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Post by praiseyeshua on Feb 26, 2023 13:47:43 GMT -8
The average person's theology largely revolves around FALSELY claiming Scriptures are directly referencing THEM..... Almost anyone that teaches the Scriptures today use the good character and teachings of others to promote themselves........
I'll give you a clear example.....
Titus 1:5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:
Paul assigned both Titus and Timothy the duty to ordain elders in every city as Paul dictated to them. Needless to say.....that command was fulfilled a very long time ago. However, others have decided to pretend that these words from Paul can be used to currently establish their OWN positions.
If Timothy and Titus were instructed to do this, then how can it be true that someone else can just reference their calling and pretend they have the same demands?
This type of mentality in Christianity needs to stop. Paul didn't tell anyone else to do this..... How can we possibly quote these verses and pretend we have the same instructions?
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Post by Redeemed on Feb 26, 2023 15:44:01 GMT -8
The average person's theology largely revolves around FALSELY claiming Scriptures are directly referencing THEM..... Almost anyone that teaches the Scriptures today use the good character and teachings of others to promote themselves........ I'll give you a clear example..... Titus 1:5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee: Paul assigned both Titus and Timothy the duty to ordain elders in every city as Paul dictated to them. Needless to say.....that command was fulfilled a very long time ago. However, others have decided to pretend that these words from Paul can be used to currently establish their OWN positions. If Timothy and Titus were instructed to do this, then how can it be true that someone else can just reference their calling and pretend they have the same demands? This type of mentality in Christianity needs to stop. Paul didn't tell anyone else to do this..... How can we possibly quote these verses and pretend we have the same instructions? The only remedy that I see to protect oneself in this case would be to abide in Christ and be filled with the holy spirit. If you do that I'm sure God will tell you what he wants you to do and when he wants you to do it. We do have an enemy of our souls that would like to deceive us and make us ineffective in the kingdom of God. That's why you have to know the truth We do that by staying in the word. Since the Bible is God's Word, studying it is a way to know God better. Through His words we come to know not only the nature and attributes of God, but we also come to understand His plan for each of us. In a larger sense, we also come to know God's plan in history, His sovereignty, His providence, His love and more. There is only so much we can learn about God apart from the Bible. But with it we can know God better. Studying the Bible also helps us avoid theological error. The Bible tells us, "Watch your life and doctrine closely" (1 Timothy 4:16), adding that we "must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine" (Titus 2:1 NIV). If the Bible is our authority for faith and life, then the inspired words it contains will help us to avoid error. In a pluralistic world with many religious and non-religious ideas competing for attention, studying the Bible provides us with a firm foundation in God's truth rather than the errors of the world. Knowing the Bible also helps us respond to error and answer questions that skeptics and others may have about it. |
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Post by Theophilus on Mar 23, 2023 12:45:25 GMT -8
I'm claiming this one and making it personal:
Psalm 113
1 Hallelujah! Praise, ye servants of Jehovah, praise the name of Jehovah. 2 Blessed be the name of Jehovah, from this time forth and for evermore! 3 From the rising of the sun unto the going down of the same, let Jehovah’s name be praised. 4 Jehovah is high above all nations, his glory above the heavens. 5 Who is like unto Jehovah our God, who hath placed his dwelling on high; 6 Who humbleth himself to look on the heavens and on the earth? 7 He raiseth up the poor out of the dust; from the dung-hill he lifteth up the needy, 8 To set him among nobles, among the nobles of his people. 9 He maketh the barren woman to keep house, as a joyful mother of sons. Hallelujah!
Man I was so tired of that dung-hill but now...
Romans 8:28-30 And we know [with great confidence] that God [who is deeply concerned about us] causes all things to work together [as a plan] for good for those who love God, to those who are called according to His plan and purpose. 29 For those whom He foreknew [and loved and chose beforehand], He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son [and ultimately share in His complete sanctification], so that He would be the firstborn [the most beloved and honored] among many believers. 30 And those whom He predestined, He also called; and those whom He called, He also justified [declared free of the guilt of sin]; and those whom He justified, He also glorified [raising them to a heavenly dignity].
Thank you Jesus!
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Post by civic on May 10, 2023 7:30:45 GMT -8
The average person's theology largely revolves around FALSELY claiming Scriptures are directly referencing THEM..... Almost anyone that teaches the Scriptures today use the good character and teachings of others to promote themselves........ I'll give you a clear example..... Titus 1:5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee: Paul assigned both Titus and Timothy the duty to ordain elders in every city as Paul dictated to them. Needless to say.....that command was fulfilled a very long time ago. However, others have decided to pretend that these words from Paul can be used to currently establish their OWN positions. If Timothy and Titus were instructed to do this, then how can it be true that someone else can just reference their calling and pretend they have the same demands? This type of mentality in Christianity needs to stop. Paul didn't tell anyone else to do this..... How can we possibly quote these verses and pretend we have the same instructions? I listened to someone from the pulpit recently do this with Isaiah 43:1-5 and make about them personally and then to everyone in the church listening by inserting their own names into the text. I was shocked at such eisegesis of the text. But now, this is what the Lord says— he who created you, Jacob, he who formed you, Israel: “Do not fear, for I have redeemed you; I have summoned you by name; you are mine. 2 When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and when you pass through the rivers, they will not sweep over you. When you walk through the fire, you will not be burned; the flames will not set you ablaze. 3 For I am the Lord your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior; I give Egypt for your ransom, Cush and Seba in your stead.
4 Since you are precious and honored in my sight,
and because I love you,
I will give people in exchange for you,
nations in exchange for your life.
5 Do not be afraid, for I am with you;
I will bring your children from the east
and gather you from the west. |
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Post by 360watt on Jul 16, 2023 16:50:37 GMT -8
Reminds me of 'where two or three are gathered, there I am in the midst of them' in Matthew 18, from Jesus.
Many apply this to Christians gathered anywhere for any purpose.
The context though is resolving sin issues in a NT congregation with a sinning brother. It also a NT revision of the OT process of discipline for Israel in the wilderness.
So now when Christians in a NT church, get two or three in the church together to resolve a sin issue with someone, Jesus blesses it in a special way.
That's the application. Not Christians gathered at a rock concert or randomly at a cafe.
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Post by civic on Jul 16, 2023 17:01:51 GMT -8
Reminds me of 'where two or three are gathered, there I am in the midst of them' in Matthew 18, from Jesus. Many apply this to Christians gathered anywhere for any purpose. The context though is resolving sin issues in a NT congregation with a sinning brother. It also a NT revision of the OT process of discipline for Israel in the wilderness. So now when Christians in a NT church, get two or three in the church together to resolve a sin issue with someone, Jesus blesses it in a special way. That's the application. Not Christians gathered at a rock concert or randomly at a cafe. exactly the context is a wayward brother. |
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Post by dizerner2 on Jul 16, 2023 20:12:16 GMT -8
Yeah, and Psalm 23 was just about King David, not about YOU, LOL.
All these silly Christians eisegeting that the Lord is their Shepherd, LMAO.
Thank God the pious crowd with their great intellects is on call to correct everyone!
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Post by civic on Jul 17, 2023 4:05:35 GMT -8
Yeah, and Psalm 23 was just about King David, not about YOU, LOL. All these silly Christians eisegeting that the Lord is their Shepherd, LMAO. Thank God the pious crowd with their great intellects is on call to correct everyone! The principle of 2 or 3 witnesses is to protect the innocent and convict the guilty. Deuteronomy 19:15 “A single witness shall not suffice against a person for any crime or for any wrong in connection with any offense that he has committed. Only on the evidence of two witnesses or of three witnesses shall a charge be established. Matthew 18:16 But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' John 5 “If I testify about myself, my testimony is not true. 32 There is another who testifies in my favor, and I know that his testimony about me is true. 33 “You have sent to John and he has testified to the truth. 34 Not that I accept human testimony; but I mention it that you may be saved. 35 John was a lamp that burned and gave light, and you chose for a time to enjoy his light. 36 “I have testimony weightier than that of John. For the works that the Father has given me to finish—the very works that I am doing—testify that the Father has sent me. 37 And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, 38 nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent. 39 You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life. 41 “I do not accept glory from human beings, 42 but I know you. I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts. 43 I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. 44 How can you believe since you accept glory from one another but do not seek the glory that comes from the only God? 45 “But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set. 46 If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me. 47 But since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?” 2 Corinthians 13:1 This will be my third visit to you. “Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.” 1 Timothy 5:19 Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses. Jesus taught this principle and applied it to HIMSELF. Paul used this Biblical principle as well with correcting the sinning brother as did Jesus in Matthew 18. It stands up in human courts and the Divine court of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Matthew 18 of often misapplied to say wherever 2 or 3 are gathered together Christ is with them. That applies to bringing a charge against a sinning believer and calling them to repent. You go to them in private first, if they do not repent you bring 2/3 witnesses ( Christ is with you in that decision ) and if they still do not repent you bring them before the congregation. |
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Post by civic on Jul 17, 2023 4:06:24 GMT -8
In the book of Deuteronomy, Moses outlines God’s plan for Israel’s spiritual and community life. Deuteronomy 17:2–13 focuses on Israel’s judicial process, putting systems in place to deal fairly and respectfully with those accused of crimes. One such procedure was to require two or three witnesses for a criminal conviction: “You must not convict anyone of a crime on the testimony of only one witness. The facts of the case must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses” (Deuteronomy 19:15, NLT; see also Numbers 35:30).
One aspect of worshipping the Lord is understanding that His laws are given to safeguard His people, not as punishments. God established rules of justice to prevent unfair, arbitrary, erroneous, or dishonest treatment of an individual. These judicial requirements are known as procedural due process and substantive due process.
Israelites who broke the law, committing evil in the eyes of the Lord, were subject to harsh penalties, but not without careful investigation by leaders of the community. A person had to be proven guilty of a crime through examination and due process before a penalty could be served. Under no circumstances could a matter deserving of the death penalty be decided on the testimony of a single witness: “On the testimony of two or three witnesses a person is to be put to death, but no one is to be put to death on the testimony of only one witness” (Deuteronomy 17:6).
The law requiring two or three witnesses comes into play in 1 Kings 21, when Queen Jezebel hatched a wicked plot to steal a vineyard for her husband, King Ahab. She declared a holiday and invited Naboth, the owner of the vineyard, to sit in a place of honor. All the time behind the scenes, she was orchestrating Naboth’s demise: “Seat two scoundrels opposite him,” she instructed the city leaders, “and have them bring charges that [Naboth] has cursed both God and the king. Then take him out and stone him to death” (1 Kings 21:10). Her murder of Naboth had all the appearances of due process—she made sure there were two witnesses against him, just as the law specified. Jezebel’s trampling of the law—while pretending to honor it—shows the depth of her corruption.
A single party might be able to get away with falsely accusing someone of a crime, but it is much harder for multiple witnesses to conspire to pervert justice. Also, one person could mistakenly misinterpret an act as criminal, but it is far less likely for two or three witnesses to all get it wrong. For this reason, the law required that allegations be evidenced and attested to by no less than two eyewitnesses.
An additional safeguard against falsely convicting someone of a crime was that the witnesses themselves were responsible for initiating the penalty: “The hands of the witnesses must be the first in putting that person to death, and then the hands of all the people. You must purge the evil from among you” (Deuteronomy 17:7). The whole community joined in administering justice, attesting to the corporate character of the covenant family. Evil, crime, and its punishment impacted the entire fellowship. If one Israelite sinned against God, all were liable in one way or another. It was in everyone’s best interest to remove evil from their midst.
God’s primary purpose for implementing judicial procedures was to maintain purity in the covenant community. But another clear intention was to bring about repentance and restoration for the criminal. God’s nature is one of compassion and mercy. He forgives rebellion and sin, but He does not excuse the guilty (Exodus 34:6–7).
The principle of more than one witness recurs in the New Testament. Jewish law recognized that the truth or validity of someone’s claims had to be established by two or three witnesses (John 8:17; Matthew 18:16; 2 Corinthians 13:1). In the church, an accusation against an elder or leader requires two or three witnesses before action is taken (1 Timothy 5:19).
As Jesus went about ministering, the religious leaders questioned the truth of His claims. In His own defense, Christ submitted not two or three witnesses but five: John the Baptist, His own miracles, the Father, the Scriptures, and Moses (John 5:31–47).
“The law of the Lord is perfect, refreshing the soul” (Psalm 19:7). Part of the perfection of God’s law is seen in its preservation of justice and the protections it afforded to those accused of crimes.got ?
hope this helps !!!
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Post by Eleazar on Jul 17, 2023 4:29:27 GMT -8
One aspect of worshipping the Lord is understanding that His laws are given to safeguard His people, not as punishments. God established rules of justice to prevent unfair, arbitrary, erroneous, or dishonest treatment of an individual. These judicial requirements are known as procedural due process and substantive due process. Israelites who broke the law, committing evil in the eyes of the Lord, were subject to harsh penalties, but not without careful investigation by leaders of the community. A person had to be proven guilty of a crime through examination and due process before a penalty could be served. Under no circumstances could a matter deserving of the death penalty be decided on the testimony of a single witness: “On the testimony of two or three witnesses a person is to be put to death, but no one is to be put to death on the testimony of only one witness” (Deuteronomy 17:6). The commitment not to eat pork was a definite safeguard given by the Lord. Because in those days with no refrigeration pork goes bad in 24 hours and if consumed once it goes bad causes a very nasty disease. It's called trichinosis and it causes Inflammation in your brain (encephalitis). Then there's homosexuality which leads to AIDS. So yes when God tells us to do something or not do something it's for our own good. The bad news is with us human beings is we want to be our own god and we want to decide what's good for us. But Jesus is the way and the truth and the life. Like his mother said at the wedding feast "Do whatever he tells you" and he can't go wrong. |
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Post by charismaticlady on Jul 17, 2023 13:15:23 GMT -8
The average person's theology largely revolves around FALSELY claiming Scriptures are directly referencing THEM..... Almost anyone that teaches the Scriptures today use the good character and teachings of others to promote themselves........ I'll give you a clear example..... Titus 1:5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee: Paul assigned both Titus and Timothy the duty to ordain elders in every city as Paul dictated to them. Needless to say.....that command was fulfilled a very long time ago. However, others have decided to pretend that these words from Paul can be used to currently establish their OWN positions. If Timothy and Titus were instructed to do this, then how can it be true that someone else can just reference their calling and pretend they have the same demands? This type of mentality in Christianity needs to stop. Paul didn't tell anyone else to do this..... How can we possibly quote these verses and pretend we have the same instructions? Have you ever been reading and received a rhema? That is what might have happened, and if so, then yes, they could claim it. |
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Post by charismaticlady on Jul 17, 2023 13:18:27 GMT -8
One aspect of worshipping the Lord is understanding that His laws are given to safeguard His people, not as punishments. God established rules of justice to prevent unfair, arbitrary, erroneous, or dishonest treatment of an individual. These judicial requirements are known as procedural due process and substantive due process. Israelites who broke the law, committing evil in the eyes of the Lord, were subject to harsh penalties, but not without careful investigation by leaders of the community. A person had to be proven guilty of a crime through examination and due process before a penalty could be served. Under no circumstances could a matter deserving of the death penalty be decided on the testimony of a single witness: “On the testimony of two or three witnesses a person is to be put to death, but no one is to be put to death on the testimony of only one witness” (Deuteronomy 17:6). The commitment not to eat pork was a definite safeguard given by the Lord. Because in those days with no refrigeration pork goes bad in 24 hours and if consumed once it goes bad causes a very nasty disease. It's called trichinosis and it causes Inflammation in your brain (encephalitis). Then there's homosexuality which leads to AIDS. So yes when God tells us to do something or not do something it's for our own good. The bad news is with us human beings is we want to be our own god and we want to decide what's good for us. But Jesus is the way and the truth and the life. Like his mother said at the wedding feast "Do whatever he tells you" and he can't go wrong. But if you cook pork correctly and thoroughly it is good for you. And if you undercook Turkey it can kill you! |
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Post by Truther on Jul 17, 2023 16:13:40 GMT -8
The average person's theology largely revolves around FALSELY claiming Scriptures are directly referencing THEM..... Almost anyone that teaches the Scriptures today use the good character and teachings of others to promote themselves........ I'll give you a clear example..... Titus 1:5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee: Paul assigned both Titus and Timothy the duty to ordain elders in every city as Paul dictated to them. Needless to say.....that command was fulfilled a very long time ago. However, others have decided to pretend that these words from Paul can be used to currently establish their OWN positions. If Timothy and Titus were instructed to do this, then how can it be true that someone else can just reference their calling and pretend they have the same demands? This type of mentality in Christianity needs to stop. Paul didn't tell anyone else to do this..... How can we possibly quote these verses and pretend we have the same instructions? The NT is our guide to salvation. Acts 2:38 was to a different group of 2000 years ago, but is still the same command for every sinner today.... 37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Is this thread trying to debunk Acts 2:38? Just curious. |
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Post by Eleazar on Jul 18, 2023 10:09:55 GMT -8
The commitment not to eat pork was a definite safeguard given by the Lord. Because in those days with no refrigeration pork goes bad in 24 hours and if consumed once it goes bad causes a very nasty disease. It's called trichinosis and it causes Inflammation in your brain (encephalitis). Then there's homosexuality which leads to AIDS. So yes when God tells us to do something or not do something it's for our own good. The bad news is with us human beings is we want to be our own god and we want to decide what's good for us. But Jesus is the way and the truth and the life. Like his mother said at the wedding feast "Do whatever he tells you" and he can't go wrong. But if you cook pork correctly and thoroughly it is good for you. And if you undercook Turkey it can kill you! The post was taking about raw pork and how fast it goes bad with out proper refrigeration. So the danger happens at that point. You are absolutely correct if you cook pork before it goes bad there's nothing wrong with it at all. Did God knew they didn't have refrigeration and eating pork would be extremely detrimental to them? Therefore? He made a law Leviticus 11:7 against eating it. It wasn't good for them it was unclean. Today is a whole different story. Attachments:
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