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Post by Obadiah on Sept 29, 2022 5:40:04 GMT -8
The Law is both good and useful in the Christian life. This immediately does away with the claim and misunderstanding of many Christians that we are so completely delivered from the Law that we have nothing to do with it anymore. Paul says that is not the case. The Law is good and useful, but it has to be used rightly.
The Law is good, of course, because God Himself gave it. The striking thing about the Law is that those Ten Commandments are the only part of the Bible God Himself physically wrote with His own hand. Moses did not write them; Charlton Heston did not write them! They were written by the hand of God on tablets of stone and delivered by angels to Moses on Mount Sinai. In fact, God wrote the Law twice. After the first tablets were broken, Moses returned to the mountain, and God wrote the Law again. That in itself ought to indicate that the Law is important and not to be done away with.
If you look at the Ten Commandments, you discover that they reflect the character and holiness of God. They are an expression of the life of God, both in its outward behavior and its inward attitudes. That is why the Law never will change. The Law represents God's righteous demands for human behavior anywhere on earth. It is even written into the hearts of people who have never heard of the Ten Commandments. That is why most human laws--laws we make for the control of our behavior in city, state, and national government--are based upon, and reflect, the Ten Commandments. So the Law is not going to be done away with. Paul says it is holy, just, and good.
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Post by gomer on Sept 29, 2022 8:06:39 GMT -8
You are not even able to provide a legitimate argument. You are not able to provide a legitimate response to Jesus Saying you must be born again. As long as you falsely try to equate obedience to God's will with a work of merit in trying to earn forgiveness of sins then your arguments have no validity and are Biblically factless. |
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 29, 2022 11:02:48 GMT -8
So the Law is not going to be done away with. Paul says it is holy, just, and good.
So what does one do with verses like these—- “ The Law was Given so that SIN might INCREASE! “.......or ,” By The Law NO Flesh will be Justified” or , in regard to the old Law- Based Covenant , God said that He “ Found FAULT with it”......
The Law has accomplished many good things in the history of Mankind—- Salvation is just not one of them....Salvation is Jesus Plus Nothing—- The Law is what leads you to Him.....We can’t keep the Law, therefore we MUST Have a Savior......We have a Promise from God that says if “ We” Turn to Him, “ He” will Turn to us......yeah, it’s that simple.......Turn to Him as a Lost Sinner ( as the Publican did in Luke 18:9) and HE will take care of the rest.....Just like that Sinful Tax- Collector you will “ go home JUSTIFIED”......Just pray “ God have Mercy on me, a Sinner”........God promises that “ anybody that asks for Mercy shall receive it”...... it worked for me....God Bless.....
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Post by eleos on Sept 29, 2022 11:03:37 GMT -8
The law highlights our weakness so that we might seek the strength found in Christ. Here the law acts as a severe schoolmaster who drives us to Christ. It's like a mirror. the law of God reflects and mirrors the perfect righteousness of God. The law tells us much about who God is. Perhaps more important, the law illumines human sinfulness. Yes ... the law leads us to Christ ... and after we welcome Him into our hearts .... we are led back to the law and given power from the Holy Spirit to help us overcome sin (transgression of the law) |
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 29, 2022 11:19:05 GMT -8
Yes ... the law leads us to Christ ... and after we welcome Him into our hearts .... we are led back to the law and given power from the Holy Spirit to help us overcome sin (transgression of the law)
Lead back to the Law? Why do that when you have something much better to guide you if you are Saved....that “ something” would be the Holy Spirit......If you choose to return to the Law you will be under “ The CURSE of the Law”.......That means that if you attempt to use your performance in regard to the Law to get yourself “ Justified” , your Performance must be Perfect—- 24/7.....That is your “ Curse” ......good luck with that.....
Of course , there is an alternative to Law - Keeping—— it’s called “ Grace”......Reject God's Way Of Salvation, which is Grace through Faith at your own risk......Jesus took care of every aspect of Salvation with His Finished Work Of The Cross.....all anybody has to do to get Saved is to “ Cash-In” on what Jesus has already accomplished * FOR* us......wanna “ Cash-In ?”...... of course you do......simply Believe Paul’s Gospel That was Given to Him by Jesus....Find it in 1Cor 15:1-4......
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Post by yacker on Sept 29, 2022 14:49:01 GMT -8
You are not able to provide a legitimate response to Jesus Saying you must be born again. As long as you falsely try to equate obedience to God's will with a work of merit in trying to earn forgiveness of sins then your arguments have no validity and are Biblically factless. You realize you summed yourself up right? Without the shedding of blood there is no remission, Forgiveness is through Jesus Blood, And its offered by Grace through faith, not of works 1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. John 6 :29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. Getting yourself wet doesn't count, you need a spiritual birth in order to “see the kingdom of God” and it is a work of the Holy Spirit, You don't understand this concept but its offered to whosoever (john 3:16), take you for example you obviously where drawn to learn about the Cross? and the new creation in Christ?, why did you reject it and say no not for me, and not for anyone today, see how it works, its offered freely but not all want it |
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Post by gomer on Sept 30, 2022 4:58:12 GMT -8
As long as you falsely try to equate obedience to God's will with a work of merit in trying to earn forgiveness of sins then your arguments have no validity and are Biblically factless. You realize you summed yourself up right? Without the shedding of blood there is no remission, Forgiveness is through Jesus Blood, And its offered by Grace through faith, not of works 1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. John 6 :29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. Getting yourself wet doesn't count, you need a spiritual birth in order to “see the kingdom of God” and it is a work of the Holy Spirit, You don't understand this concept but its offered to whosoever (john 3:16), take you for example you obviously where drawn to learn about the Cross? and the new creation in Christ?, why did you reject it and say no not for me, and not for anyone today, see how it works, its offered freely but not all want it Salvation is impossible apart from obedience to God's will (2 Thess 1:8; Heb 5:9; Romans 6:15-18; Acts 2:38) and obedience is not a work of merit therefore faith onlyism goes against the entire teachings of the NT. God has commanded men to be water baptized (Acts 2:38; Jn 3:5-7) and submitting to water baptism is not a work of merit but obedience to God's will and salvation is impossible apart from doing God's will, (Matt 7:21)....no entering the kingdom apart from doing the will of God by submitting to water baptism: Jn 3:5-----born of water and Spirit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enter the kingdom Mt 7:21---doeth the will of the Father >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enter the kingdom Since there is but one way to be saved, to enter the kingdom that can only mean being born again involves doing the will of the Father in submitting to water baptism. Being born again involves a work of God in removing the body of sin (Col 2:11-13) yet God only performs this work upon those who do His will per Mt 7:21 by submitting themselves to God in water baptism. Furthermore: "According to the Lord’s declaration in John 3, the goal of the new birth is entrance into the kingdom. This is the same “kingdom of heaven” Christ refers to in Matthew 16:18.
Consider the following logical arguments:
The new birth introduces one into the kingdom (John 3:5). # But the kingdom is the church (Matthew 16:18-19).
Therefore, the new birth introduces one into the church.
It is also clear that the church of the New Testament is likewise clearly identified as the body of Christ. Since the body is the church and the church is the body, we are forced to conclude that the new birth introduces one into the body of Christ.
The new birth introduces one into the church (conclusion above).
But the church is the body (Eph. 1:22-23; Col. 1:18, 24). # Thus, the new birth introduces one into the body.
The New Testament further describes the body, which is the church, as the group of saved individuals.
The new birth introduces one into the body (above).
But the body is the saved (Eph. 5:23).
Therefore, the new birth introduces one into the realm of salvation.
Without the new birth, therefore, one cannot be in the kingdom, the church, the body, or the state of salvation."
www.christiancourier.com/articles/115-what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-born-again-christianTherefore apart from DOING the will of God one cannot be in the kingdom, the church...cannot be in the body of Christ. You fail to understand or simply ignore what the Bible teaches about obedience in doing the will of God. |
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Post by yacker on Oct 14, 2022 16:12:41 GMT -8
Salvation is impossible apart from obedience to God's will (2 Thess 1:8; Heb 5:9; Romans 6:15-18; Acts 2:38) and obedience is not a work of merit therefore faith onlyism goes against the entire teachings of the NT. God has commanded men to be water baptized (Acts 2:38; Jn 3:5-7) and submitting to water baptism is not a work of merit but obedience to God's will and salvation is impossible apart from doing God's will, (Matt 7:21)....no entering the kingdom apart from doing the will of God by submitting to water baptism: Jn 3:5-----born of water and Spirit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enter the kingdom Mt 7:21---doeth the will of the Father >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enter the kingdom Since there is but one way to be saved, to enter the kingdom that can only mean being born again involves doing the will of the Father in submitting to water baptism. Being born again involves a work of God in removing the body of sin (Col 2:11-13) yet God only performs this work upon those who do His will per Mt 7:21 by submitting themselves to God in water baptism. Therefore apart from DOING the will of God one cannot be in the kingdom, the church...cannot be in the body of Christ. You fail to understand or simply ignore what the Bible teaches about obedience in doing the will of God. So to you its not by faith only, to you its water and works, So you align with a catholic? makes sense the stuff you copy and paste doesn't actually agree with what you say tho, but in Christianity in the new testament it teaches you must be a new creation in Christ, Born again child of God, or you are just in a cult playing games going for swims getting yourself wet rubbing beads all these things that don't matter, what matters is as Jesus said , You must be born again |
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Post by yacker on Oct 14, 2022 16:17:48 GMT -8
Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. So If it reflects and mirrors the perfect righteousness of God to you, you should also see you fall far short Jesus reflects the perfect righteousness of God as he proved he was without sin, Also he is the image of the invisible God Colossians 1:15 , And is the exact image of his person Hebrews 1:3 Jesus is the only one that can show us who his Father is, And Grace and truth come by Jesus not through the law, The Law can show a sinner they are dead, Jesus shows us that God is Love and That he gives Life Now if you are in the Light then you can start trying to express the love you feel, but you don't do that by running to the mirror and start trying to see how good you look do you? I think you missed the point as my post Reflects what you're saying. The mirror is a metaphor. met·a·phor [ˈmedəˌfôr, ˈmedəˌfər] NOUN a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable. I was getting used to the site and the reply features at the time and was having a bit of trouble I actually missed your reply as well, I agreed with what you said as well, I guess my point was the Law shows a standard of righteousness but Jesus showed the fullness, like a glimpse and then seeing the real thing |
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Post by civic on Sept 21, 2023 9:28:35 GMT -8
I think you missed the point as my post Reflects what you're saying. The mirror is a metaphor. met·a·phor [ˈmedəˌfôr, ˈmedəˌfər] NOUN a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable. I was getting used to the site and the reply features at the time and was having a bit of trouble I actually missed your reply as well, I agreed with what you said as well, I guess my point was the Law shows a standard of righteousness but Jesus showed the fullness, like a glimpse and then seeing the real thing We have a much better forum now that is easy to navigate. Check it out here Berean Apologetics Ministry Lifting up Jesus berean-apologetics.community.forum |
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