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Post by netchaplain on Jan 12, 2023 13:02:43 GMT -8
The goal of the Father for believers concerning sanctification is that they would have “no more conscience of sins” (Heb 10:2). Saints need not to contemplate their sins since they have been completely and permanently cleared of all the guilt of all their sins—“once for all” (Heb 10:10, 12, 14; 9:12, 28)!
“Because the worshippers, once purged, would have had no more conscience of sins” intends the design that we are not to allow a guilty conscience because of our sins (unless one thinks Christ’s expiation was insufficient to procure all sin), to manifest the impact of being always forgiven, and thus never needing to wallow in the mire of guilt! We can be aware of our sins only enough to identify them and remember the Lord’s expiation for them. There can be a short season of guilt in a babe-in-Christ, but maturity affords the believer growth in Christ (Eph 4:15); and if we maintain any guilt concerning anything at all, we have yet to learn fully God’s forgiveness in Christ.
It is not humility that may keep one thoughtful of one’s sins, but ignorance of the truth that the believer in Christ is in unbroken forgiveness with God when living a life of confession and repentance of sins; and know, it isn’t our obedience, which shows our love for God (Jhn 14:21, 23) that forgiveness is secured, but forgiveness is established by faith in the expiation of Christ’s Cross.
This answers to the fact that we are to “lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us” in order that we might not be “troubled” and “overtaken” in much sadness of heart (Gen 4:13; Gal 6:1; Jhn 14:1, 27). Our sins be as they may, God has provided—through faith in Christ, confession and repentance—“a way of escape, that we may be able to bear it” (1Co 10:13); and all is accounted for concerning all our sins and His all-forging love.
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“Because the worshippers, once purged, would have had no more conscience of sins”; there are external and internal worshippers; the latter are such who worship God in Spirit and in truth: but here ceremonial worshippers are meant, who, if they had been really purged from sin by legal sacrifices, and purifications, would have had no more conscience of sins, and so have had no need to have repeated them; as such spiritual worshippers, who are once purged from sin by the Blood and sacrifice of Christ; not that they have no sin, or no sense of sin, or that their consciences are seared, or that they never accuse for sin, or that they are to make no confession and acknowledgment of sin; but that they are discharged from the guilt of sin, and are not liable to condemnation for it; and through the application of the Blood of Christ to them, have peace with God, and joy in the Holy Ghost.”
—John Gill
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Post by makesends on Jan 13, 2023 7:51:02 GMT -8
The goal of the Father for believers concerning sanctification is that they would have “no more conscience of sins” (Heb 10:2). Saints need not to contemplate their sins since they have been completely and permanently cleared of all the guilt of all their sins—“once for all” (Heb 10:10, 12, 14; 9:12, 28)! “Because the worshippers, once purged, would have had no more conscience of sins” intends the design that we are not to allow a guilty conscience because of our sins (unless one thinks Christ’s expiation was insufficient to procure all sin), to manifest the impact of being always forgiven, and thus never needing to wallow in the mire of guilt! We can be aware of our sins only enough to identify them and remember the Lord’s expiation for them. There can be a short season of guilt in a babe-in-Christ, but maturity affords the believer growth in Christ (Eph 4:15); and if we maintain any guilt concerning anything at all, we have yet to learn fully God’s forgiveness in Christ. It is not humility that may keep one thoughtful of one’s sins, but ignorance of the truth that the believer in Christ is in unbroken forgiveness with God when living a life of confession and repentance of sins; and know, it isn’t our obedience, which shows our love for God (Jhn 14:21, 23) that forgiveness is secured, but forgiveness is established by faith in the expiation of Christ’s Cross. This answers to the fact that we are to “lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us” in order that we might not be “troubled” and “overtaken” in much sadness of heart (Gen 4:13; Gal 6:1; Jhn 14:1, 27). Our sins be as they may, God has provided—through faith in Christ, confession and repentance—“a way of escape, that we may be able to bear it” (1Co 10:13); and all is accounted for concerning all our sins and His all-forging love. NC “Because the worshippers, once purged, would have had no more conscience of sins”; there are external and internal worshippers; the latter are such who worship God in Spirit and in truth: but here ceremonial worshippers are meant, who, if they had been really purged from sin by legal sacrifices, and purifications, would have had no more conscience of sins, and so have had no need to have repeated them; as such spiritual worshippers, who are once purged from sin by the Blood and sacrifice of Christ; not that they have no sin, or no sense of sin, or that their consciences are seared, or that they never accuse for sin, or that they are to make no confession and acknowledgment of sin; but that they are discharged from the guilt of sin, and are not liable to condemnation for it; and through the application of the Blood of Christ to them, have peace with God, and joy in the Holy Ghost.” —John Gill With Gill, I agree. I differ somewhat with this first paragraph of yours, though. "The goal of the Father for believers concerning sanctification is that they would have “no more conscience of sins” (Heb 10:2). Saints need not to contemplate their sins since they have been completely and permanently cleared of all the guilt of all their sins—“once for all” (Heb 10:10, 12, 14; 9:12, 28)!", though I will allow for some latitude in what you intend by, "contemplate". My difference with what you said there comes from the scriptural fact that the Spirit of God convicts not only unbelievers of sin, but believers also. There are also many passages in Scripture demonstrating the recognition of the guilt of sin in the very meaning of repentance, and, happily, the recognition and acceptance of God's forgiveness. David even searches himself, and asks God to show him, "any wicked way in me". |
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Post by civic on Jan 13, 2023 8:10:22 GMT -8
I have been thinking allot about this lately and one of the things I have been doing in my studies is questioning things we have been taught and taken for granted that these sayings/ beliefs are actually true from a biblical view.
For instance the church/Christendom has affirmed that at the cross and through the Resurrection Jesus defeated sin, death and the devil. In Christianity we pretty much all affirm that death was defeated and so was the devil. They have no power over the believer whatsoever and we now have eternal life with the Son and the devil has no power over us for greater is He that is in you than he who is in the world. So my question is this have we been sold a bill of goods from the devil, the enemy that we cannot have victory over sin ? And just to be clear I do not hold to sinless perfection.
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Post by Obadiah on Jan 13, 2023 11:02:02 GMT -8
I have been thinking allot about this lately and one of the things I have been doing in my studies is questioning things we have been taught and taken for granted that these sayings/ beliefs are actually true from a biblical view. For instance the church/Christendom has affirmed that at the cross and through the Resurrection Jesus defeated sin, death and the devil. In Christianity we pretty much all affirm that death was defeated and so was the devil. They have no power over the believer whatsoever and we now have eternal life with the Son and the devil has no power over us for greater is He that is in you than he who is in the world. So my question is this have we been sold a bill of goods from the devil, the enemy that we cannot have victory over sin ? And just to be clear I do not hold to sinless perfection. That's interesting as it goes along with what I'm studying at the moment. The Apostle Paul gives us the answer In Galatians 5. Especially in versus 16 through 25. I'm working on self-control found in verse 23. Last on Paul’s list of the fruit of the Spirit in Galatians 5 is self-control and for me it enables me to grow in love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness. I have found that if I live by the Spirit and walk by the Spirit to the best of my ability (Led by the Spirit), then I have a strong desire to grow in the rest of the fruit of the Spirit. View article @ BAM Blog> |
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Post by netchaplain on Jan 13, 2023 12:19:48 GMT -8
With Gill, I agree. I differ somewhat with this first paragraph of yours, though. "The goal of the Father for believers concerning sanctification is that they would have “no more conscience of sins” (Heb 10:2). Saints need not to contemplate their sins since they have been completely and permanently cleared of all the guilt of all their sins—“once for all” (Heb 10:10, 12, 14; 9:12, 28)!", though I will allow for some latitude in what you intend by, "contemplate". My difference with what you said there comes from the scriptural fact that the Spirit of God convicts not only unbelievers of sin, but believers also. There are also many passages in Scripture demonstrating the recognition of the guilt of sin in the very meaning of repentance, and, happily, the recognition and acceptance of God's forgiveness. David even searches himself, and asks God to show him, "any wicked way in me". By contemplate I meant to think of something too much, e.g. we need not think much on our sins, which doesn't mean to ignore them but not get hung up on them. We are to acknowledge (confess) our sins, but we are also to avoid letting them trouble us (Jn 14:1, 20) for what ever reason. Because His forgiveness is always ours we can always be at peace. We are sorry for our sins, but not to the point of being overcome by them. It's our joy to have God's forgiveness, not a sorrow! Concerning unbelievers, they are those whom God knows will never decide to choose to believe in Him, and therefore has no concern for them sinning against Him (no conviction). |
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Post by netchaplain on Jan 13, 2023 12:25:17 GMT -8
I have been thinking allot about this lately and one of the things I have been doing in my studies is questioning things we have been taught and taken for granted that these sayings/ beliefs are actually true from a biblical view. For instance the church/Christendom has affirmed that at the cross and through the Resurrection Jesus defeated sin, death and the devil. In Christianity we pretty much all affirm that death was defeated and so was the devil. They have no power over the believer whatsoever and we now have eternal life with the Son and the devil has no power over us for greater is He that is in you than he who is in the world. So my question is this have we been sold a bill of goods from the devil, the enemy that we cannot have victory over sin ? And just to be clear I do not hold to sinless perfection. We ourselves cannot have victory over sin and death, but we do in Christ, and there are many Scriptures that demonstrate victory is ours in Christ. The effort is Christ's and not ours! |
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Post by civic on Jan 13, 2023 16:41:35 GMT -8
I have been thinking allot about this lately and one of the things I have been doing in my studies is questioning things we have been taught and taken for granted that these sayings/ beliefs are actually true from a biblical view. For instance the church/Christendom has affirmed that at the cross and through the Resurrection Jesus defeated sin, death and the devil. In Christianity we pretty much all affirm that death was defeated and so was the devil. They have no power over the believer whatsoever and we now have eternal life with the Son and the devil has no power over us for greater is He that is in you than he who is in the world. So my question is this have we been sold a bill of goods from the devil, the enemy that we cannot have victory over sin ? And just to be clear I do not hold to sinless perfection. We ourselves cannot have victory over sin and death, but we do in Christ, and there are many Scriptures that demonstrate victory is ours in Christ. The effort is Christ's and not ours! Can you expound on that for us brother ?
For instance Christ has victory over the grave/death it could not contain Him and we benefit from it having Eternal Life now and when we doe we are with the Lord.
The same with satan He conquered Him through His death and Resurrection , the enemy has no claim over Christ or those in Christ.
How do we in the here and now benefit from Christs victory over sin as believers ?
Thanks !
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Post by Obadiah on Jan 14, 2023 6:36:18 GMT -8
I have been thinking allot about this lately and one of the things I have been doing in my studies is questioning things we have been taught and taken for granted that these sayings/ beliefs are actually true from a biblical view. For instance the church/Christendom has affirmed that at the cross and through the Resurrection Jesus defeated sin, death and the devil. In Christianity we pretty much all affirm that death was defeated and so was the devil. They have no power over the believer whatsoever and we now have eternal life with the Son and the devil has no power over us for greater is He that is in you than he who is in the world. So my question is this have we been sold a bill of goods from the devil, the enemy that we cannot have victory over sin ? And just to be clear I do not hold to sinless perfection. We ourselves cannot have victory over sin and death, but we do in Christ, and there are many Scriptures that demonstrate victory is ours in Christ. The effort is Christ's and not ours! Good one! It makes me think of a song we used to sing at Set Free Ministry. I want to testify I've got the victory, I want to testify I've got the victory. You know I am What I am by the blood of the Lamb, I'm a conqueror through Jesus Christ My King. 5 Lean on, trust in, and be confident in the Lord with all your heart and mind and do not rely on your own insight or understanding. 6 In all your ways know, recognize, and acknowledge Him, and He will direct and make straight and plain your paths. Proverbs 3:5–6 |
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Post by netchaplain on Jan 14, 2023 6:36:25 GMT -8
We ourselves cannot have victory over sin and death, but we do in Christ, and there are many Scriptures that demonstrate victory is ours in Christ. The effort is Christ's and not ours! Can you expound on that for us brother ?
For instance Christ has victory over the grave/death it could not contain Him and we benefit from it having Eternal Life now and when we doe we are with the Lord.
The same with satan He conquered Him through His death and Resurrection , the enemy has no claim over Christ or those in Christ.
How do we in the here and now benefit from Christs victory over sin as believers ?
Thanks !
Hi, and thanks for the reply and comments! Of course, it's all about faith, which is the only medium "through" which God communes with man. Everything done by the Lord Jesus is for here and now, so we can be with Them there latter. Jesus did nothing for Himself but all for us, for He needed nothing, being the Son of God and Deity. All He did was imputed to those who want faith in His works for us. I say "wants faith" because if one truly desires faith in Christ, then they have it (Mat 7:7; 1Ti 2:8); and the proof of this is manifested in the life of the believer as he continues to desire Christ, and God's "work" in you (Phl 2:13). |
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Post by Obadiah on Jan 14, 2023 7:20:00 GMT -8
civicHow we benefit from Christs victory in the here and now.
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