Ozias
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Post by Ozias on Jun 30, 2023 6:09:00 GMT -8
Incorrect teaching about Jesus is a very serious matter; to deny that Jesus is the Christ is to be a liar and the antichrist (1 John 2:22). John may be addressing one of the particular heresies that were emerging in the late first century, either Docetism or Gnosticism, but irrespective of whether he has a specific teaching or generalities in mind, his point is clear. Having the right perspective on the Father and the Son is vital. It's vital to have the correct understanding about Jesus, that He is God. The Holy Scripture, being God’s own Word and it's not something to be taken lightly or Joke about, written by men prepared and superintended by His Spirit, is of infallible divine authority in all matters upon which it touches: it is to be believed, as God’s instruction, in all that it affirms: obeyed, as God’s command, in all that it requires; embraced, as God’s pledge, in all that it promises . . . Being wholly and verbally God-given, Scripture is without error or fault in all its teaching, no less in what it states about God’s acts in creation, about the events of world history, and about its own literary origins under God, than in its witness to God’s saving grace in individual lives. Just a word of caution, I suggest we discuss this topic of the trinity whatever our opinion, with all due respect. We discuss it with all due respect without slinging name calling like "liar/antichrist". Here is your Discussion that you've repeated over and over "The RCC gave Christendom their trinity doctrine." "Adherents to trinity are Catholic by default." |
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Post by civic on Jun 30, 2023 6:26:38 GMT -8
We discuss it with all due respect without slinging name calling like "liar/antichrist". Here is your Discussion that you've repeated over and over "The RCC gave Christendom their trinity doctrine." "Adherents to trinity are Catholic by default." I have learned over the years depending who I'm engaging defending the Trinity whether its a non trinitarian or a trinitarian to be able to support the Trinity without using the word trinity or any creeds. When you just use scripture to defend the Father is God, the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God it removes their objection because you are using the Bible to identify that Jesus is God directly from scripture. Unitarians hate is when you go to scripture alone for they have no leg on which to stand and have to change the definitions of so many words and phrases to support their false christ. |
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Post by Truther on Jun 30, 2023 13:16:14 GMT -8
.....If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. greater has to do with position/roles.
I'm the head of my wife in my home, she is "ranked" under me but she is no less human than I, the same with Jesus who is no less Divine than the Father.
So they are not co-equal after all? One has a greater role than the other? Are the Father and son married to be compared to you and your wife? |
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Post by Truther on Jun 30, 2023 13:18:55 GMT -8
We discuss it with all due respect without slinging name calling like "liar/antichrist". Here is your Discussion that you've repeated over and over "The RCC gave Christendom their trinity doctrine." "Adherents to trinity are Catholic by default." Does your trinity doctrine exact comparison to the RCC, that the RCC started via extra Biblical commentary, offend you by being associated with it? |
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Post by Truther on Jun 30, 2023 13:25:30 GMT -8
Here is your Discussion that you've repeated over and over "The RCC gave Christendom their trinity doctrine." "Adherents to trinity are Catholic by default." I have learned over the years depending who I'm engaging defending the Trinity whether its a non trinitarian or a trinitarian to be able to support the Trinity without using the word trinity or any creeds. When you just use scripture to defend the Father is God, the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God it removes their objection because you are using the Bible to identify that Jesus is God directly from scripture. Unitarians hate is when you go to scripture alone for they have no leg on which to stand and have to change the definitions of so many words and phrases to support their false christ. There are no unitarians here. I simply follow the scripture that Jesus and the Apostles taught called "God in Christ". Everyone else teaches "God AND Christ" as 2 divine persons that rule side by side. The RCC removed God from inside Christ and plopped him down alongside God. Worse than that, they removed the holy Ghost from God and Christ and made it a divine person. Now, since the Father, son and holy Ghost are all holy and spirits, you have 3 Holy Ghosts. Yes, you teach that there are 3 Holy Ghosts via the separation doctrine of 3 holy persons of God. What a tangled web we weave.... |
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Post by forgiven on Jun 30, 2023 13:26:55 GMT -8
How Can Jesus Be Both God and Man?
Jesus was made God by his God fully indwelling him, bodily, after resurrecting him from DEATH. God was not a sperm cell to mate with Mary's egg. The begotten son of God was, the last Adam, the redo of the first Adam, our new adopted father. o joy another you tube video |
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Post by Truther on Jun 30, 2023 13:27:02 GMT -8
To make matters worse...3 Holy Ghosts with one having a human nature and flesh attachment.
Egad!
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Post by Truther on Jun 30, 2023 13:30:59 GMT -8
Jesus was made God by his God fully indwelling him, bodily, after resurrecting him from DEATH. God was not a sperm cell to mate with Mary's egg. The begotten son of God was, the last Adam, the redo of the first Adam, our new adopted father. o joy another you tube video The first words he said was.."it is incomprehensible". He should have read this first.... 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in(INSIDE) the flesh(JESUS).... The mystery is revealed. |
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Post by Truther on Jun 30, 2023 13:35:21 GMT -8
He thinks Paul meant...
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest INTO flesh...
That is how they extract God from inside Jesus in very tactful ways.
How would you guys like it if I taught that God was NOT inside you?
Not good?
Well, did you know this proves God was in Jesus?...
4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned.....
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Post by Truther on Jun 30, 2023 13:36:31 GMT -8
God is holy and a Spirit(Ghost).
Now look again...
4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost(God)....
Jesus was full of God...even without measure.
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Post by civic on Jul 1, 2023 4:26:59 GMT -8
greater has to do with position/roles.
I'm the head of my wife in my home, she is "ranked" under me but she is no less human than I, the same with Jesus who is no less Divine than the Father.
So they are not co-equal after all? One has a greater role than the other? Are the Father and son married to be compared to you and your wife? My wife and I are co-equal as humans but we have different roles/function in our family. Do any of those roles make the other person not co-equal as humans ? Neither does that make Anyone within the Trinity less Divine. |
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Post by Truther on Jul 1, 2023 5:29:37 GMT -8
So they are not co-equal after all? One has a greater role than the other? Are the Father and son married to be compared to you and your wife? My wife and I are co-equal as humans but we have different roles/function in our family. Do any of those roles make the other person not co-equal as humans ? Neither does that make Anyone within the Trinity less Divine. The Father and son are like husband and wife? Trins teach that? Well, original oneness as I teach, has my son subordinate to me. He is not co-equal. The Father and the son are not married...bad example. |
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Post by Truther on Jul 1, 2023 5:45:27 GMT -8
This is so simple it is profound.
Jesus was a redo of the first Adam per 1 Cor 15.
The 1st Adam is our biological father and the last Adam is our adopted father.
The first Adam died and is waiting...
The last Adam was made a quickening spirit(AKA God).
The first Adam failed and the last Adam succeeded because the last Adam was filled with the Holy Ghost to assist him not to sin(Luke 4).
The RCC etc made God out of the last Adam, when they should have waited until his God resurrected him.
Christendom missed this and is spun into thousands of religious ideas.
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Post by Truther on Jul 3, 2023 5:30:31 GMT -8
Another question.
What do you all think of this?...
4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost ....
A: Was Jesus full of Himself?
B: Was the 2nd person full of the 3rd person?
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Post by civic on Jul 3, 2023 6:07:38 GMT -8
Another question. What do you all think of this?... 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost .... A: Was Jesus full of Himself? B: Was the 2nd person full of the 3rd person? All the fullness of the Godhead dwells in Him bodily- Colossians 1:19 and Colossians 2:9
hope this helps !!!
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