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Post by praiseyeshua on Jun 27, 2023 6:07:52 GMT -8
No. I'm saying that just because SOMEONE baptized you don't mean you were properly baptized..... 1Co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. See.... See how the Scriptures deal with "myopic" views such as you have with Acts 2:38? You were not baptized by anyone that God sent. Jesus sent HIS disciples. God sent JOHN.... Jesus didn't send Paul to baptize. Since you refuse being baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of your sins as the 3000 at pentecost were baptized, what new baptism did you try? Dishonest nonsense from you. I never denied Baptism. What I AM DOING... is properly teaching baptism. I'm just making the point concerning baptism. You have ZERO claim to the disciples that God originally sent. The best you can do is submit to flawed men for baptism. This presents a very real issue for you in your false doctrine. You're the one falsely claiming such a practice is essential to salvation. It is not. It is a ritual just like Communion. Nothing more. |
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Post by Truther on Jun 27, 2023 10:27:33 GMT -8
Jesus is still the same microscopic cell today as he was in Mary? Or, Jesus never changes towards us? The same yesterday today and forever is a statement of the substance of Character and Divine power. You're shifting your argument. At least be honest and admit that you are. You're not dealing with each and every statement you're making. You're making mistakes and need to admit it. Same yesterday.... is speaking of Jesus changes not. If you think the sperm cell that his God made to mate with Mary's egg to create Jesus is not a physical change then you are spiritually woke. |
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Post by Truther on Jun 27, 2023 10:29:58 GMT -8
"In" has context per the sentence. Did you know that English words mean different things per the context? Did you know that they cannot be swapped? Do you think this... ...but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Does also mean this?... ...but the Father that dwelleth OUTSIDE OF me, he doeth the works. Geesh.... "In" is a statement relativating "through". There are ALWAYS multiple meanings associated most any English word. The same is true of most any language. Do you also think this.... 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Can also mean this?... 9 For ALL AROUND him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead ALL AROUND HIM bodily, BUT NOT INSIDE HIM. |
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Post by Truther on Jun 27, 2023 10:34:08 GMT -8
Say it. 3 divine persons. Not 3 divine persons in 1 person. God is One in nature , essence , being , substance etc and Three in Persons. One God who is Tri- Personal, Tri-Unity, Trinity. No, God is a lone Spirit, as Jesus said... 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him[/font] must worship him in spirit and in truth. The trinity is a THEM. |
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Post by praiseyeshua on Jun 27, 2023 10:38:06 GMT -8
The same yesterday today and forever is a statement of the substance of Character and Divine power. You're shifting your argument. At least be honest and admit that you are. You're not dealing with each and every statement you're making. You're making mistakes and need to admit it. Same yesterday.... is speaking of Jesus changes not. If you think the sperm cell that his God made to mate with Mary's egg to create Jesus is not a physical change then you are spiritually woke. Manifestations of God have changed throughout history. These do not reflect a change of substance or character. Silly human beings see a change of flesh as meaningful. You should stop thinking after the flesh.... |
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Post by Truther on Jun 27, 2023 10:38:07 GMT -8
Since you refuse being baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of your sins as the 3000 at pentecost were baptized, what new baptism did you try? Dishonest nonsense from you. I never denied Baptism. What I AM DOING... is properly teaching baptism. I'm just making the point concerning baptism. You have ZERO claim to the disciples that God originally sent. The best you can do is submit to flawed men for baptism. This presents a very real issue for you in your false doctrine. You're the one falsely claiming such a practice is essential to salvation. It is not. It is a ritual just like Communion. Nothing more. So, you obeyed this?... 37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,... Or, do you baptize differently from Peter and his 3000 converts? |
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Post by praiseyeshua on Jun 27, 2023 10:39:13 GMT -8
Geesh.... "In" is a statement relativating "through". There are ALWAYS multiple meanings associated most any English word. The same is true of most any language. Do you also think this.... 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Can also mean this?... 9 For ALL AROUND him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead ALL AROUND HIM bodily, BUT NOT INSIDE HIM. It is EVERYTHING about Him. Not some ideal of just what is "inside"..... |
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Post by Truther on Jun 27, 2023 10:40:46 GMT -8
Same yesterday.... is speaking of Jesus changes not. If you think the sperm cell that his God made to mate with Mary's egg to create Jesus is not a physical change then you are spiritually woke. Manifestations of God have changed throughout history. These do not reflect a change of substance or character. Silly human beings see a change of flesh as meaningful. You should stop thinking after the flesh.... Did God manifest Himself as a sperm cell in Mary or did God manifest Himself THROUGH Jesus, bodily?.... 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself... |
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Post by praiseyeshua on Jun 27, 2023 10:41:40 GMT -8
Dishonest nonsense from you. I never denied Baptism. What I AM DOING... is properly teaching baptism. I'm just making the point concerning baptism. You have ZERO claim to the disciples that God originally sent. The best you can do is submit to flawed men for baptism. This presents a very real issue for you in your false doctrine. You're the one falsely claiming such a practice is essential to salvation. It is not. It is a ritual just like Communion. Nothing more. So, you obeyed this?... 37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,... Or, do you baptize differently from Peter and his 3000 converts? Repentance is different for me than it was for them. Different circumstances. Different reasons. I never rejected the baptism of God of the preaching of the Kingdom during the Incarnation. Repentance for Israel. They had the promises. They were heirs. I was baptized in a baptistery months after I was born again. I suppose you're cleaned from your sins every time you take a bath.... Right? |
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Post by Truther on Jun 27, 2023 10:42:16 GMT -8
Do you also think this.... 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Can also mean this?... 9 For ALL AROUND him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead ALL AROUND HIM bodily, BUT NOT INSIDE HIM. It is EVERYTHING about Him. Not some ideal of just what is "inside"..... So you think Col 2:9 should have really said this..... 9 For ALL AROUND him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead ALL AROUND HIM bodily, BUT NOT INSIDE HIM. Ick! |
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Post by praiseyeshua on Jun 27, 2023 10:43:11 GMT -8
Manifestations of God have changed throughout history. These do not reflect a change of substance or character. Silly human beings see a change of flesh as meaningful. You should stop thinking after the flesh.... Did God manifest Himself as a sperm cell in Mary or did God manifest Himself THROUGH Jesus, bodily?.... 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself... Manifestations are appearances. It is not about substance nor character. You really are lacking in the simplest arguments surrounding the teaching of the Trinity. When you manifest a fart, do that change who you are? |
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Post by Truther on Jun 27, 2023 10:44:01 GMT -8
So, you obeyed this?... 37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,... Or, do you baptize differently from Peter and his 3000 converts? Repentance is different for me than it was for them. Different circumstances. Different reasons. I never rejected the baptism of God of the preaching of the Kingdom during the Incarnation. Repentance for Israel. They had the promises. They were heirs. I was baptized in a baptistery months after I was born again. I suppose you're cleaned from your sins every time you take a bath.... Right? Baptism in the name of Jesus made my conscience free from guilt. Did you believe your guilt away instead? |
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Post by praiseyeshua on Jun 27, 2023 10:44:27 GMT -8
It is EVERYTHING about Him. Not some ideal of just what is "inside"..... So you think Col 2:9 should have really said this..... 9 For ALL AROUND him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead ALL AROUND HIM bodily, BUT NOT INSIDE HIM. Ick! No. That is your silly rubbish. "In" is fine. You're the one requiring "in" mean "inside". I have told you many times now that is not the proper case for the context of the statement. |
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Post by praiseyeshua on Jun 27, 2023 10:45:32 GMT -8
Repentance is different for me than it was for them. Different circumstances. Different reasons. I never rejected the baptism of God of the preaching of the Kingdom during the Incarnation. Repentance for Israel. They had the promises. They were heirs. I was baptized in a baptistery months after I was born again. I suppose you're cleaned from your sins every time you take a bath.... Right? Baptism in the name of Jesus made my conscience free from guilt. Did you believe your guilt away instead? Believe my guilt away.... Geesh....Jesus Christ personally freed me. |
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Post by Truther on Jun 27, 2023 10:45:33 GMT -8
Did God manifest Himself as a sperm cell in Mary or did God manifest Himself THROUGH Jesus, bodily?.... 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself... Manifestations are appearances. It is not about substance nor character. You really are lacking in the simplest arguments surrounding the teaching of the Trinity. When you manifest a fart, do that change who you are? God manifested himself in the flesh of His son, Jesus. He did not turn into Jesus. Incarnationism is trippy. |
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