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Post by Bronson on Jun 7, 2023 14:36:06 GMT -8
The word antinomianism comes from two Greek words, anti, meaning "against"; and nomos, meaning "law." Antinomianism means “against the law.” Theologically, antinomianism is the belief that there are no moral laws God expects Christians to obey. Antinomianism takes a biblical teaching to an unbiblical conclusion. The biblical teaching is that Christians are not required to observe the Old Testament Law as a means of salvation. When Jesus Christ died on the cross, He fulfilled the Old Testament Law (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23-25; Ephesians 2:15). The unbiblical conclusion is that there is no moral law God expects Christians to obey.
The apostle Paul dealt with the issue of antinomianism in Romans 6:1-2, “What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?” The most frequent attack on the doctrine of salvation by grace alone is that it encourages sin. People may wonder, “If I am saved by grace and all my sins are forgiven, why not sin all I want?” That thinking is not the result of true conversion because true conversion yields a greater desire to obey, not a lesser one. God’s desire—and our desire when we are regenerated by His Spirit—is that we strive not to sin. Out of gratitude for His grace and forgiveness, we want to please Him. God has given us His infinitely gracious gift in salvation through Jesus (John 3:16; Romans 5:8). Our response is to consecrate our lives to Him out of love, worship, and gratitude for what He has done for us (Romans 12:1-2). Antinomianism is unbiblical in that it misapplies the meaning of God’s gracious favor.
A second reason that antinomianism is unbiblical is that there is a moral law God expects us to obey. First John 5:3 tells us, “This is love for God: to obey His commands. And His commands are not burdensome.” What is this law God expects us to obey? It is the law of Christ – “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments” (Matthew 22:37-40). No, we are not under the Old Testament Law. Yes, we are under the law of Christ. The law of Christ is not an extensive list of legal codes. It is a law of love. If we love God with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength, we will do nothing to displease Him. If we love our neighbors as ourselves, we will do nothing to harm them. Obeying the law of Christ is not a requirement to earn or maintain salvation. The law of Christ is what God expects of a Christian.
Antinomianism is contrary to everything the Bible teaches. God expects us to live a life of morality, integrity, and love. Jesus Christ freed us from the burdensome commands of the Old Testament Law, but that is not a license to sin. Rather, it is a covenant of grace. We are to strive to overcome sin and cultivate righteousness, depending on the Holy Spirit to help us. The fact that we are graciously freed from the demands of the Old Testament Law should result in our living our lives in obedience to the law of Christ. First John 2:3-6 declares, “We know that we have come to know Him if we obey His commands. The man who says, ‘I know Him,’ but does not do what He commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys His word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in Him: Whoever claims to live in Him must walk as Jesus did.”
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Post by Theophilus on Jun 12, 2023 9:19:03 GMT -8
Fulfilling the Law Through Love
8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. Romans 13:8-14
You could preach a three-point sermon from the above text.
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Post by Theophilus on Jun 12, 2023 9:23:40 GMT -8
James 2:8-9 If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well:… 1. The law which is here called royal is the law of love and righteousness, prescribing what duty to every one pertaineth, and it containeth that part of the law which in the second table is delivered, teaching us to love without contemning, to prefer one without disdain of another, to regard the rich without neglect of the poor brethren. 2. This law of love is therefore called the royal law — (1) Because it is from a king, not mortal but immortal: even the King of kings and Lord of lords, even from God. 3. This law, furthermore, is called royal because it is like the king's highway. So the law of God, which is the law of love, is open, plain, without turnings, of all men to be done. 4. The law of love being this royal law, and for these causes so called, it enjoineth men to love their neighbours as themselves. (1) That God's law requireth love, who readeth the Scriptures and seeth not? (2) The persons whom we must love are our neighbours, "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." (3) The manner how we must love is, as ourselves. And every man unfeignedly, fervently, continually loveth himself, so must we also love our neighbours. (R. Turnbull.) Dig Deeper |
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Post by dizerner2 on Jul 6, 2023 2:47:00 GMT -8
I would be interested how anyone would describe the difference between justification by faith alone, and how that differentiates from their view of antinomian. I think the idea is never really fleshed out fully and everyone just has a fuzzy intuitive idea that antinomian means you think sin is "okay." Under certain definitions I think many would label me this, because I truly believe the Bible when it says Christ is the end of the Law, I am dead to the Law, I am freed from the Law, because the Law kills, the Law brings wrath, the Law manifests sin, and the Law condemns. This is, however, not "anti" Law, for it is, in fact, revering the Law so deeply for its purpose and its unattainable status.
Being able to sin and still go to heaven, certainly does not equate to it being "okay" to sin, depending on how you define "okay"—allowable, yes; profitable, no. If we really think that we are, really and positively saved by grace alone, then the amount of sin is not really the issue—or we are engaging in logical contradictions, paradoxes, doublespeak, cognitive dissonance, etc. But even though we might recognize heaven can not be obtained on the basis of merit, this logically does not demand the "free grace" position, nor any form of eternal security. Things like OSAS Lordship Salvation are a weird hybrid animal, and it's tenants seem deeply unaware of the contradictions laden within it. Although we might admit we can't "out-sin" the Cross, we can still recognize that there are non-meritorious requirements to maintain salvation based on something other than earning heaven. peace
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Post by civic on Jul 6, 2023 3:43:43 GMT -8
Galatians 6:2 states, “Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ” (emphasis added). What exactly is the law of Christ, and how is it fulfilled by carrying each other’s burdens? While the law of Christ is also mentioned in 1 Corinthians 9:21, the Bible nowhere specifically defines what precisely is the law of Christ. However, most Bible teachers understand the law of Christ to be what Christ stated were the greatest commandments in Mark 12:28–31, “‘Which commandment is the most important of all?’ Jesus answered, ‘The most important is, “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.” The second is this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” There is no other commandment greater than these.’” James calls it the Royal law of love.
And like Paul I say shall we continue in sin that grace might abound , may it never be ! Romans 6:1. We are Gods workmanship created in Christ Jesus to do good world which He has prepared for us that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:10
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Post by civic on Jul 6, 2023 4:01:35 GMT -8
The law of Christ, then, is to love God with all of our being and to love our neighbors as we love ourselves. In Mark 12:32–33, the scribe who asked Jesus the question responds with, “To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.” In this, Jesus and the scribe agreed that those two commands are the core of the entire Old Testament Law. All of the Old Testament Law can be placed in the category of “loving God” or “loving your neighbor.”
Various New Testament scriptures state that Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament Law, bringing it to completion and conclusion (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23–25; Ephesians 2:15). In place of the Old Testament Law, Christians are to obey the law of Christ. Rather than trying to remember the over 600 individual commandments in the Old Testament Law, Christians are simply to focus on loving God and loving others. If Christians would truly and wholeheartedly obey those two commands, we would be fulfilling everything that God requires of us.
Christ freed us from the bondage of the hundreds of commands in the Old Testament Law and instead calls on us to love. First John 4:7–8 declares, “Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.” First John 5:3 continues, “This is love for God: to obey His commands. And His commands are not burdensome.”
Some use the fact that we are not under the Old Testament Law as an excuse to sin. The apostle Paul addresses this very issue in Romans. “What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!” (Romans 6:15). For the follower of Christ, the avoidance of sin is to be accomplished out of love for God and love for others. Love is to be our motivation. When we recognize the value of Jesus’ sacrifice on our behalf, our response is to be love, gratitude, and obedience. When we understand the sacrifice Jesus made for us and others, our response is to be to follow His example in expressing love to others. Our motivation for overcoming sin should be love, not a desire to legalistically obey a series of commandments. We are to obey the law of Christ because we love Him, not so that we can check off a list of commands that we successfully obeyed.got?
hope this helps !!!
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Post by dizerner2 on Jul 6, 2023 11:45:31 GMT -8
This was suppose to be the antinomian forum, sorry it was late, lol.
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Post by dizerner2 on Jul 6, 2023 11:47:11 GMT -8
Galatians 6:2 states, “Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ” (emphasis added). What exactly is the law of Christ, and how is it fulfilled by carrying each other’s burdens? While the law of Christ is also mentioned in 1 Corinthians 9:21, the Bible nowhere specifically defines what precisely is the law of Christ. However, most Bible teachers understand the law of Christ to be what Christ stated were the greatest commandments in Mark 12:28–31, “‘Which commandment is the most important of all?’ Jesus answered, ‘The most important is, “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.” The second is this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” There is no other commandment greater than these.’” James calls it the Royal law of love. And like Paul I say shall we continue in sin that grace might abound , may it never be ! Romans 6:1. We are Gods workmanship created in Christ Jesus to do good world which He has prepared for us that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:10
So here's a question then:
Do you have to keep the Law of Christ to go to heaven?
It says "so fulfill" but it does not seem to say "to be worthy of heaven."
Also, I would point out this just collapses the Law of Christ into the moral Law of Moses, since Christ told us Moses' Law was essentially the same core.
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Post by dizerner2 on Jul 6, 2023 11:54:56 GMT -8
The law of Christ, then, is to love God with all of our being and to love our neighbors as we love ourselves. In Mark 12:32–33, the scribe who asked Jesus the question responds with, “To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.” In this, Jesus and the scribe agreed that those two commands are the core of the entire Old Testament Law. All of the Old Testament Law can be placed in the category of “loving God” or “loving your neighbor. hope this helps !!!
The logical implication here, it seems to me, is that the OT ceremonial or legalistic commands were somehow "bad" and Jesus comes and frees us from the "badness" of its bondage. Yet Paul calls the Law holy, and just, and good, and does not say "just the essential moral Law." If God commands a thing, it is always good—it is not bad.
So that means EVERY OT Law, no matter how much "bondage" one feels it results in, was a good thing. To separate out "love" as different than "doing what God says" seem to violate the idea that love is obedient, right? If God commands a thing, then it would be an expression of loving God to do what God said, right?
So how do you separate out the nondescript concept of feel-good "love" from obedience to OT commands? The only way you could, is to say God did not really command those things, the OT Law was a mistake, that Jesus came to correct.
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Post by dizerner2 on Jul 6, 2023 11:57:00 GMT -8
Can someone move this to antinomian, thanks.
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Post by forgiven on Jul 6, 2023 11:57:00 GMT -8
I would be interested how anyone would describe the difference between justification by faith alone, and how that differentiates from their view of antinomian. I think the idea is never really fleshed out fully and everyone just has a fuzzy intuitive idea that antinomian means you think sin is "okay." Under certain definitions I think many would label me this, because I truly believe the Bible when it says Christ is the end of the Law, I am dead to the Law, I am freed from the Law, because the Law kills, the Law brings wrath, the Law manifests sin, and the Law condemns. This is, however, not "anti" Law, for it is, in fact, revering the Law so deeply for its purpose and its unattainable status.
Being able to sin and still go to heaven, certainly does not equate to it being "okay" to sin, depending on how you define "okay"—allowable, yes; profitable, no. If we really think that we are, really and positively saved by grace alone, then the amount of sin is not really the issue—or we are engaging in logical contradictions, paradoxes, doublespeak, cognitive dissonance, etc. But even though we might recognize heaven can not be obtained on the basis of merit, this logically does not demand the "free grace" position, nor any form of eternal security. Things like OSAS Lordship Salvation are a weird hybrid animal, and it's tenants seem deeply unaware of the contradictions laden within it.
Although we might admit we can't "out-sin" the Cross, we can still recognize that there are non-meritorious requirements to maintain salvation based on something other than earning heaven.
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its not justified by faith alone its by Grace by faith and the Blood would you like scripture paul says by grace through faith. as per antinomian it was a first of me even seeing this word no we are not free from the moral laws Being able to sin and still go to heaven..do you sin?  ?? as Christians we have a advocate might i add our salvation is kept by the power of God . true osas is not that bad of teaching if taught right ..how ever we really are only saved once.. it does not say ye must be born again over and over , Christians as i stated have a advocate and we can repent |
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Post by forgiven on Jul 6, 2023 12:06:26 GMT -8
The law of Christ, then, is to love God with all of our being and to love our neighbors as we love ourselves. In Mark 12:32–33, the scribe who asked Jesus the question responds with, “To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.” In this, Jesus and the scribe agreed that those two commands are the core of the entire Old Testament Law. All of the Old Testament Law can be placed in the category of “loving God” or “loving your neighbor. hope this helps !!!
The logical implication here, it seems to me, is that the OT ceremonial or legalistic commands were somehow "bad" and Jesus comes and frees us from the "badness" of its bondage. Yet Paul calls the Law holy, and just, and good, and does not say "just the essential moral Law." If God commands a thing, it is always good—it is not bad.
So that means EVERY OT Law, no matter how much "bondage" one feels it results in, was a good thing. To separate out "love" as different than "doing what God says" seem to violate the idea that love is obedient, right? If God commands a thing, then it would be an expression of loving God to do what God said, right?
So how do you separate out the nondescript concept of feel-good "love" from obedience to OT commands? The only way you could, is to say God did not really command those things, the OT Law was a mistake, that Jesus came to correct.
the law itself was good as it was our teacher till Christ came.. law points to sin romans 8 paul wrote the law was weak through the flesh. in other words its not so much the law but the person trying to keep the law. the law is also Holy and 1 Timothy 1:9 King James Version 9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, law has its place but not replacement |
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Post by civic on Jul 6, 2023 12:36:34 GMT -8
Galatians 6:2 states, “Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ” (emphasis added). What exactly is the law of Christ, and how is it fulfilled by carrying each other’s burdens? While the law of Christ is also mentioned in 1 Corinthians 9:21, the Bible nowhere specifically defines what precisely is the law of Christ. However, most Bible teachers understand the law of Christ to be what Christ stated were the greatest commandments in Mark 12:28–31, “‘Which commandment is the most important of all?’ Jesus answered, ‘The most important is, “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.” The second is this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” There is no other commandment greater than these.’” James calls it the Royal law of love. And like Paul I say shall we continue in sin that grace might abound , may it never be ! Romans 6:1. We are Gods workmanship created in Christ Jesus to do good world which He has prepared for us that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:10
So here's a question then:
Do you have to keep the Law of Christ to go to heaven?
It says "so fulfill" but it does not seem to say "to be worthy of heaven."
Also, I would point out this just collapses the Law of Christ into the moral Law of Moses, since Christ told us Moses' Law was essentially the same core.
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Post by civic on Jul 6, 2023 12:37:34 GMT -8
This was suppose to be the antinomian forum, sorry it was late, lol. . |
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Post by Admin on Jul 6, 2023 14:25:02 GMT -8
This was suppose to be the antinomian forum, sorry it was late, lol. How does it look now? If not right, I can give it another shot |
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