one can make God a monster. That's an impossibility. And I'm sure no Calvinist would answer that question in the affirmative. I believe they would say that God is sovereign. Michael Horton asks and answers the question, " Does Calvinism make God a moral monster?" That's a catchy title but I think a better title would be "Does Calvinism Portray God a moral monster?" . I believe Calvinism portrays God in a way scripture doesn’t. Jesus said to come unto Him Calvinism says you can’t if you aren’t elected. 1 John 2:2 says Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world- Calvinism says nope just for the elected. Revelation 22:17 the Spirit and the Bride say “ whosoever” will come and drink of the water of life freely- Calvinism says nope only the elected. John 3:16 says for God so loved the “ world that He gave His only begotten Son for “ whosoever” believeth - Calvinism says world does not mean world and the whosoever is the elected. I will stay with scripture and continue to expose the errors of Calvinism. |
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Post by Parker on Sept 30, 2022 13:36:40 GMT -8
leatherneck0311 I totally agree with your post and add this. Calvinism teaches that before any humans were born, God picked out which of us would spend eternity with Him and which ones would end up in eternal conscious torment. That’s about as clear as I can make it. Calvinists will word it like this (taken from the Acts 29 doctrinal statement): God chose us (to be saved) not on the basis of foreseen faith but unconditionally, according to his sovereign good pleasure and will. If you’re up on this topic you can see some of TULIP in that statement and recognize this is the conclusion to the doctrine. In other words, if anyone ends up suffering for eternity it is because God chose him for that. This is what Calvinists mean by “predestination.” If a person accepts the Gospel and gets saved it’s because that was God’s eternal purpose for him and divinely enabled him to accept the Gospel and get saved. Without that divine intervention in his heart he would never have had faith in Christ. If he doesn’t hear the Gospel, or if he does hear it and rejects it, that’s because that was God’s eternal purpose for him. He was created for God’s good pleasure and his good pleasure is to have him or her suffer for ever and ever and ever, with no end. Ever. To sum things up, and this is the point that gets lost in all the debating about free will and losing one’s salvation: This is Why Calvinism is Wrong: It Makes God Out to be an Evil, Sadistic Monster.We could stop right here because this is all the information we need to reject this doctrine. Any doctrine that makes God out to be something that he isn’t, in fact makes God out to be the opposite of what he actually is, can be and should be rejected on that basis alone. End of debate. We can all call it a day and be done with this. Nothing more needs to be said. All we can do is pray for people that are blinded by this false Doctrine. Quite a few of us have found our way out of Calvinism.
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Post by rockson on Sept 30, 2022 21:27:25 GMT -8
leatherneck0311 I totally agree with your post and add this. Calvinism teaches that before any humans were born, God picked out which of us would spend eternity with Him and which ones would end up in eternal conscious torment. That’s about as clear as I can make it. Calvinists will word it like this (taken from the Acts 29 doctrinal statement): God chose us (to be saved) not on the basis of foreseen faith but unconditionally, according to his sovereign good pleasure and will. If you’re up on this topic you can see some of TULIP in that statement and recognize this is the conclusion to the doctrine. In other words, if anyone ends up suffering for eternity it is because God chose him for that. This is what Calvinists mean by “predestination.” If a person accepts the Gospel and gets saved it’s because that was God’s eternal purpose for him and divinely enabled him to accept the Gospel and get saved. Without that divine intervention in his heart he would never have had faith in Christ. If he doesn’t hear the Gospel, or if he does hear it and rejects it, that’s because that was God’s eternal purpose for him. He was created for God’s good pleasure and his good pleasure is to have him or her suffer for ever and ever and ever, with no end. Ever. To sum things up, and this is the point that gets lost in all the debating about free will and losing one’s salvation: This is Why Calvinism is Wrong: It Makes God Out to be an Evil, Sadistic Monster.We could stop right here because this is all the information we need to reject this doctrine. Any doctrine that makes God out to be something that he isn’t, in fact makes God out to be the opposite of what he actually is, can be and should be rejected on that basis alone. End of debate. We can all call it a day and be done with this. Nothing more needs to be said. All we can do is pray for people that are blinded by this false Doctrine. Quite a few of us have found our way out of Calvinism. About your last line....I'd say that's encouraging to know and to see take place. |
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Post by praiseyeshua on Oct 1, 2022 8:03:38 GMT -8
Does Calvinism make God a "Monster". IMO ....... their good news is no one can be. Thoughts. Yes. In my view, some Calvinists make God a "Monster". The Hyper-Calvinist position of Limited Atonement and Irresistible Grace "makes God a Monster". |
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Post by praiseyeshua on Oct 1, 2022 8:06:17 GMT -8
What it be like? What exactly is it that no one can be? And as for your question, No one can make God a monster. That's an impossibility. And I'm sure no Calvinist would answer that question in the affirmative. I believe they would say that God is sovereign. Michael Horton asks and answers the question, " Does Calvinism make God a moral monster?" That's a catchy title but I think a better title would be "Does Calvinism Portray God a moral monster?" . I believe Calvinism portrays God in a way scripture doesn’t. Jesus said to come unto Him Calvinism says you can’t if you aren’t elected. 1 John 2:2 says Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world- Calvinism says nope just for the elected. Revelation 22:17 the Spirit and the Bride say “ whosoever” will come and drink of the water of life freely- Calvinism says nope only the elected. John 3:16 says for God so loved the “ world that He gave His only begotten Son for “ whosoever” believeth - Calvinism says world does not mean world and the whosoever is the elected. I will stay with scripture and continue to expose the errors of Calvinism. As much as I've argued with you over Calvinism, this is clearly true. You're right. There is no room in preaching the Gospel to preach the Hyper-Calvinist position that not everyone can get saved. It is offensive to common decency to our fellowman. Our brothers in Adam. Our own kinmen after the flesh. Those for who Christ died. |
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Post by praiseyeshua on Oct 1, 2022 8:10:11 GMT -8
leatherneck0311 I totally agree with your post and add this. Calvinism teaches that before any humans were born, God picked out which of us would spend eternity with Him and which ones would end up in eternal conscious torment. That’s about as clear as I can make it. Calvinists will word it like this (taken from the Acts 29 doctrinal statement): God chose us (to be saved) not on the basis of foreseen faith but unconditionally, according to his sovereign good pleasure and will. If you’re up on this topic you can see some of TULIP in that statement and recognize this is the conclusion to the doctrine. In other words, if anyone ends up suffering for eternity it is because God chose him for that. This is what Calvinists mean by “predestination.” If a person accepts the Gospel and gets saved it’s because that was God’s eternal purpose for him and divinely enabled him to accept the Gospel and get saved. Without that divine intervention in his heart he would never have had faith in Christ. If he doesn’t hear the Gospel, or if he does hear it and rejects it, that’s because that was God’s eternal purpose for him. He was created for God’s good pleasure and his good pleasure is to have him or her suffer for ever and ever and ever, with no end. Ever. To sum things up, and this is the point that gets lost in all the debating about free will and losing one’s salvation: This is Why Calvinism is Wrong: It Makes God Out to be an Evil, Sadistic Monster.We could stop right here because this is all the information we need to reject this doctrine. Any doctrine that makes God out to be something that he isn’t, in fact makes God out to be the opposite of what he actually is, can be and should be rejected on that basis alone. End of debate. We can all call it a day and be done with this. Nothing more needs to be said. All we can do is pray for people that are blinded by this false Doctrine. Quite a few of us have found our way out of Calvinism. Unconditional Election is true. However, it is God's choice in Jesus Christ. Not individuals. It has always amazed me how some want to take the Glory due Jesus Christ in pretending God choose them. |
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Post by slyzr on Oct 1, 2022 12:19:00 GMT -8
leatherneck0311 I totally agree with your post and add this. Calvinism teaches that before any humans were born, God picked out which of us would spend eternity with Him and which ones would end up in eternal conscious torment. That’s about as clear as I can make it. Calvinists will word it like this (taken from the Acts 29 doctrinal statement): God chose us (to be saved) not on the basis of foreseen faith but unconditionally, according to his sovereign good pleasure and will. If you’re up on this topic you can see some of TULIP in that statement and recognize this is the conclusion to the doctrine. In other words, if anyone ends up suffering for eternity it is because God chose him for that. This is what Calvinists mean by “predestination.” If a person accepts the Gospel and gets saved it’s because that was God’s eternal purpose for him and divinely enabled him to accept the Gospel and get saved. Without that divine intervention in his heart he would never have had faith in Christ. If he doesn’t hear the Gospel, or if he does hear it and rejects it, that’s because that was God’s eternal purpose for him. He was created for God’s good pleasure and his good pleasure is to have him or her suffer for ever and ever and ever, with no end. Ever. To sum things up, and this is the point that gets lost in all the debating about free will and losing one’s salvation: This is Why Calvinism is Wrong: It Makes God Out to be an Evil, Sadistic Monster.We could stop right here because this is all the information we need to reject this doctrine. Any doctrine that makes God out to be something that he isn’t, in fact makes God out to be the opposite of what he actually is, can be and should be rejected on that basis alone. End of debate. We can all call it a day and be done with this. Nothing more needs to be said. All we can do is pray for people that are blinded by this false Doctrine. Quite a few of us have found our way out of Calvinism. Unconditional Election is true. However, it is God's choice in Jesus Christ. Not individuals. It has always amazed me how some want to take the Glory due Jesus Christ in pretending God choose them. I have no issue with that. So what if I am NOT elected? It does not mean I am not. It's this incessant repeated beating's, for NOT being elected. "Your not elected" ...... so they get to beat us into compliance? For their election, of us never to be? |
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Post by slyzr on Oct 4, 2022 18:37:04 GMT -8
leatherneck0311 I totally agree with your post and add this. Calvinism teaches that before any humans were born, God picked out which of us would spend eternity with Him and which ones would end up in eternal conscious torment. That’s about as clear as I can make it. Calvinists will word it like this (taken from the Acts 29 doctrinal statement): God chose us (to be saved) not on the basis of foreseen faith but unconditionally, according to his sovereign good pleasure and will. If you’re up on this topic you can see some of TULIP in that statement and recognize this is the conclusion to the doctrine. In other words, if anyone ends up suffering for eternity it is because God chose him for that. This is what Calvinists mean by “predestination.” If a person accepts the Gospel and gets saved it’s because that was God’s eternal purpose for him and divinely enabled him to accept the Gospel and get saved. Without that divine intervention in his heart he would never have had faith in Christ. If he doesn’t hear the Gospel, or if he does hear it and rejects it, that’s because that was God’s eternal purpose for him. He was created for God’s good pleasure and his good pleasure is to have him or her suffer for ever and ever and ever, with no end. Ever. To sum things up, and this is the point that gets lost in all the debating about free will and losing one’s salvation: This is Why Calvinism is Wrong: It Makes God Out to be an Evil, Sadistic Monster.We could stop right here because this is all the information we need to reject this doctrine. Any doctrine that makes God out to be something that he isn’t, in fact makes God out to be the opposite of what he actually is, can be and should be rejected on that basis alone. End of debate. We can all call it a day and be done with this. Nothing more needs to be said. All we can do is pray for people that are blinded by this false Doctrine. Quite a few of us have found our way out of Calvinism. Unconditional Election is true. However, it is God's choice in Jesus Christ. Not individuals. It has always amazed me how some want to take the Glory due Jesus Christ in pretending God choose them. Probably should have read your post more carefull, before replying the fist time. |
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Post by leatherneck0311 on Dec 12, 2022 12:39:59 GMT -8
Does Calvinism make God a "Monster". IMO ....... their good news is no one can be. Thoughts. What it be like? What exactly is it that no one can be? And as for your question, No one can make God a monster. That's an impossibility. And I'm sure no Calvinist would answer that question in the affirmative. I believe they would say that God is sovereign. Michael Horton asks and answers the question, " Does Calvinism make God a moral monster?" That's a catchy title but I think a better title would be "Does Calvinism Portray God a moral monster?" . YES ! |
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