Post by praiseyeshua on Jul 21, 2023 11:11:58 GMT -8
This is a typical debate tactic from someone that assumes their position is "lock step" with reality. You're "begging the question". You can not establish that God's "actual" GOOD PLEASURE is the "one and the same" with the doctrinal position presented by many Calvinist. There are actual Calvinist that don't mind properly recognizing secondary cause. You're creating a "circular" argument by assuming your view of "God's Good Pleasure" is accurate. It is not.
YOU can do MORE than you're doing for God. All of us can. Appealing to culpability of God in OUR LACK of effort is evil. You're using "God's good name" to sell your position and then appeal to an argument of ambiguity to establish such.
I've never said anything to contrary to the statement "God WILL accomplish everything "HE"... set out to do. Absolutely. The problem is... You say God DOES EVERYTHING. He does not.
This does not make man's MISTAKES.... God's mistakes. NOR does it make man's INTENT..... God's INTENT. Blaming "God's good pleasure for bad times and the resulting reality in our theology is evil.
I don't assume my view is in lock step with reality, for crying out loud! I don't care in this what Calvinists say, (nor the Reformed) —I'm doing my best to present what I believe. How in the world do I appeal to God's culpability? Where do I not properly recognize secondary causes? Our lack of effort is indeed OURS! —Where have I said differently? God doesn't make mistakes —where did you get that from what I said? Where did I say man's intent is God's intent? I don't BLAME God's good pleasure for anything! This is ludicrous!
But do you honestly believe that something can happen independently from God causing it to happen? Would ANYTHING have happened, had he not created? Was he ignorant of the resulting facts?
You don't understands the ramifications of what you have said. It is my experience very few people do. People live in houses they themselves did not build. They have no idea how to construct a house if they tried. However, Paul appealed to constructing our house with theological positions appealing to the only foundation that can be laid. Jesus Christ. I believe you need some more time to work through your own theology.