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Post by genez on Oct 4, 2022 11:12:20 GMT -8
Do we believe that if we refused to preach the Gospel that some souls will not get saved?
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Post by Redeemed on Oct 4, 2022 12:14:51 GMT -8
Do we believe that if we refused to preach the Gospel that some souls will not get saved? You do know that God has commissioned you? The “Great Commission” is a title coined to describe Jesus’ final command to His followers on this earth. If one refuses to share Jesus with the lost, they may not Know Jesus and therefore have no Gospel to share. Think about it for a minute, After receiving such a great salvation you would most definitely want to share the good news. Luke 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out. I don't know about you I'm not going to let no Stone out shout me. Everyone I meet I eventually asked them... "So how are you and Jesus doing?" If you don't mind my asking, why would you ask this question? Also keep in mind One Plants, Another Waters, and God Gives the Increase. I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth anything, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase (1 Cor. 3:6-7). We are not to “glory in men” or to “think of men above that which is written,” but we are to glorify God alone for the good accomplished in the salvation of souls through the gospel of Christ (1 Cor. 3:21; 4:6). At the same time, we can be thankful for men who faithfully plant and faithfully water, and we can “consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works”
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Post by genez on Oct 4, 2022 13:37:44 GMT -8
That was not my question...
"Do we believe that if we refused to preach the Gospel that some souls will not get saved?"
Who does man's salvation depend on? If you refuse? Will not the omniscient God? Who always knew you would refuse? Provide another means for a person's salvation?
None whom God knows would believe, will perish.
God wants us to be a part of his plan. To share in his life. Yet, his plan's fulfillment does not depend upon men to do His will. It was men who refused to God's will that got Jesus to the Cross.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2022 17:51:49 GMT -8
Do we believe that if we refused to preach the Gospel that some souls will not get saved?
Hmmm... If the gospel is not preached no souls will get saved. Is that the thesis being questioned? Or is the issue our refusal? I'm inclined to say logically speaking it is true and correct to say none will be saved if the gospel is not preached but the matter isn't up to humanity; it's up to God. The gospel is God's. Salvation is God's. The God who saves, saves the sinner with God's salvation from sin. That He does so predicated upon the preaching of the gospel necessarily implies we're not in charge. The sovereignty of the almighty God necessarily means there's no divine dependency. Think of it this way: the moment God foreknew Jesus as the perfect sacrifice certain conditions and events were givens. One such condition was that at least one was going to be saved. Given Jesus is the firstborn of many, it is a subsequent given many would be saved, so if Gd's salvation is predicated upon the preaching of the gospel, the gospel was always and necessarily going to be preached. Either we did not have a choice or any choice we had was predicated first and inescapably on God's divine order.
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Post by genez on Oct 4, 2022 20:44:28 GMT -8
Do we believe that if we refused to preach the Gospel that some souls will not get saved?
Hmmm... If the gospel is not preached no souls will get saved. Look at what I said,please. I did not say if the Gospel is not preached. I said if you do not preach the Gospel will some souls not get saved.
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Post by Obadiah on Oct 5, 2022 5:14:26 GMT -8
genezHave you ever heard that saying, "That the best sermon you will ever preach is the way you live your life". That means is we should live our lives reflecting Jesus Christ to the world. Take the teachings of Jesus and incorporate them into our love walk. Then people see the gospel in action. I've heard a lot of testimonies where people have asked a saved person "What is it that's different about you? You seemed so happy and full of joy." And the answer is they have Jesus in your heart. Then the believer can lead them down the Romans Road to salvation. What is the Romans Road to salvation? The Romans Road to salvation is a method based on the biblical principles found in the New Testament book of Romans to explain how a person can come to faith in Jesus Christ. Shared with millions of people around the world, the Romans Road explains why we need salvation, how God provided salvation, how we can receive salvation, and the results of salvation. The Romans Road begins with acknowledging our human sinfulness. Romans 3:23 teaches, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." We have all done things that displease God (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:10). The Romans Road then explains the consequences of sin. Romans 6:23 teaches, "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." This refers to spiritual death and separation from God for eternity. Next the Romans Road teaches how God has provided salvation. Romans 5:8 states, "but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." While we deserve death, Jesus has offered a way of life. He alone has provided a sufficient answer to the sin and spiritual death we face. The Romans Road then teaches how we can receive salvation. Romans 10:9 says, "because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." Verse 13 adds, "For 'everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.'" Salvation is available to anyone who will turn to Jesus for eternal life (John 3:16). This occurs when we believe Jesus is Lord and that He literally came alive again from the dead. Finally, the Romans Road shares the results of salvation. Romans 5:1 declares, "Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ." The result is a relationship with God. This includes peace (Romans 8:1) and security (Romans 8:38-39).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2022 5:28:40 GMT -8
Hmmm... If the gospel is not preached no souls will get saved. Look at what I said,please. I did not say if the Gospel is not preached. I said if you do not preach the Gospel will some souls not get saved. Look at what I said, please, because I asked if the question was what you meant, and I asked if it was instead about our refusal. In other words, I asked for clarification, and my inquiries were ignored. So too were my efforts to address certain aspect in good faith. Is the statement, " If the gospel is not preached no souls will be saved," about - the conditional nature of the "if," the gospel not being preached?
- the conditional nature of salvation being predicated on preaching?
- the cause-and-effect relationship between preaching and salvation?
- an unstated hidden agenda whereby synergistic soteriology is intended to be asserted outside of the appropriate board?
The op is ambiguous. So, look at what I said, please. Just clarify it so I can understand the specific point of comment or inquiry.
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Oct 5, 2022 7:07:56 GMT -8
Do we believe that if we refused to preach the Gospel that some souls will not get saved?
Interesting question..... Paul was obsessed with an urgency to get the Gospel out....check out Romans 10:14...... “How will they Believe if they have not heard? How will they hear without a preacher?”...... God knows His sheep and not one will be unaccounted for....It does appear that we have a part to play in this and Soul- Winners will get the biggest rewards in Heaven....will some souls not get Saved if we refuse to preach the Gospel ? Not sure.....The Bible speaks of the Saved as “ Pre Destined” to be Saved, so one has to consider that....” Pre Destiny” and all of that stuff has always been above my “Pay Grade”...... Lol....I’ll leave all of those things to the many here that are smarter than me,...
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Post by genez on Oct 5, 2022 8:52:03 GMT -8
Do we believe that if we refused to preach the Gospel that some souls will not get saved?
Interesting question..... Paul was obsessed with an urgency to get the Gospel out....check out Romans 10:14...... “How will they Believe if they have not heard? How will they hear without a preacher?”...... God knows His sheep and not one will be unaccounted for....It does appear that we have a part to play in this and Soul- Winners will get the biggest rewards in Heaven....will some souls not get Saved if we refuse to preach the Gospel ? Not sure.....The Bible speaks of the Saved as “ Pre Destined” to be Saved, so one has to consider that....” Pre Destiny” and all of that stuff has always been above my “Pay Grade”...... Lol....I’ll leave all of those things to the many here that are smarter than me,... To say if a person refuses to preach the Gospel will cause some souls to go to the Lake of Fire?
Is a mockery of God. That would place salvation in the hands of men, and not God!
God is everywhere. If you do not want to preach? Its your loss. God will find someone (or something else) to make the Gospel known to open the door for someone's salvation.
In other words? We in ourselves without God are not that important. God wants us to share and be one in His thinking in the filling of the Spirit when we teach or preach. If we refuse? He will find someone else, or even some other means....
We need to pray for good teachers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2022 10:16:48 GMT -8
Do we believe that if we refused to preach the Gospel that some souls will not get saved?
Interesting question..... Paul was obsessed with an urgency to get the Gospel out....check out Romans 10:14...... “How will they Believe if they have not heard? How will they hear without a preacher?”...... God knows His sheep and not one will be unaccounted for....It does appear that we have a part to play in this and Soul- Winners will get the biggest rewards in Heaven....will some souls not get Saved if we refuse to preach the Gospel ? Not sure.....The Bible speaks of the Saved as “ Pre Destined” to be Saved, so one has to consider that....” Pre Destiny” and all of that stuff has always been above my “Pay Grade”...... Lol....I’ll leave all of those things to the many here that are smarter than me,... It is an interesting question. How do you see Paul's report in Galatians 3:8-9 playing into this? Galatian 3:8-98The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "All the nations will be blessed in you." 9So then, those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer.It's a curious comment because Paul is writing to an audience that was largely pagan in origin, not Jewish, and not pre-Jewish. Paul states the gospel was preached to Abraham. This was long before the gospel was called the " gospel" (a Roman term appropriated by the New Testament writers). Furthermore, the gospel was not preached to Abraham by another Christian. Abraham heard the gospel directly from God. Is that not relevant to the op? Does that not imply an answer to this op's inquiry? Something to the effect of, " If we do not preach the gospel God will do so Himself without us and people will still be saved." How about something stated at the end of Hebrews 11? Hebrews 11:39-4039And all these, having gained approval through their faith, did not receive what was promised, 40because God had [ab]provided something better for us, so that apart from us they would not be made perfect. After listing many of the people of faith in the Old Testament, the author states apart from us they would not be made perfect. He did NOT say, "' Apart from Christ' they would be made perfect"!!! Who is the "us"? Is the " us" the apostles? Or is the "us" the Church? Hebrews 1:1-2God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom He also made the world. The author of Hebrews juxtaposes the fathers against the " us" of " these last days," or the days in which the author and his audience were living. Apparently, those listed as men and women of faith (to at least two of whom the New Testament tells us the gospel was preached directly by God) would not be made perfect apart from us. . I don't believe that if we refused to preach the Gospel that some souls will not get saved. I do, however, believe we DO NOT refuse to preach the Gospel and we do in fact preach the Gospel, some souls will not get saved. However, in most cases, given the current circumstances in which we now live, we are to preach the Gospel and through our doing so some souls will get saved and some souls will not get saved. None of which precludes God Himself from preaching the gospel directly without us. Thoughts?
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Post by alive on Oct 5, 2022 10:46:15 GMT -8
I have often mused over the notion that hardly a soul in at least western civilization, has not been exposed to the Gospel--and in recent years, this is becoming the case all over.
I make a distinction between intellectual inquiry and 'hearing' of course. Nevertheless, the word has gone out. If nothing else, just consider the Christmas Story.
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Oct 5, 2022 15:02:29 GMT -8
I have often mused over the notion that hardly a soul in at least western civilization, has not been exposed to the Gospel--and in recent years, this is becoming the case all over. I make a distinction between intellectual inquiry and 'hearing' of course. Nevertheless, the word has gone out. If nothing else, just consider the Christmas Story. I agree.....the Gospel is everywhere —-at least in the United States....countless Radio shows and television shows....I can’t imagine anybody not nearing it at least once in their lifetimes....yet some “ Hear” but they “ DO NOT HEAR”......”The Gospel is Foolishness to those that Perish” Remember Lydia, the Seller Of Purple In Acts? It was said that God “ opened her heart” to the Reception of the Gospel....why would anybody else be different ? “ Nobody comes lest the Spirit draw him”......This stuff all ties together.....It appears the initiative for Salvation belongs to God....
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Post by alive on Oct 6, 2022 4:38:14 GMT -8
I have often mused over the notion that hardly a soul in at least western civilization, has not been exposed to the Gospel--and in recent years, this is becoming the case all over. I make a distinction between intellectual inquiry and 'hearing' of course. Nevertheless, the word has gone out. If nothing else, just consider the Christmas Story. I agree.....the Gospel is everywhere —-at least in the United States....countless Radio shows and television shows....I can’t imagine anybody not nearing it at least once in their lifetimes....yet some “ Hear” but they “ DO NOT HEAR”......”The Gospel is Foolishness to those that Perish” Remember Lydia, the Seller Of Purple In Acts? It was said that God “ opened her heart” to the Reception of the Gospel....why would anybody else be different ? “ Nobody comes lest the Spirit draw him”......This stuff all ties together.....It appears the initiative for Salvation belongs to God.... This is how I conclude my study of scripture. God does.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2022 4:59:34 GMT -8
Interesting question..... Paul was obsessed with an urgency to get the Gospel out....check out Romans 10:14...... “How will they Believe if they have not heard? How will they hear without a preacher?”...... God knows His sheep and not one will be unaccounted for....It does appear that we have a part to play in this and Soul- Winners will get the biggest rewards in Heaven....will some souls not get Saved if we refuse to preach the Gospel ? Not sure.....The Bible speaks of the Saved as “ Pre Destined” to be Saved, so one has to consider that....” Pre Destiny” and all of that stuff has always been above my “Pay Grade”...... Lol....I’ll leave all of those things to the many here that are smarter than me,... To say if a person refuses to preach the Gospel will cause some souls to go to the Lake of Fire? Is a mockery of God. That would place salvation in the hands of men, and not God! God is everywhere. If you do not want to preach? Its your loss. God will find someone (or something else) to make the Gospel known to open the door for someone's salvation. Yep. It would also contradict Romans 1's report God's power and existence is seen in nature and the reports elsewhere where God preached the gospel directly. Yep. Affirmative on all accounts!
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Post by praiseyeshua on Oct 6, 2022 5:38:32 GMT -8
I have often mused over the notion that hardly a soul in at least western civilization, has not been exposed to the Gospel--and in recent years, this is becoming the case all over. I make a distinction between intellectual inquiry and 'hearing' of course. Nevertheless, the word has gone out. If nothing else, just consider the Christmas Story. Christmas story? Rom 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world. How shall they hear WITHOUT.... Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
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