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Post by Bronson on Jun 29, 2023 11:14:36 GMT -8
DEFINITION OF PERICHORESIS.—By the Perichoresis of the Three Divine Persons we mean their mutual Interpenetration and Inexistence by virtue of their Consubstantiality, their immanent Processions, and the divine Relations. That's what I'm talking about! Christ clearly affirms the divine Perichoresis when He says: “I am in the Father, and the Father is in me.” John 14:11 “In him we live, and move, and are,” merely asserts the immensity of God, not the Trinitarian Perichoresis. For, as Petavius rightly observes, “though the mind abstract entirely from the notion of place and location in space, and regard solely the Divine Hypostases considered in themselves and absolutely, Perichoresis and the mutual inexistence of Person in Person will still be there; because if one be posited it will be necessary to posit the other; they cannot be separated from one another, but each will remain intimately united with each and all three will mutually inexist.” Hence the Perichoresis of the Blessed Trinity cannot be adequately explained by the divine attribute of immensity. But the good news is: “Perichoresis in the Godhead originates in the unity of the Divine Essence,” says Petavius, “… and it consists in this, that one Person cannot be divided or separated from another, but they mutually exist in one another without confusion and without detriment to the distinction between them. civic talks about this when he tell us that The Trinity cannot be divided or separated. But I should let him talk about that as he explains it better than I ever could. 3 God's. I can count just fine, and so can the rest of the world. Let me guess... the RCC taught you along with the rest of Christendom. |
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Post by praiseyeshua on Jun 29, 2023 19:49:39 GMT -8
You're projecting. I don't believe that nonsense. Did you reject the baptism of John and the early ministry of Jesus Christ while around 30 AD? Not a single apostle nor disciple ever demanded the same from another group of individuals like Peter spoke to. You know they didn't. You hold an unsustainable position that is not reflected in any practical application today. Peter didn't baptize you. None of the apostles baptized you. Show me where the person that baptized you was sent by God to do so. You have a name it claiming position. You're claiming what Peter said to others as being binding upon everyone without requiring the same circumstances for everyone. This is nothing but make believe for you. I was born again once. I was there when it happened. It was long before I was ever submerged in water. I've been a child of God ever since and no nonsense from you will change that. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but... 37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,... ....which your answer would have been quite different if you were Peter at Pentecost. Fact is, if the name of Jesus was not invoked during your baptism, you were not buried with Christ nor have remission of sins. The 3000 at Pentecost is my church, identifying myself by their doctrine and experience. Get back to the original. 1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 1Co 10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Why were they overthrown in the wilderness? Deu 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith. No faith. Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. |
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Post by Truther on Jun 30, 2023 4:40:36 GMT -8
I guess there is an upside for being the son as he is stuck with a weak human nature forever and the other 2 are not.  No weak human nature as His is Super Human and incorruptible/ immortal. So, his human nature he melded into himself is as strong as hids divine nature? |
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Post by civic on Jun 30, 2023 4:43:26 GMT -8
No weak human nature as His is Super Human and incorruptible/ immortal. I agree. It would seem the other poster is talking about another Jesus. I think the Bible warns us about folks that do that. We're not to accept it or put up with it. We're talking wolves and sheep's clothing here. 2 Corinthians 11:3–4 I am afraid, however, that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may be led astray from your simple and pure devotion to Christ. You happily put up with whatever anyone tells you, even if they preach a different Jesus than the one we preach, or a different kind of Spirit than the one you received, or a different kind of gospel than the one you believed. Amen |
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Post by Truther on Jun 30, 2023 4:43:27 GMT -8
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but... 37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,... ....which your answer would have been quite different if you were Peter at Pentecost. Fact is, if the name of Jesus was not invoked during your baptism, you were not buried with Christ nor have remission of sins. The 3000 at Pentecost is my church, identifying myself by their doctrine and experience. Get back to the original. 1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 1Co 10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Why were they overthrown in the wilderness? Deu 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith. No faith. Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Did the 3000 at Pentecost obey Acts 2:38 by faith or not? How much faith do you need to ignore baptism in Jesus name for the remission of sins and remit your own sins, excluding Jesus name by faith? |
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Post by Truther on Jun 30, 2023 4:45:39 GMT -8
3 God's. I can count just fine, and so can the rest of the world. Let me guess... the RCC taught you along with the rest of Christendom. Correction. The RCC gave Christendom their trinity doctrine. Adherents to trinity are Catholic by default. |
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Post by Truther on Jun 30, 2023 4:50:12 GMT -8
I agree. It would seem the other poster is talking about another Jesus. I think the Bible warns us about folks that do that. We're not to accept it or put up with it. We're talking wolves and sheep's clothing here. 2 Corinthians 11:3–4 I am afraid, however, that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may be led astray from your simple and pure devotion to Christ. You happily put up with whatever anyone tells you, even if they preach a different Jesus than the one we preach, or a different kind of Spirit than the one you received, or a different kind of gospel than the one you believed. Amen The "other poster" is giving you your Bible back to read about the true Jesus with a God. The RCC gave you the 2nd person of a trinity that is not in the Bible at all. The RCC has recruited Christendom into Jesus identity theft, which is unfair to Jesus. Here is a verse, for example, that will send you guys into a tirade because you guys are indoctrinated by the RCC.... And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.... |
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Post by Truther on Jun 30, 2023 4:54:28 GMT -8
Was Phil 2 speaking of God being in the form of God, thinking it not robbery to be equal with God, humbling Himself to devils and sinners? Or, the sinless man Christ Jesus(begotten son) being in the form of God, thinking it not robbery to be equal with God, humbling himself to devils and sinners? Did God give Himself(God in flesh) a name above every name, or the man Christ Jesus, His ONLY begotten son? What is the meaning of Philippians 2:5, “Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus”? www.gotquestions.org/let-this-mind-be-in-you.htmlThe mind of Christ is the thought process of the MAN, Christ Jesus who overcame temptation. The first Adam implanted his "mind" in us to sin. The last Adam implanted his "mind" in us to overcome sin. We now have 2 "minds" in us, doing battle for our being.(Rom 7) |
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Post by Truther on Jun 30, 2023 4:56:18 GMT -8
I guess there is an upside for being the son as he is stuck with a weak human nature forever and the other 2 are not. No weak human nature as His is Super Human and incorruptible/ immortal. .....If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. |
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Post by Truther on Jun 30, 2023 4:59:01 GMT -8
How Can Jesus Be Both God and Man?
Jesus was made God by his God fully indwelling him, bodily, after resurrecting him from DEATH. God was not a sperm cell to mate with Mary's egg. The begotten son of God was, the last Adam, the redo of the first Adam, our new adopted father. |
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Post by Truther on Jun 30, 2023 5:01:19 GMT -8
Incorrect teaching about Jesus is a very serious matter; to deny that Jesus is the Christ is to be a liar and the antichrist (1 John 2:22). John may be addressing one of the particular heresies that were emerging in the late first century, either Docetism or Gnosticism, but irrespective of whether he has a specific teaching or generalities in mind, his point is clear. Having the right perspective on the Father and the Son is vital. It's vital to have the correct understanding about Jesus, that He is God. The Holy Scripture, being God’s own Word and it's not something to be taken lightly or Joke about, written by men prepared and superintended by His Spirit, is of infallible divine authority in all matters upon which it touches: it is to be believed, as God’s instruction, in all that it affirms: obeyed, as God’s command, in all that it requires; embraced, as God’s pledge, in all that it promises . . . Being wholly and verbally God-given, Scripture is without error or fault in all its teaching, no less in what it states about God’s acts in creation, about the events of world history, and about its own literary origins under God, than in its witness to God’s saving grace in individual lives. Just a word of caution, I suggest we discuss this topic of the trinity whatever our opinion, with all due respect. We discuss it with all due respect without slinging name calling like "liar/antichrist". |
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Post by Truther on Jun 30, 2023 5:03:59 GMT -8
Incorrect teaching about Jesus is a very serious matter; to deny that Jesus is the Christ is to be a liar and the antichrist (1 John 2:22). John may be addressing one of the particular heresies that were emerging in the late first century, either Docetism or Gnosticism, but irrespective of whether he has a specific teaching or generalities in mind, his point is clear. Having the right perspective on the Father and the Son is vital. It's vital to have the correct understanding about Jesus, that He is God. The Holy Scripture, being God’s own Word and it's not something to be taken lightly or Joke about, written by men prepared and superintended by His Spirit, is of infallible divine authority in all matters upon which it touches: it is to be believed, as God’s instruction, in all that it affirms: obeyed, as God’s command, in all that it requires; embraced, as God’s pledge, in all that it promises . . . Being wholly and verbally God-given, Scripture is without error or fault in all its teaching, no less in what it states about God’s acts in creation, about the events of world history, and about its own literary origins under God, than in its witness to God’s saving grace in individual lives. Just a word of caution, I suggest we discuss this topic of the trinity whatever our opinion, with all due respect. Being respectful when it comes to God's word Is wise advice. I've seen a few allegations against the trinitarian concept of God. It would seem the most common on this forum would be that the Roman Catholic Church invented the trinity. To me that's like slinging mud on the wall to see what sticks. It's a non issue. Another one is that trinitarians have been accused of relying on an evolutionary model of Scripture to explain the development of the doctrine of the Trinity. Because this doctrine is not explicitly taught in the Old Testament, it is claimed, its “sudden appearance” in the New Testament. The Old Testament does not explicitly teach the doctrine, but the concept of the Trinity is hinted at in certain places. We could say that the Old Testament lays a foundation for the later revelation concerning the Trinity. “Let Us make man in Our image” (Genesis 1:26) Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is the preeminent and perfect image of God: “The Son radiates God’s own glory and expresses the very character of God” (Hebrews 1:3; see also 2 Corinthians 4:4; Colossians 1:15). To see Jesus is to see the Father (John 14:9). To know Christ is to know God. Jesus Christ shows us what God meant when He said, “Let Us make man in Our image.” The original Hebrew word for “God” in Genesis 1 is the plural masculine noun Elohim. God, our Creator, chose to introduce Himself to us with a plural title. In Genesis 1:26—the first time in the Bible that God speaks about Himself—He uses the plural pronouns Us and Our. This passage is not the only instance in which God refers to Himself in plural terms (see Genesis 3:22; 11:7; and Isaiah 6:8). We find the plural Elohim more than 2,550 times in the Bible. So the roots of the doctrine of the Trinity are indeed to be found in the Old Testament and that the fundamentals of the doctrine were believed consistently from New Testament times until finally enunciated in the creeds of the fourth and fifth centuries. The "us" per man made in the image of God in Gen is this... No Yelling "large Font" |
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Post by Truther on Jun 30, 2023 5:05:55 GMT -8
Here is the "us" before the foundation of the world...
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of No Yelling "Large Font"
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Post by Hosanna on Jun 30, 2023 5:58:34 GMT -8
My Plan for this thread:
“But refuse (shut your mind against, have nothing to do with) trifling (ill-informed, unedifying, stupid) controversies over ignorant questionings, for you know that they foster strife and breed quarrels” (2 Tim. 2:23). Shut your mind to gossip, slander, and to the idea that someone with an opinion different from yours must be wrong, and to other unedifying thoughts that will lead to strife. Fix your mind on things that are worthy: love, kindness, thinking the best about people, grace, mercy, and other edifying thoughts that are found in the Word of God (see Phil. 4:8).
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Post by civic on Jun 30, 2023 6:00:14 GMT -8
No weak human nature as His is Super Human and incorruptible/ immortal. .....If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. greater has to do with position/roles.
I'm the head of my wife in my home, she is "ranked" under me but she is no less human than I, the same with Jesus who is no less Divine than the Father.
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