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Post by dizerner2 on Jul 6, 2023 16:55:35 GMT -8
it's fine
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Post by civic on Jul 7, 2023 4:47:05 GMT -8
The law of Christ, then, is to love God with all of our being and to love our neighbors as we love ourselves. In Mark 12:32–33, the scribe who asked Jesus the question responds with, “To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.” In this, Jesus and the scribe agreed that those two commands are the core of the entire Old Testament Law. All of the Old Testament Law can be placed in the category of “loving God” or “loving your neighbor. hope this helps !!!
The logical implication here, it seems to me, is that the OT ceremonial or legalistic commands were somehow "bad" and Jesus comes and frees us from the "badness" of its bondage. Yet Paul calls the Law holy, and just, and good, and does not say "just the essential moral Law." If God commands a thing, it is always good—it is not bad.
So that means EVERY OT Law, no matter how much "bondage" one feels it results in, was a good thing. To separate out "love" as different than "doing what God says" seem to violate the idea that love is obedient, right? If God commands a thing, then it would be an expression of loving God to do what God said, right?
So how do you separate out the nondescript concept of feel-good "love" from obedience to OT commands? The only way you could, is to say God did not really command those things, the OT Law was a mistake, that Jesus came to correct.
I would say the newly born again believer has a new heart, a new mind that loves Jesus and desires to please and obey Him. Much like I do my wife and desire to make her happy not miserable by treating her well, loving her well and doing the things that please her by my actions that match my words . If I say I love her when we have our disagreements she says show me |
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Post by arial on Jul 7, 2023 7:59:51 GMT -8
I would be interested how anyone would describe the difference between justification by faith alone, and how that differentiates from their view of antinomian. I think the idea is never really fleshed out fully and everyone just has a fuzzy intuitive idea that antinomian means you think sin is "okay." Under certain definitions I think many would label me this, because I truly believe the Bible when it says Christ is the end of the Law, I am dead to the Law, I am freed from the Law, because the Law kills, the Law brings wrath, the Law manifests sin, and the Law condemns. This is, however, not "anti" Law, for it is, in fact, revering the Law so deeply for its purpose and its unattainable status.
Being able to sin and still go to heaven, certainly does not equate to it being "okay" to sin, depending on how you define "okay"—allowable, yes; profitable, no. If we really think that we are, really and positively saved by grace alone, then the amount of sin is not really the issue—or we are engaging in logical contradictions, paradoxes, doublespeak, cognitive dissonance, etc. But even though we might recognize heaven can not be obtained on the basis of merit, this logically does not demand the "free grace" position, nor any form of eternal security. Things like OSAS Lordship Salvation are a weird hybrid animal, and it's tenants seem deeply unaware of the contradictions laden within it. Although we might admit we can't "out-sin" the Cross, we can still recognize that there are non-meritorious requirements to maintain salvation based on something other than earning heaven. peace
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Post by arial on Jul 7, 2023 8:12:31 GMT -8
Antinomianism is the idea that since we have faith and are justified, and sin can no longer condemn us as we have the righteousness of Christ counted to us, that sin is of no consequence. Being united with Christ produces a desire for righteousness---it is the fruit of the Vine we are in. It does not produce perfect righteousness as we still have our sin nature. It does produce recognition of what is sin against a holy God, and repentance when we fail. This recognition of what is sin and what we owe to God as His creation, created in His image and likeness, is given to us in His word. We are gradually sanctified as we learn and grow, but will never reach perfection this side of heaven.
Sin of course does bare its own consequences. We will reap what we sow. But we are saved by the person and work of Jesus, and faith in this, from unrighteousness to righteousness. It is the righteousness before God with which we were created and for what we were intended, that was lost in the fall. In Adam. In Christ that righteousness is being restored and is in a sense restored now as to our standing before God. And will meet its fullness in due time, when our corruption puts on incorruption---the old fallen nature gone.
Anyone who says they are in Christ and therefore continues in a lifestyle of unrepentant sin, while there Savior metaphorically sits on a shelf, is not in Christ at all.
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Post by civic on Jul 8, 2023 7:35:59 GMT -8
Antinomianism is the idea that since we have faith and are justified, and sin can no longer condemn us as we have the righteousness of Christ counted to us, that sin is of no consequence. Being united with Christ produces a desire for righteousness---it is the fruit of the Vine we are in. It does not produce perfect righteousness as we still have our sin nature. It does produce recognition of what is sin against a holy God, and repentance when we fail. This recognition of what is sin and what we owe to God as His creation, created in His image and likeness, is given to us in His word. We are gradually sanctified as we learn and grow, but will never reach perfection this side of heaven. Sin of course does bare its own consequences. We will reap what we sow. But we are saved by the person and work of Jesus, and faith in this, from unrighteousness to righteousness. It is the righteousness before God with which we were created and for what we were intended, that was lost in the fall. In Adam. In Christ that righteousness is being restored and is in a sense restored now as to our standing before God. And will meet its fullness in due time, when our corruption puts on incorruption---the old fallen nature gone. Anyone who says they are in Christ and therefore continues in a lifestyle of unrepentant sin, while there Savior metaphorically sits on a shelf, is not in Christ at all. Agreed ! |
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