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Post by toml on Feb 26, 2023 3:11:19 GMT -8
Colossians 2:13 (KJV)
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses.
We have quickening – regeneration.
Calvinist routinely affirm regeneration is the impartation of spirit life.
c) Eternal life, which begins not after death, but immediately upon the regeneration of the sinner, as all life has its beginning in birth. John 3:14, 15, 1 John 4:9. [3]
An aid to the Heidelberg Cathecism
Regeneration
It is the act of God whereby He renews the spiritual condition of a sinner. It is a spiritual change brought about by the work of the Holy Spirit so that the person then possesses new life–eternal life.
CARM
And we have forgiveness of sin.
Having forgiven is a aorist participle it precedes being quickened logically
Having forgiven us (χαρισαμενος ἡμιν [charisamenos hēmin]). First aorist middle participle of χαριζομαι [charizomai], common verb from χαρις [charis] (favour, grace). Dative of the person common as in 3:13. The act of forgiving is simultaneous with the quickening, though logically antecedent
A.T. Robertson, Word Pictures in the New Testament (Nashville, TN: Broadman Press, 1933), Col 2:13.
Grammatically, this bestowal of divine forgiveness is contemporaneous with the divine vivification (NRSV, “God made you alive … when he forgave”; Dunn 145) “though logically antecedent,” Robertson, Pictures 494, or antecedent to it (as RSV, “having forgiven us all our trespasses Murray J. Harris, Colossians and Philemon (Exegetical Guide to the Greek New Testament; B&H Academic; WORDsearch, 2012), 96.
The aorist participle, for example, usually denotes antecedent time to that of the controlling verb. But if the main verb is also aorist, this participle may indicate contemporaneous time.
Daniel B. Wallace, Greek Grammar beyond the Basics: An Exegetical Syntax of the New Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1996), 614.
Faith is necessary before forgiveness of sin is granted.
Acts 10:43 (KJV 1900) — 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
One cannot have peace with God until justified by faith.
Romans 5:1 (KJV) — 1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Or Receive heavenly blessings such as remission of sin and regeneration outside of Christ.
Ephesians 1:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Faith must precede remission of sin and regeneration.
It can be no other way.
Thus, the Calvinist doctrine of Total Inability is seen as false.
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Post by Redeemed on Feb 26, 2023 7:35:44 GMT -8
Colossians 2:13 (KJV) 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses. We have quickening – regeneration. Calvinist routinely affirm regeneration is the impartation of spirit life. c) Eternal life, which begins not after death, but immediately upon the regeneration of the sinner, as all life has its beginning in birth. John 3:14, 15, 1 John 4:9. [3] An aid to the Heidelberg Cathecism Regeneration It is the act of God whereby He renews the spiritual condition of a sinner. It is a spiritual change brought about by the work of the Holy Spirit so that the person then possesses new life–eternal life. CARM And we have forgiveness of sin. Having forgiven is a aorist participle it precedes being quickened logically Having forgiven us (χαρισαμενος ἡμιν [charisamenos hēmin]). First aorist middle participle of χαριζομαι [charizomai], common verb from χαρις [charis] (favour, grace). Dative of the person common as in 3:13. The act of forgiving is simultaneous with the quickening, though logically antecedent A.T. Robertson, Word Pictures in the New Testament (Nashville, TN: Broadman Press, 1933), Col 2:13. Grammatically, this bestowal of divine forgiveness is contemporaneous with the divine vivification (NRSV, “God made you alive … when he forgave”; Dunn 145) “though logically antecedent,” Robertson, Pictures 494, or antecedent to it (as RSV, “having forgiven us all our trespasses Murray J. Harris, Colossians and Philemon (Exegetical Guide to the Greek New Testament; B&H Academic; WORDsearch, 2012), 96. The aorist participle, for example, usually denotes antecedent time to that of the controlling verb. But if the main verb is also aorist, this participle may indicate contemporaneous time. Daniel B. Wallace, Greek Grammar beyond the Basics: An Exegetical Syntax of the New Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1996), 614. Faith is necessary before forgiveness of sin is granted. Acts 10:43 (KJV 1900) — 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. One cannot have peace with God until justified by faith. Romans 5:1 (KJV) — 1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: Or Receive heavenly blessings such as remission of sin and regeneration outside of Christ. Ephesians 1:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: Faith must precede remission of sin and regeneration.It can be no other way. Thus, the Calvinist doctrine of Total Inability is seen as false.
“Now in those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the wilderness of Judea, saying, ‘Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.’” Mark 1:14–15 “Now after John had been taken into custody, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God, and saying, ‘The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.’” Both John the Baptist and Jesus began their public ministries in the same way—preaching that all the hearers should repent and believe the gospel. Such a call made indiscriminately would make no sense if the hearers were in fact unable to do so because of a total inability to respond. If, as Calvinism holds, every unregenerate person is a God-hater, completely unwilling and unable to do anything good including responding to God’s overtures and commands, then calling people to do what they in fact cannot do (for whatever reason) is a farcical waste of time, and worse, somewhat deceptive. Mark 6:5–6 “And He could do no miracle there except that He laid His hands on a few sick people and healed them. And He wondered at their unbelief.” This response on the part of Jesus to those in his home town Nazareth, is quite unexpected assuming Jesus knew all about total depravity. Renault expresses the situation well: It is quite curious to note that Christ “marveled” because of their unbelief. It actually surprised and amazed him. This is different than what one would expect if the doctrine of Total Depravity were true. If it were true that fallen man is completely unable to believe without God giving him a unique grace to believe, then Christ would not have been surprised at all or amazed at their unbelief. He would have expected them not to believe until He Himself had decided that they should believe. The fact that Jesus expressed surprise at the unbelief of his fellow citizens is a clear indication that Jesus did not hold to total depravity. John 4:41–42
“Many more believed because of His word; and they were saying to the woman, ‘It is no longer because of what you said that we believe, for we have heard for ourselves and know that this One is indeed the Savior of the world.’” John wrote his gospel specifically to enable those who were exposed to his gospel “to believe that Jesus is the Christ” (John 20:31). This coheres well with the confidence the New Testament generally expresses in the power of the gospel to save (Rom 1:16). The antidote to human sin according to the New Testament is not to be first regenerated by the Holy Spirit and then believe, but rather to hear the gospel and be challenged to respond to God’s gracious overtures. God’s desire is that all would respond positively to the gospel (1 Tim 2:4). Geoffrey D. Robinson, Saved by Grace through Faith or Saved by Decree? A Biblical and Theological Critique of Calvinist Soteriology |
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Post by civic on Feb 26, 2023 8:27:30 GMT -8
Colossians 2:13 (KJV) 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses. We have quickening – regeneration. Calvinist routinely affirm regeneration is the impartation of spirit life. c) Eternal life, which begins not after death, but immediately upon the regeneration of the sinner, as all life has its beginning in birth. John 3:14, 15, 1 John 4:9. [3] An aid to the Heidelberg Cathecism Regeneration It is the act of God whereby He renews the spiritual condition of a sinner. It is a spiritual change brought about by the work of the Holy Spirit so that the person then possesses new life–eternal life. CARM And we have forgiveness of sin. Having forgiven is a aorist participle it precedes being quickened logically Having forgiven us (χαρισαμενος ἡμιν [charisamenos hēmin]). First aorist middle participle of χαριζομαι [charizomai], common verb from χαρις [charis] (favour, grace). Dative of the person common as in 3:13. The act of forgiving is simultaneous with the quickening, though logically antecedent A.T. Robertson, Word Pictures in the New Testament (Nashville, TN: Broadman Press, 1933), Col 2:13. Grammatically, this bestowal of divine forgiveness is contemporaneous with the divine vivification (NRSV, “God made you alive … when he forgave”; Dunn 145) “though logically antecedent,” Robertson, Pictures 494, or antecedent to it (as RSV, “having forgiven us all our trespasses Murray J. Harris, Colossians and Philemon (Exegetical Guide to the Greek New Testament; B&H Academic; WORDsearch, 2012), 96. The aorist participle, for example, usually denotes antecedent time to that of the controlling verb. But if the main verb is also aorist, this participle may indicate contemporaneous time. Daniel B. Wallace, Greek Grammar beyond the Basics: An Exegetical Syntax of the New Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1996), 614. Faith is necessary before forgiveness of sin is granted. Acts 10:43 (KJV 1900) — 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. One cannot have peace with God until justified by faith. Romans 5:1 (KJV) — 1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: Or Receive heavenly blessings such as remission of sin and regeneration outside of Christ. Ephesians 1:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: Faith must precede remission of sin and regeneration.It can be no other way. Thus, the Calvinist doctrine of Total Inability is seen as false.
Thanks for sharing brother and its good to see you over here. I miss you and interacting with you fighting the good fight and defending the truth. |
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Post by toml on Feb 28, 2023 3:52:02 GMT -8
Colossians 2:13 (KJV) 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses. We have quickening – regeneration. Calvinist routinely affirm regeneration is the impartation of spirit life. c) Eternal life, which begins not after death, but immediately upon the regeneration of the sinner, as all life has its beginning in birth. John 3:14, 15, 1 John 4:9. [3] An aid to the Heidelberg Cathecism Regeneration It is the act of God whereby He renews the spiritual condition of a sinner. It is a spiritual change brought about by the work of the Holy Spirit so that the person then possesses new life–eternal life. CARM And we have forgiveness of sin. Having forgiven is a aorist participle it precedes being quickened logically Having forgiven us (χαρισαμενος ἡμιν [charisamenos hēmin]). First aorist middle participle of χαριζομαι [charizomai], common verb from χαρις [charis] (favour, grace). Dative of the person common as in 3:13. The act of forgiving is simultaneous with the quickening, though logically antecedent A.T. Robertson, Word Pictures in the New Testament (Nashville, TN: Broadman Press, 1933), Col 2:13. Grammatically, this bestowal of divine forgiveness is contemporaneous with the divine vivification (NRSV, “God made you alive … when he forgave”; Dunn 145) “though logically antecedent,” Robertson, Pictures 494, or antecedent to it (as RSV, “having forgiven us all our trespasses Murray J. Harris, Colossians and Philemon (Exegetical Guide to the Greek New Testament; B&H Academic; WORDsearch, 2012), 96. The aorist participle, for example, usually denotes antecedent time to that of the controlling verb. But if the main verb is also aorist, this participle may indicate contemporaneous time. Daniel B. Wallace, Greek Grammar beyond the Basics: An Exegetical Syntax of the New Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1996), 614. Faith is necessary before forgiveness of sin is granted. Acts 10:43 (KJV 1900) — 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. One cannot have peace with God until justified by faith. Romans 5:1 (KJV) — 1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: Or Receive heavenly blessings such as remission of sin and regeneration outside of Christ. Ephesians 1:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: Faith must precede remission of sin and regeneration.It can be no other way. Thus, the Calvinist doctrine of Total Inability is seen as false.
Thanks for sharing brother and its good to see you over here. I miss you and interacting with you fighting the good fight and defending the truth. Yes it is. I am on another vacation from that other site where there are many which need reaching |
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Post by civic on Feb 28, 2023 4:44:37 GMT -8
Thanks for sharing brother and its good to see you over here. I miss you and interacting with you fighting the good fight and defending the truth. Yes it is. I am on another vacation from that other site where there are many which need reaching Theophilus told me he was banned yesterday as well. The Calvinists there never get banned and they are the worst offenders. |
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Post by makesends on Feb 28, 2023 19:01:26 GMT -8
Yes it is. I am on another vacation from that other site where there are many which need reaching Theophilus told me he was banned yesterday as well. The Calvinists there never get banned and they are the worst offenders. Deep bow. lol Shucks, now I gotta go see what site y'all are talking about. —later: All I see is, "that other site". Oh well... guess I'll wait till I find out so I can feel guilty. |
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Post by civic on Mar 1, 2023 5:18:39 GMT -8
Theophilus told me he was banned yesterday as well. The Calvinists there never get banned and they are the worst offenders. Deep bow. lol Shucks, now I gotta go see what site y'all are talking about. —later: All I see is, "that other site". Oh well... guess I'll wait till I find out so I can feel guilty. The other one you are one is just fine brother.  |
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