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Post by resurrection33 on Aug 15, 2022 11:36:49 GMT -8
Would heaven be any fun if it didn't include peace of mind?
Does God wave a magic wand, and then suddenly we have peace of mind, or do we, by obeying God, have to achieve it ourselves? Which would be better?
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Post by makesends on Aug 15, 2022 18:59:31 GMT -8
Would heaven be any fun if it didn't include peace of mind? Does God wave a magic wand, and then suddenly we have peace of mind, or do we, by obeying God, have to achieve it ourselves? Which would be better? I have over the years come to a distressing (in one regard) but satisfying and even fun conclusion, that our mental conceptions of things like how it will be in heaven, are heavily weighted in some areas and completely lacking in others. In other words, we are off kilter. Remembering back through the years, (yes, I know not everyone sees things quite the way I do), I've noticed that wherever I spent more than a few weeks, and sometimes even with just a few days, I gained a 'flavor' of a place, particularly if it became home to me. Heaven, I am pretty sure, will have a 'flavor', no doubt in one delightful way familiar, but also in a new way. But I am sure we will find that this is what we were made for. We say that it is our rest, and our home, and it is truly so, but we don't know what it will be like. For example, I have no idea quite what it will mean, that God himself will be our very sustenance, the essence of our existence; we will see that reality is all about him. And pursuing him will be both delight and intense activity, to the extent, I believe, that we would die were he not sustaining us. And even there, as in this life, for the believer, "to me to live is Christ". It is not a matter of us fitting in, in Heaven. It is prepared for us, and we for him. Even stranger is something I have come to believe, that WE are what Christ has gone to prepare —that is, that WE, THE BRIDE OF CHRIST, ARE GOD's DWELLING PLACE. God's home. |
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Post by resurrection33 on Aug 16, 2022 6:56:35 GMT -8
Would heaven be any fun if it didn't include peace of mind? Does God wave a magic wand, and then suddenly we have peace of mind, or do we, by obeying God, have to achieve it ourselves? Which would be better? I have over the years come to a distressing (in one regard) but satisfying and even fun conclusion, that our mental conceptions of things like how it will be in heaven, are heavily weighted in some areas and completely lacking in others. In other words, we are off kilter. Remembering back through the years, (yes, I know not everyone sees things quite the way I do), I've noticed that wherever I spent more than a few weeks, and sometimes even with just a few days, I gained a 'flavor' of a place, particularly if it became home to me. Heaven, I am pretty sure, will have a 'flavor', no doubt in one delightful way familiar, but also in a new way. But I am sure we will find that this is what we were made for. We say that it is our rest, and our home, and it is truly so, but we don't know what it will be like. For example, I have no idea quite what it will mean, that God himself will be our very sustenance, the essence of our existence; we will see that reality is all about him. And pursuing him will be both delight and intense activity, to the extent, I believe, that we would die were he not sustaining us. And even there, as in this life, for the believer, "to me to live is Christ". It is not a matter of us fitting in, in Heaven. It is prepared for us, and we for him. Even stranger is something I have come to believe, that WE are what Christ has gone to prepare —that is, that WE, THE BRIDE OF CHRIST, ARE GOD's DWELLING PLACE. God's home. Interesting. |
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Post by TedT on Aug 25, 2022 16:22:00 GMT -8
Would heaven be any fun if it didn't include peace of mind? Does God wave a magic wand, and then suddenly we have peace of mind, or do we, by obeying God, have to achieve it ourselves? Which would be better? The end result of a fully leavened holiness is that we have peace of mind in that we are no more pulled between options which causes mental distress because we have been trained to only choose the righteous option by harsh discipline, not by any magic wand: Hebrews 12:5-11. Consider also 2 Corinthians 10:6 And having a readiness to avenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled. GOD is absolutely ready to 'avenge all disobedience' by bringing the day of judgement to fruition upon the reprobate weeds, those who are not HIS children but HIS enemies due to their being corrupt, Deuteronomy 32:5, when the obedience of HIS sinful elect, the good but sinful seed, is fully sanctified and they are safe from the judgement causing them harm in their sinfulness. Iow, HE is still waiting for the iniquity of the Amorites to be accepted as full. Genesis 15:16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.Since we know the hatred GOD has for the merest hint of evil such that it is even said HE cannot look upon it, have you considered: IF the iniquity of the Amorites is full enough for judgment, WHO is it not full enough for? Genesis 15:16 But in the fourth generation they (the Israelites) shall come hither (to the Promised Land) again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.Now, the thing that I'd like to repeat is that Israel's return to the Promised Land had to be postponed. My first question is why did it have to be postponed? Was it because the iniquity of the Amorites was not yet full enough for their judgement? Of course not. Okay, then my second question is: who wasn't it full enough for? It should be obvious to anyone who knows anything about the totally defiling nature of just one sin, that the Amorites were full enough of sin in GOD's sight already. So then, just who still looked on their iniquity as not being full yet, that is, as not being bad enough to warrant this judgement, that had to take place before Israel's return?
There was a four generation postponement of GOD's judgement because the Amorites were not yet bad enough in the eyes of the Israelites for the Israelites to be willing to judge them according to the judgement decreed by GOD!Therefore, the Israelites had to stay enslaved in Egypt (the flesh) or wandering in the wilderness (the world) until they became willing to judge the Amorites, that is, until the Israelites became holy (obedient) enough to see them all judged: men, women and children. (See Joshua 6:21; 8:26-27; 10:40) Now, this judgement against the Amorites is typical of the judgement that has to take place before we can inherit the antitypical Promised Land, ie, before GOD's people can enter into the truest millennium. This antitypical judgement has also been postponed because the elect do not yet look on the iniquity of HIS enemies as being bad enough to warrant HIS eternal judgement and wrath on them.Therefore, we too have had to remain in Egypt or wandering in the wilderness if we've been converted, that is, outside of the Promised Land, still waiting until we become holy enough to have all of GOD's enemies (men, women and children, even the ones that look like little wee babies!) “killed”, that is judged and forever exiled to hell. After we are committed fully to HIS judgment of the reprobate as righteous and necessary, then we will look for the judgment eagerly and peacefully, coming into the the joy of Malachi 4:2But for you who fear My name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings, and you will go out and frolic like calves from the stall, 3 [when] you will trample the wicked, for they will be as ashes under the soles of your feet on the day I am preparing, says the LORD of Hosts.; the image that makes the so called holy church cringe with embarrassment and horror, will we ever be free of this world and its suffering. The image of being gathered into our LORD's barn while the tares are gathered and burnt is filled out and the full emotional experience of that event is given in this small verse from Malachi. Joy, better than peace of mind, eh? |
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Post by Aussie Pete on Aug 26, 2022 6:29:22 GMT -8
Would heaven be any fun if it didn't include peace of mind? Does God wave a magic wand, and then suddenly we have peace of mind, or do we, by obeying God, have to achieve it ourselves? Which would be better?Peace is the fruit of the Spirit. How can we not have peace? |
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Post by eleos on Oct 31, 2022 7:15:16 GMT -8
Would heaven be any fun if it didn't include peace of mind? Does God wave a magic wand, and then suddenly we have peace of mind, or do we, by obeying God, have to achieve it ourselves? Which would be better? There won't be any sin in heaven .... can't get any better peace of mind than that. When we are resurrected we will be like Christ .... sinless .... there will be perfect harmony in heaven and on the new earth. |
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Post by TedT on Oct 31, 2022 11:21:11 GMT -8
There won't be any sin in heaven .... can't get any better peace of mind than that. When we are resurrected we will be like Christ .... sinless .... there will be perfect harmony in heaven and on the new earth. Unless there is further rehabilitation in heaven we must be sinless at death...sinless in Christ and sinless in our free will, ie, never choosing a sinful ption by our free will again as our being trained in righteousness is finally finished: Hebrew 12:5-11. |
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Post by makesends on Oct 31, 2022 17:54:44 GMT -8
There won't be any sin in heaven .... can't get any better peace of mind than that. When we are resurrected we will be like Christ .... sinless .... there will be perfect harmony in heaven and on the new earth. Unless there is further rehabilitation in heaven we must be sinless at death...sinless in Christ and sinless in our free will, ie, never choosing a sinful ption by our free will again as our being trained in righteousness is finally finished: Hebrew 12:5-11. Maybe you mean, by, "rehabilitation in heaven", the transformation of our bodies and whatever else is not perfect? We will certainly not achieve perfection on this earth. I don't see in Scripture anything to show any further struggle against sin or imperfection, in Heaven. |
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Post by makesends on Oct 31, 2022 17:59:06 GMT -8
Would heaven be any fun if it didn't include peace of mind? Does God wave a magic wand, and then suddenly we have peace of mind, or do we, by obeying God, have to achieve it ourselves? Which would be better? There's an abundance of peace of mind, even now, in the knowledge that apart from Christ we are nothing. My peace of mind comes from the joy of knowing God is fully satisfied and pleased with what he has decided to do. The thought of me not 'making it' is far secondary to this. I think Heaven will be far beyond even that. Peace of mind will be the result of God himself being our very sustenance and rest and reason for the intense activity we will be engaged in. And he will be satisfied in us. No magic wand. Just the natural result of who God is, and our union with him. |
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Post by TedT on Nov 1, 2022 10:03:09 GMT -8
Maybe you mean, by, "rehabilitation in heaven", the transformation of our bodies and whatever else is not perfect? We will certainly not achieve perfection on this earth. I don't see in Scripture anything to show any further struggle against sin or imperfection, in Heaven. I also don't see anything about further struggle against sin in heaven so I assume we must be purified and holy pre-heaven... But how does no further struggle not contradict the previous phrase: We will certainly not achieve perfection on this earth? |
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Post by eleos on Nov 2, 2022 13:40:25 GMT -8
There won't be any sin in heaven .... can't get any better peace of mind than that. When we are resurrected we will be like Christ .... sinless .... there will be perfect harmony in heaven and on the new earth. Unless there is further rehabilitation in heaven we must be sinless at death...sinless in Christ and sinless in our free will, ie, never choosing a sinful ption by our free will again as our being trained in righteousness is finally finished: Hebrew 12:5-11. no .... because judgement happens in heaven before Jesus returns .... and His reward is with Him ... when He returns the 1st resurrection (of the saved) happens ... and those who died in Christ (earthly death) get new bodies .... the fact that the resurrection of the 1st are the ones that Jesus has applied His blood/righteous to and are therefore are therefore declared sinless. We will be resurrected and be like Him .... sinless. Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Revelation 20:12 King James Bible And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. |
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Post by TedT on Nov 3, 2022 10:17:16 GMT -8
Unless there is further rehabilitation in heaven we must be sinless at death...sinless in Christ and sinless in our free will, ie, never choosing a sinful option by our free will again as our being trained in righteousness is finally finished: Hebrew 12:5-11. no .... because judgement happens in heaven before Jesus returns .... Ummm, the condemnation of the judgement happened before the foundation of the world at the election of some sinners to salvation and the passing over for election of other sinners to judgement for sinning the unforgivable sin. This is reflected in the verse: Jn 3:18 with the world already: Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has ALREADY been condemned, because he has not [ie, never] believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. The actual fulfillment of the judgement, the burning of the weeds comes when the last elect sinful seed repents in full and as perfectly holy, is safe from being pulled up with the weeds Matt 13:27-30, which allows the postponement of the judgement to end and the pulling up to begin. |
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Post by eleos on Nov 3, 2022 14:14:09 GMT -8
Unless there is further rehabilitation in heaven we must be sinless at death...sinless in Christ and sinless in our free will, ie, never choosing a sinful option by our free will again as our being trained in righteousness is finally finished: Hebrew 12:5-11. no .... because judgement happens in heaven before Jesus returns .... Ummm, the condemnation of the judgement happened before the foundation of the world at the election of some sinners to salvation and the passing over for election of other sinners to judgement for sinning the unforgivable sin. This is reflected in the verse: Jn 3:18 with the world already: Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has ALREADY been condemned, because he has not [ie, never] believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. The actual fulfillment of the judgement, the burning of the weeds comes when the last elect sinful seed repents in full and as perfectly holy, is safe from being pulled up with the weeds Matt 13:27-30, which allows the postponement of the judgement to end and the pulling up to begin. *** 2 Peter 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; Acts 17:31 Because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.” 2 Timothy 4:1 I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: At the end of Revelation, Jesus promises, “Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work” (Revelation 22:12). When He comes back, He promises to have a reward (eternal life). This promise requires that judgment will have been decided for what reward each person will receive before He returns. Jesus is in heaven .... judgement takes place there, before His return Revelation 14:6-7 6 And I saw another angel flying through the sky, carrying the eternal Good News to proclaim to the people who belong to this world—to every nation, tribe, language, and people. 7 “Fear God,” he shouted. “Give glory to him. For the time has come when he will sit as judge. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea, and all the springs of water.” Daniel 7:9-10 9 I watched as thrones were put in place and the Ancient One sat down to judge. His clothing was as white as snow, his hair like purest wool. He sat on a fiery throne with wheels of blazing fire, 10 and a river of fire was pouring out, flowing from his presence. Millions of angels ministered to him; many millions stood to attend him. Then the court began its session, and the books were opened. God with His foreknowledge does know who will or will not be saved, but He does not and has not interfere(d) with people's choices and those choices will be judged. The books in heaven will be opened which contain the entire life of every person that has ever lived and will be judged accordingly. John 5:28-29 28 Don’t be so surprised! Indeed, the time is coming when all the dead in their graves will hear the voice of God’s Son, 29 and they will rise again. Those who have done good will rise to experience eternal life, and those who have continued in evil will rise to experience judgment. This is the judgement that happens at His return and the 1st resurrection happens .... later are the saved are in heaven for the 1,000 years then the 2nd resurrection (of the lost happens) and God will destroy them ... this is the final judgement ... the earth and everything in it is destroyed and the Lord makes a new earth and heavens. What happens to the 'righteous group' of resurrected and saved people after Jesus return? Revelation 20:4,6 4 Then I saw thrones, and the people sitting on them had been given the authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony about Jesus and for proclaiming the word of God. They had not worshipped the beast or his statue, nor accepted his mark on their forehead or their hands. They all came to life again, and they reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. For them the second death holds no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him a thousand years. What did Paul say the people of God be doing in heaven for the 1000 years of stage 2 of the judgement? 1 Corinthians 6:1-3 1 When one of you has a dispute with another believer, how dare you file a lawsuit and ask a secular court to decide the matter instead of taking it to other believers! 2 Don’t you realise that someday we believers will judge the world? And since you are going to judge the world, can’t you decide even these little things among yourselves? 3 Don’t you realise that we will judge angels? So you should surely be able to resolve ordinary disputes in this life. |
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Post by eleos on Nov 4, 2022 7:05:15 GMT -8
Would heaven be any fun if it didn't include peace of mind? Does God wave a magic wand, and then suddenly we have peace of mind, or do we, by obeying God, have to achieve it ourselves? Which would be better? God don't wave a magic wand. When one receives Christ as Lord and Savior, the sanctification through the work of the Holy Spirit becomes more and more prevalent and changes in our thinking occurs .... this sanctifying by the Lord continues throughout our earthly lifetime as long as we listen to His promptings. We will indeed mess up here and there .... but He is always there to forgive, pick us up and begin anew. Every day, God gives us the opportunity to make a fresh start and turn over a new leaf. Every day, God extends his mercy to us anew: Lamentations 3:21-23. Every day, as Christians, we are being inwardly renewed: 2 Corinthians 4:16. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 13:31:56 GMT -8
Would heaven be any fun if it didn't include peace of mind? "Fun?" I will suggest being raised incorruptible and immortal, having already been reconciled to our Creator is plenty of fun, and all we need, so concerns like "fun" and "peace of mind" seem a bit non sequitur. Why would heaven not be fun? Why would fun be a measure of heaven? Joy? How is "peace of mind" to be construed for the sake of this op? I have peace of mind now. Why would I think the peace I have would be lesser, different, or better in heaven? Peace is not always a lack of conflict. A person can have peace of mind and be quite ensconced in conflict. If Stephen's response is indicative of a peace of mind, then Stephen had such peace while the rocks were painfully tearing open his skin and breaking his bones. I had a rock break my skull once and I can testify it hurts  ! I say this because it may well be God has further purpose for us in heaven that involves battle and victory. If so, why would I not have peace of mind knowing the Guy who knows how to split atoms and speak things into and out of existence has my immortal back? I'd suggest these are not mutually exclusive conditions. I have peace now because God "waved the wand" of Calvary and that peace is maintained and sustained by my Word-fed walk with the Spirit. My belief is this will improve in all ways possible when I can see, know, and be known fully. Let a little more of the cat out of the bag. What's this inquiry about in more specific terms? |
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! I say this because it may well be God has further purpose for us in heaven that involves battle and victory. If so, why would I not have peace of mind knowing the Guy who knows how to split atoms and speak things into and out of existence has my immortal back?