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Post by gomer on Aug 26, 2022 8:16:00 GMT -8
A general search of the internet I made showed that faith only is accredited to Martin Luther. I am only repeating that general consensus. But it does not matter to me who it is accredited to we know Jesus Christ did not teach such an idea. Jesus Christ taught: believing saves, Jn 8:24 repentance saves, Luke 13:3 confession saves, Mt 10:32-33 baptism saves, Mk 16:16 Note from Christ's own words belief alone will not save the impenitent. Belief alone cannot save those who refuse to confess Him. Belief alone cannot save those who are not water baptized for remission of sins. You cited Rom 11:6. The 'works" in the verse refers to works of merit and is not referring to obedience to God. Psul already spoke of "obedience unto righteousness" and how those Romans "obeyed from the heart" then freed from sin/justified. In Rom 2 Paul spoke of the need to obey in repenting to be saved, in Rom 10 obey by confessing to be saved. As a matter of fact, the immediate context of Rom 11:6 cannot refer to obedience for we see from the context God's people have always been those who OBEYED Him. In OT times those who were God's people were the ones who obeyed by not bowing to Baal (v4) and God's people in this present time are those who obey the gospel (v5) (see also 2 Thess 1:8). That "remnant" of Jews were the 3000 from Acts 2 who obeyed God by repenting and being baptized. Out of all the Jews, just that small remnant who obeyed God were God's people by election of grace of the NT not by flawless works of merit as required by the OT law of Moses (v6). That thinking came from the Roman Catholic Church. If your going to rely on the internet to determine the most important subject you will ever have to make a decision on (eternal life) then I am seriously worried my friend. The history of the world shows that the truth is not something that most people agree on. The crouwd or the masses is usually a false truth, a half truth or no truth at all. Wide is the gate to destruction and many there are that go through. Why did Jesus fail to mention to nicodemus that he needed to be saved in John 3. Why did he fail to mention it is John 4, 5 6 or any other place. Why did he fail to mention it in the same conversation in another gospel, but only mentions it in the controversial ending of mark 16? If baptism was so important. You would think (I would anyway) that Jesus mentions it more than one time.. especially since he gave the gospel hundreds of times. Water baptism will not give you redemption of sins my friend, If water baptism is required them all OT believers will go to hell. Because ex crept for the priests and a gentile who wanted to be immersed into the judean faith. None of them were baptised. Salvation has not changed. Abraham was saved because he believed God. Noah was saved because he believed God. There wrks were a byproduct of their salvation. Not a precurser to their salvation. Amen works are works of merit. You my friend are trying to MERIT salvation by being water baptism and obeying other commands. Your following a catholic/jewish tradition of salvation by self righteous deeds.. Which will be rejected by God as a means of why you will be saved. There is only one work God will accept as payment for your sins, and that is Christs. I quoted from the Bible, not Catholicism. From the text of Rom 11 God's people have always been those who obeyed Him....from the OT those who obeyed by not bowing to Baal, their obedience was not a work of merit. Those now who obey the gospel, as the remnant Jews who obeyed Acts 2:38, are God's people. And those Jews obedience to Acts 2:38 is not a work of merit. Clearly then the 'works' of Rom 11:6 cannot refer to obedience to God's will. Those who try and call obedience to God a work of merit will not have an accurate understanding of NT salvation. Obedience to God's will is not anywhere in the Bible called a "self-righteous deed". Noah building the ark was not a self righteous. Obedience to God is doing RIGHTEOUSNESS . You will have to find another line of argument for calling obedience a 'self-righteous deed' cannot be found in the Bible. For those who lived under the OT law, they did not have the blood of Christ to remit all their sins, they just the blood of bulls and goats that could not take away sins (Heb 10:1-3). So there was not, could not be a baptism for remission of sins under the OT law that was BEFORE Christ's death as their is today under the NT that is AFTER Christ's death. Those who lived under the OT law will be judged by that law and those who had a faithful obedience to that law had their sins remitted when Christ did die for His blood flowed backwards remitting the sins of those faithful OT characters (Heb 9:15). Again, please point out the verse where obeying God's will is called a self righteous deed. Did Jesus learn 'self righteous deeds' by the things which He suffered (Heb 5:8)? |
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Post by gomer on Aug 26, 2022 8:19:08 GMT -8
The Bible teaches on must obey Christ to be saved (Heb 5:9). Nowhere does the Bible teach disobedience saves and one is either obeying or disobeying God, no other option. As you point out, the word "legalism" came about to call those who reject "faith only". Hence if I don't believe as you then that makes me a "legalist". Again from the OP "It (legalism) means whatever the person who is using the term thinks it means, or wants it to mean. But that’s not how communication is accomplished. We communicate when we both use words that we understand in the same way. When someone uses a word (like “legalism”) in a way that they alone define, then they are not actually communicating anything." No one who ever obeyed God, OT or NT, was called a legalist for obeying God..." Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he." this did not make Noah a legalist for following all God commanded him but his obedience is what made him righteous...it's why he found grace in God's eyes. If we substitute "legalist" for "obeying" then the Bible reads the following verses read very strangely: Heb 5:9 Christ is the author of salvation unto all who are legalists. Heb 5:8 Christ learned legalism by the things He suffered Rom 6:16 legalism unto righteousness Rom 6:17 but ye have legalism from the heart Rom 16:19 for your legalism has come abroad 1 Pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto legalism and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ Rom 1:5 legalism to the faith It is obvious obedience is not legalism and therefore adds nothing to faith but obedience is part of faith...faith is an obedient work. John made it clear as to how we obey Christ. All the commandments of Christ are condensed into 2 commandments. 1 John 3:22-24 "And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us." We don't go out with the thinking we can please Christ in any other way but by Believing, and Loving one another. It's the Holy Spirit that does the work through us, that is what's pleasing to Christ. Obedience to Christ's commands is NOT legalism. Nor does the Holy Spirit do the work of obeying Christ's commands for us. |
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Post by gomer on Aug 26, 2022 8:31:39 GMT -8
You HAVE to lower Jesus’ commands. You HAVE to change them. Because Jesus said to be perfect and keep the Laws, and even a thought sin makes you worthy of hell. If you lower and change it, how much can you lower and change everything that Jesus says? Where does Jesus SAY you can lower and change his commands? How much do you lower and change them, and how do you justify it? Where does Jesus say “Just doing the best you can is enough.” Some try to say, “Well, if you repent then that makes everything ok.” But even if you can somehow push a “reset” button just by repenting (and I don’t think repentance is enough to make anyone holy, anyone can just say “sorry”), you won’t even have short stretches of perfection, you will be in a constant state of just repenting, and never reach the perfection Christ commands. There are many verses speaking of the Law in a way of WARNING, of danger as a negative and false way to salvation. If a person takes the Bible seriously, they have to set up a whole new system of “Law” that is A-Okay, and make the negative warnings towards the Law something different altogether. They MUST change the meaning of Law so they can explain away all the verses saying we can’t be justified by the Law and we are dead to the Law. Salvation by works is a real error that promotes pride in our achievements instead of simple helpless trust in what Christ did on the Cross. This is something with a real meaning, and something that Galatians said can even cut us off from Christ. The "salvation by works" is a straw man for I have not said nor seen any else on this forum say salvation can be gained by one doing his own works of merit. I have said salvation is gained by obedience to God's will and nowhere ever is obedience to God called a work of merit. Sinless perfection is necessary to be saved, necessary in order to enter heaven for no sin will enter heaven. Yet Christ NEVER required a person to live a sinlessly perfect life for none can. But Christ does require man to have a faithful obedience. Those that do have a faithful obedience in doing as Christ said will be water baptized as Christ said and have all his sins remitted. And as long as one does as Christ says by continuing to walk in the light (1 Jn 1:7) then Christ's blood CONTINUES to wash away all sins and that continual washing away of sins does leave the Christian sinless. Those who have a faithful obedience to Christ are baptized into Christ (Gal 3:27) whereby they put on Christ and by being "in Christ" they are seen by God as perfect being clothed in Christ's perfect righteousness. But it does take OBEDIENCE to Christ for this to happen and nowhere ever is obedience to Christ/God called legalism. |
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Post by michaiah on Aug 26, 2022 8:44:03 GMT -8
gomerYou said: Yes he did. “go, and sin no more.” (John 8:11) “Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.” (John 8:34) You said: And by doing so one commits no sin. “Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?” (Romans 6:16) You said: Not so. “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.” (Hebrews 6:4-6) “For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:26-27)
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Post by charlie24 on Aug 26, 2022 9:33:55 GMT -8
Obedience to Christ's commands is NOT legalism. Nor does the Holy Spirit do the work of obeying Christ's commands for us. It depends on HOW you obey the commandments of Christ as to whether it's legalism or not. Not a single person under the Law kept the Law, only Christ kept it perfectly. With Him keeping the Law, that Law is fulfilled in us through the work of the Holy Spirit through us according to our faith. If you are trying to keep Law or His commandments by your own ability, you will fail, and that is legalism, that is what those under Law were required to do, they did not have the indwelling Holy Spirit to work in them as we do. |
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Post by gomer on Aug 26, 2022 9:46:02 GMT -8
gomer You said: Yes he did. “go, and sin no more.” (John 8:11) “Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.” (John 8:34) You said: And by doing so one commits no sin. “Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?” (Romans 6:16) You said: Not so. “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.” (Hebrews 6:4-6) “For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:26-27) ---Christ did not tell the woman caught in adultery to go and be perfectly sinless for such is not possible. If man could be totally, perfectly sinless then man needs no Saviour and Christ's death was in vain....no need to shed blood to take away man's sins if man has no sins by living perfectly sinless. John 8:11 the present tense of 'sin' means Jesus did not approve of her sin nor order her to be immedialtely punished for her sin but instead told her to go and not continue in sinning, not continue to live in adultery or not continue to live in any other sin. It does not mean absolute perfect sinlessness. Ellicott says of the phrase "sin no more" - " Or, more exactly, and be no longer a sinner"...do not continue to live in sin as a sinner. NIV translates it "Go now and leave your life of sin." Again, no command from Christ for her to go and live absolutely sinlessly perfect. ---a faithful obedience does not bring about a perfectly sinless life. Many examples throughout the Bible of those who live faithfully to God (Abraham, Moses, David, Peter, etc) but they all sinned. John says Christians WILL sin " If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." ---God, Who cannot lie, says if the Christian continues to faithfully walk in the light (1 Jn 1:7) then Christ's blood will continue to wash away ALL sin. --Heb 6:4-6 speaks of those who fall away and CONTINUE to crucify Christ and CONTINUE to put him to an open shame, both verbs "crucify" and "put" are present tense. Christ is the reason one repents yet if one CONTINUES to crucify and CONTINUES to put to shame the reason to repent then repentance would be impossible. Yet if one quits crucifying Christ and quits putting Him to shame then one can come to repentance...... " Both of the expressions “crucify” and “put him to open shame” are present tense participles. In Greek, the present tense has more to do with the type of action, rather than time (the latter being secondary). The present tense represents an action that is in progress, and generally, one that is sustained (see Wallace, 518).The “crucifying” and “putting to open shame,” therefore, represent on-going actions on the part of apostates.As long as ...It is also important to note that present participles normally express action that is contemporary with that of the main verb of the sentence (Wallace, 625), which, in this case is “renew.”In other words, “while they continue to crucify,” “as long as they are crucifying,” etc., the Son of God, they cannot be brought to repentance.Why is this the case? Because Christ is the motive for repentance! How could one possibly repent of falling away from the Christian faith, if he believes that the crucifixion of Jesus was a just sentence upon a false Messiah?As F. F. Bruce expressed it: “Those who repudiate the salvation procured by Christ will find none anywhere else” (149)."www.christiancourier.com/articles/682-are-apostates-from-the-faith-beyond-repentanceWayne Jackson--Heb 10:26-27, those who CONTINUE to reject Christ's sacrifice for sin will not find any other sacrifice for their sins. From Heb 6, those apostates who fall away and CONTINUE to crucify Christ and CONTINUE to put Him to shame will be impossible to renew them for there is no other sacrifice for sins."The case is that of a deliberate apostate - one who has utterly rejected Christ and his atonement, and renounced the whole gospel system. It has nothing to do with backsliders in our common use of that term. A man may be overtaken in a fault, or he may deliberately go into sin, and yet neither renounce the gospel, nor deny the Lord that bought him. His case is dreary and dangerous, but it is not hopeless; no case is hopeless except that of the deliberate apostate, who rejects the whole gospel system, after having been saved by grace, or convinced of the truth of the gospel. To him there remaineth no more sacrifice for sin; for there was but the one, Jesus, and this he has utterly rejected."Adam Clarke |
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Post by gomer on Aug 26, 2022 9:49:34 GMT -8
Obedience to Christ's commands is NOT legalism. Nor does the Holy Spirit do the work of obeying Christ's commands for us. It depends on HOW you obey the commandments of Christ as to whether it's legalism or not. Not a single person under the Law kept the Law, only Christ kept it perfectly. With Him keeping the Law, that Law is fulfilled in us through the work of the Holy Spirit through us according to our faith. If you are trying to keep Law or His commandments by your own ability, you will fail, and that is legalism, that is what those under Law were required to do, they did not have the indwelling Holy Spirit to work in them as we do. There is no legalism in obeying Christ. The Holy Spirit does not obey for Christ man. Man must obey Christ himself and that obedience is never called legalism. |
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Post by eternallygrateful on Aug 26, 2022 10:36:58 GMT -8
That thinking came from the Roman Catholic Church. If your going to rely on the internet to determine the most important subject you will ever have to make a decision on (eternal life) then I am seriously worried my friend. The history of the world shows that the truth is not something that most people agree on. The crouwd or the masses is usually a false truth, a half truth or no truth at all. Wide is the gate to destruction and many there are that go through. Why did Jesus fail to mention to nicodemus that he needed to be saved in John 3. Why did he fail to mention it is John 4, 5 6 or any other place. Why did he fail to mention it in the same conversation in another gospel, but only mentions it in the controversial ending of mark 16? If baptism was so important. You would think (I would anyway) that Jesus mentions it more than one time.. especially since he gave the gospel hundreds of times. Water baptism will not give you redemption of sins my friend, If water baptism is required them all OT believers will go to hell. Because ex crept for the priests and a gentile who wanted to be immersed into the judean faith. None of them were baptised. Salvation has not changed. Abraham was saved because he believed God. Noah was saved because he believed God. There wrks were a byproduct of their salvation. Not a precurser to their salvation. Amen works are works of merit. You my friend are trying to MERIT salvation by being water baptism and obeying other commands. Your following a catholic/jewish tradition of salvation by self righteous deeds.. Which will be rejected by God as a means of why you will be saved. There is only one work God will accept as payment for your sins, and that is Christs. I quoted from the Bible, not Catholicism. From the text of Rom 11 God's people have always been those who obeyed Him....from the OT those who obeyed by not bowing to Baal, their obedience was not a work of merit. Those now who obey the gospel, as the remnant Jews who obeyed Acts 2:38, are God's people. And those Jews obedience to Acts 2:38 is not a work of merit. Clearly then the 'works' of Rom 11:6 cannot refer to obedience to God's will. Those who try and call obedience to God a work of merit will not have an accurate understanding of NT salvation. Obedience to God's will is not anywhere in the Bible called a "self-righteous deed". Noah building the ark was not a self righteous. Obedience to God is doing RIGHTEOUSNESS . You will have to find another line of argument for calling obedience a 'self-righteous deed' cannot be found in the Bible. For those who lived under the OT law, they did not have the blood of Christ to remit all their sins, they just the blood of bulls and goats that could not take away sins (Heb 10:1-3). So there was not, could not be a baptism for remission of sins under the OT law that was BEFORE Christ's death as their is today under the NT that is AFTER Christ's death. Those who lived under the OT law will be judged by that law and those who had a faithful obedience to that law had their sins remitted when Christ did die for His blood flowed backwards remitting the sins of those faithful OT characters (Heb 9:15). Again, please point out the verse where obeying God's will is called a self righteous deed. Did Jesus learn 'self righteous deeds' by the things which He suffered (Heb 5:8)? roman 11: 25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own [opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
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For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable Your context of romans 11 is flawed.. Paul says Israel is to be beloved, concerning the election or promises given to the fathers. The OT will be judged by the same standard you are. Perfection.. If you have not kept that state (no one has) you must rely on the cross.. We are saved by grace period.. |
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Post by charlie24 on Aug 26, 2022 10:50:16 GMT -8
It depends on HOW you obey the commandments of Christ as to whether it's legalism or not. Not a single person under the Law kept the Law, only Christ kept it perfectly. With Him keeping the Law, that Law is fulfilled in us through the work of the Holy Spirit through us according to our faith. If you are trying to keep Law or His commandments by your own ability, you will fail, and that is legalism, that is what those under Law were required to do, they did not have the indwelling Holy Spirit to work in them as we do. There is no legalism in obeying Christ. The Holy Spirit does not obey for Christ man. Man must obey Christ himself and that obedience is never called legalism. A non-legalist is one who believes in faith only for his salvation. A legalist is one who believes faith is not enough, he has to do something to add to that faith. That adding something could be demanding the Law or Commandments must be kept by his own doing, or maybe he must keep the Sabbath perfectly, maybe he has to attend Church regularly, etc, etc, it could be many things. A legalist is NOT depending wholly on Christ for his salvation, there is something he must always do along with his faith. For example, I can say I'm not a legalist! I believe that by Grace through faith in Christ I am justified and sanctified as a born-again Christian, and that alone. My ongoing sanctification is not of my doing anything! Through faith in Christ, the Holy Spirit is working in me to Christlikeness. All I do is what I know is right according to the Scripture, and when the Holy Spirit points out sin (and He will) I drop it. When He opens a door for me to perform good works, I just walk through that door, whatever it may be. Last week I was in Lowes, a guy walks by talking to himself, saying, "Jesus Christ what a mess." I turned and said, "is Jesus the Christ?" He says, "I don't know if there is a Christ." I then began to use scripture explaining to him who the Christ is, why He came to this earth, what He did, and what He is now doing. That was a door the Holy Spirit planned and prepared for me, only me. That's the way He works, that's what He does. Those are not my works, they are His! I just keep my eyes open for the open doors and do what I know He has prepared for me to do, that's all! |
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Post by rickstudies on Aug 26, 2022 17:44:26 GMT -8
There is no legalism in obeying Christ. The Holy Spirit does not obey for Christ man. Man must obey Christ himself and that obedience is never called legalism. A non-legalist is one who believes in faith only for his salvation. A legalist is one who believes faith is not enough, he has to do something to add to that faith. That adding something could be demanding the Law or Commandments must be kept by his own doing, or maybe he must keep the Sabbath perfectly, maybe he has to attend Church regularly, etc, etc, it could be many things. A legalist is NOT depending wholly on Christ for his salvation, there is something he must always do along with his faith. For example, I can say I'm not a legalist! I believe that by Grace through faith in Christ I am justified and sanctified as a born-again Christian, and that alone. My ongoing sanctification is not of my doing anything! Through faith in Christ, the Holy Spirit is working in me to Christlikeness. All I do is what I know is right according to the Scripture, and when the Holy Spirit points out sin (and He will) I drop it. When He opens a door for me to perform good works, I just walk through that door, whatever it may be. Last week I was in Lowes, a guy walks by talking to himself, saying, "Jesus Christ what a mess." I turned and said, "is Jesus the Christ?" He says, "I don't know if there is a Christ." I then began to use scripture explaining to him who the Christ is, why He came to this earth, what He did, and what He is now doing. That was a door the Holy Spirit planned and prepared for me, only me. That's the way He works, that's what He does. Those are not my works, they are His! I just keep my eyes open for the open doors and do what I know He has prepared for me to do, that's all! All that sounds pretty good to me Charlie. |
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Post by rickstudies on Aug 26, 2022 17:48:21 GMT -8
It depends on HOW you obey the commandments of Christ as to whether it's legalism or not. Not a single person under the Law kept the Law, only Christ kept it perfectly. With Him keeping the Law, that Law is fulfilled in us through the work of the Holy Spirit through us according to our faith. If you are trying to keep Law or His commandments by your own ability, you will fail, and that is legalism, that is what those under Law were required to do, they did not have the indwelling Holy Spirit to work in them as we do. There is no legalism in obeying Christ. The Holy Spirit does not obey for Christ man. Man must obey Christ himself and that obedience is never called legalism. You won`t get very far with God unless you try to obey Him. God is kind when you fail but everybody who knows God knows you have to obey Him if you want His help. |
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Aug 27, 2022 1:35:52 GMT -8
Again, please point out the verse where obeying God's will is called a self righteous deed.
I whole- heartedly agree ! Obeying God’s Will is NOT an act of “self-Righteousness”——-But ya gotta know what God’s Will ** IS** —— The Disciples flat-out Asked Jesus what was the “ Will Of God”......At this point in time , Jesus had the Golden Opportunity to “throw all of his cards on the Table”......Jesus could have said to Repent Of All Of your Sins....Jesus could have said Obey all of the Commandments.....He could have said to make sure you get water baptized.....There were thousands of things that He “Could” have said—— yet, the only thing that He **DID** say was This—-“BELIEVE on the One that He sent”.....it worked for me...
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Aug 27, 2022 2:05:30 GMT -8
Paul’s epistles are FILLED with instructions/laws!
You betcha! No doubt about it !
* BUT*——— if you are referring to Salvation,there is only ONE “instruction” that we need to concern ourselves with....
The Instruction to BELIEVE the Gospel—- it's the One Thing That we know FOR SURE that God is going to ask us about and the One Thing That Paul warns us that God is going to JUDGE US by! ( ROM 2:16) ......”On That Day when, according to “MY” GOSPEL , God will judge the secrets of human hearts”
Paul’s Instructions are for Gospel Believing Saints... already Saved men and women...” Icing on the cake”, as it were......given to help Believers live their lives in a way that will please God and allow Him to bestow them with His Assurances and Blessings here on Earth and allow them to accrue Rewards in Heaven.....Be wise and do what Paul admonishes us to do and guess who benefits? Be an unwise Fool, ignore Paul’s instructions and guess who pays the price — down here and in Eternity? We have the Freedom to obey or disobey.....once we are Saved......Always remember.....that “ Salvation” was a Gift....given to ALL that simply BELIEVE Paul’s Gospel That is Found In 1Cor15:2-4.... the one Given to Him personally by Jesus....
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Aug 27, 2022 2:41:29 GMT -8
gomer Thanks for posting that. People should be parroting the words of God, not the words of men. In many discussions regarding ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED it never fails that the pejorative “LEGALIST” will come up by those who have been trained to do so by their earthly masters. Please allow me to “Parrot” this....I cant seem to recall which “earthly master” trained me to quote it—— must have been some Earthly Master That sneaked his way into 1Cor1:8 —— “He will Keep you Free from Reproach, so that you will be Faultless on the Day That Jesus returns”.... or how about, 2Cor1:22 ( some more “ parroting”) .....”He Put His Holy Spirit in our hearts as a *GUARANTEE* Of What is to become”....even a Confused and Bible - Ignorant “ Legalist” should be able to know what a “ Guarantee” is.....Unless their “Satanic Masters” have blinded them to “ that” also..... |
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Post by michaiah on Aug 27, 2022 3:15:23 GMT -8
michaiah said bloodbought1953 said: Must have been J. Vernon McGee… Remember? On another topic thread (Agnostics) you said that he was the one that “brought you back into the faith”. I have heard him before… He’s just another fair speaking man (Romans 16:18) skilled in making the Bible of no effect (Mark 7:13).
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