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Post by civic on Aug 7, 2022 5:40:07 GMT -8
Millennialism is the belief in a literal reign of Christ on earth for 1,000 years in the future. The word millennium means “1,000 years”—from mille, the Latin word for “1,000,” and the word annus, Latin for “year.” (M is the Roman numeral for 1,000, it takes 1,000 millimeters to make a meter, 1,000 milliliters to make a liter, etc. A person’s per annum salary is their salary for one year.)
What is often referred to as the “millennial kingdom” is mentioned in Revelation 20:1–7:
“And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
“I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
“When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison” (emphasis added).
This period of 1,000 years is marked by a binding of Satan and the reign of Jesus Christ. When that period of 1,000 years is over, Satan will be released for a short period for a final period of rebellion before the final end of all things.
Much of Christian eschatology (teaching about the “last things”) is couched in terms of a particular view of the millennial kingdom and of when Christ returns in relation to the inauguration of that kingdom.
The postmillennial position interprets Revelation 20 somewhat figuratively and holds that this binding of Satan takes place through the preaching of the gospel and the advance of the church throughout the world. At some point, the world will become predominantly Christian, recognizing Jesus as Lord. Of course, not every individual will be saved, but the worldwide culture will be dominantly Christian, ushering in a golden age of human existence. This golden age will not be based on humanism but on the people and governments of the world making a conscious effort to order things according to the priorities of God’s Word. Christ, though physically absent, will be reigning through His people, and this “golden age” dominance of Christian culture may last for a literal 1,000 years, or that number may figuratively represent a long period of time. At the end, there will be a rebellion, and Christ will return to earth to quash it. The term postmillennial means that Christ will return at the end of the millennial kingdom.
The amillennial position teaches that there is no literal 1,000-year kingdom. The kingdom of God exists right now as Christ reigns as king in the hearts of His people, the church. Satan is bound now, meaning that he cannot prevent the advance of the gospel and the salvation of the elect, but he is still able to wreak havoc in many other areas. The “1,000 years” cannot be literal because it has already been almost 2,000 years since Christ was on earth. The Church may or may not finally “Christianize” the culture of all nations of the world, but the important thing is that the Church lives according to the priorities of God’s Word and proclaims Jesus as Lord. Christ will return one day to quash all rebellion and inaugurate the new heavens and new earth where there is no opportunity for any sin. The position is amillennial because it denies a literal, visible rule of Christ on earth before the new heavens and new earth, but it certainly does not deny the lordship of Christ or His sovereignty over all areas of life.
The premillennial position teaches that Christ will return to earth to inaugurate the millennial kingdom. Despite the best efforts of Christians to take the gospel to the ends of the earth, the world will never be “Christianized,” and culture will continue to grow worse and worse. However, Christ will come and establish His kingdom visibly on earth, and Satan will be bound—unable to have any impact on world affairs. The governments of the nations of the world will submit to Christ, and there will be a “golden age” of human existence. Truth and justice will be the hallmarks of government instead of the self-centeredness and corruption that is common today. However, because there will still be human beings with fallen natures inhabiting the kingdom, there will still be sin and rebellion. At the end of the literal 1,000-year period, Satan will be loosed, and there will be a final rebellion of humanity against Christ. The Lord will put down the rebellion once and for all and usher in a new heaven and new earth where there is no opportunity for any sin.
Those who are looking forward to a future kingdom of 1,000 years’ duration that begins with the return of Christ (premillennialists) are also often referred to as “millennialists.” The term millennialism was in use before the pre-, a-, and post- prefixes were added to the word. In older literature, the position that might be called “premillennialism” today would simply be called “millennialism.” This is the only position that holds to a literal 1,000-year kingdom inaugurated by Christ and characterized by His visible, earthly reign. got questions
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Post by e v e on Aug 8, 2022 7:01:10 GMT -8
I'm not using the quote function as I am still not sure how to use it...
esau has created all these three or more versions that circulate in theology...
(of how things 'end') to keep everyone utterly confused.
Paradise is not on this earth... a deception all those designed versions share..
many believe that He created this earth and this body.
He did not. So all three doors go nowhere, on purpose, to deflect from the actual door...
since all three hinge on that same deception.
Did not Christ say
“You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world."
Literally true, as is all what He Says.
We are not to be of this world.
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Post by civic on Aug 8, 2022 7:08:32 GMT -8
I'm not using the quote function as I am still not sure how to use it...
esau has created all these three or more versions that circulate in theology...
(of how things 'end') to keep everyone utterly confused.
Paradise is not on this earth... a deception all those designed versions share..
many believe that He created this earth and this body.
He did not. So all three doors go nowhere, on purpose, to deflect from the actual door...
since all three hinge on that same deception.
Did not Christ say
“You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world."
Literally true, as is all what He Says.
We are not to be of this world.
This world is not our home we are just passing through 
1-Peter says: I urge you, as foreigners and exiles 2 Pet 2:11
2-Paul says- But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, Eph 2:19
3-Paul once again says-Therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of God's household, Phil 3:20 4-Author of Hebrews- All these people died still believing what God had promised them. They did not receive what was promised, but they saw it all from a distance and welcomed it. They agreed that they were foreigners and nomads here on earth. Heb 11:13
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Post by e v e on Aug 8, 2022 7:32:42 GMT -8
I'm not using the quote function as I am still not sure how to use it...
esau has created all these three or more versions that circulate in theology...
(of how things 'end') to keep everyone utterly confused.
Paradise is not on this earth... a deception all those designed versions share..
many believe that He created this earth and this body.
He did not. So all three doors go nowhere, on purpose, to deflect from the actual door...
since all three hinge on that same deception.
Did not Christ say
“You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world."
Literally true, as is all what He Says.
We are not to be of this world.
This world is not our home we are just passing through
1-Peter says: I urge you, as foreigners and exiles 2 Pet 2:11
2-Paul says- But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, Eph 2:19
3-Paul once again says-Therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of God's household, Phil 3:20 4-Author of Hebrews- All these people died still believing what God had promised them. They did not receive what was promised, but they saw it all from a distance and welcomed it. They agreed that they were foreigners and nomads here on earth. Heb 11:13
yes
thank you
oh I am so new to this forum that I don't even know how to make smilies and
use any of the functions...
haha but let me try and see if this one works
<3
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Post by civic on Aug 8, 2022 8:16:42 GMT -8
This world is not our home we are just passing through
1-Peter says: I urge you, as foreigners and exiles 2 Pet 2:11
2-Paul says- But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, Eph 2:19
3-Paul once again says-Therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of God's household, Phil 3:20 4-Author of Hebrews- All these people died still believing what God had promised them. They did not receive what was promised, but they saw it all from a distance and welcomed it. They agreed that they were foreigners and nomads here on earth. Heb 11:13
yes
thank you
oh I am so new to this forum that I don't even know how to make smilies and
use any of the functions...
haha but let me try and see if this one works
<3
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Post by toml on Aug 8, 2022 8:35:09 GMT -8
Millennialism is the belief in a literal reign of Christ on earth for 1,000 years in the future. The word millennium means “1,000 years”—from mille, the Latin word for “1,000,” and the word annus, Latin for “year.” (M is the Roman numeral for 1,000, it takes 1,000 millimeters to make a meter, 1,000 milliliters to make a liter, etc. A person’s per annum salary is their salary for one year.) What is often referred to as the “millennial kingdom” is mentioned in Revelation 20:1–7: “And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time. “I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years. “When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison” (emphasis added). This period of 1,000 years is marked by a binding of Satan and the reign of Jesus Christ. When that period of 1,000 years is over, Satan will be released for a short period for a final period of rebellion before the final end of all things. Much of Christian eschatology (teaching about the “last things”) is couched in terms of a particular view of the millennial kingdom and of when Christ returns in relation to the inauguration of that kingdom. The postmillennial position interprets Revelation 20 somewhat figuratively and holds that this binding of Satan takes place through the preaching of the gospel and the advance of the church throughout the world. At some point, the world will become predominantly Christian, recognizing Jesus as Lord. Of course, not every individual will be saved, but the worldwide culture will be dominantly Christian, ushering in a golden age of human existence. This golden age will not be based on humanism but on the people and governments of the world making a conscious effort to order things according to the priorities of God’s Word. Christ, though physically absent, will be reigning through His people, and this “golden age” dominance of Christian culture may last for a literal 1,000 years, or that number may figuratively represent a long period of time. At the end, there will be a rebellion, and Christ will return to earth to quash it. The term postmillennial means that Christ will return at the end of the millennial kingdom. The amillennial position teaches that there is no literal 1,000-year kingdom. The kingdom of God exists right now as Christ reigns as king in the hearts of His people, the church. Satan is bound now, meaning that he cannot prevent the advance of the gospel and the salvation of the elect, but he is still able to wreak havoc in many other areas. The “1,000 years” cannot be literal because it has already been almost 2,000 years since Christ was on earth. The Church may or may not finally “Christianize” the culture of all nations of the world, but the important thing is that the Church lives according to the priorities of God’s Word and proclaims Jesus as Lord. Christ will return one day to quash all rebellion and inaugurate the new heavens and new earth where there is no opportunity for any sin. The position is amillennial because it denies a literal, visible rule of Christ on earth before the new heavens and new earth, but it certainly does not deny the lordship of Christ or His sovereignty over all areas of life. The premillennial position teaches that Christ will return to earth to inaugurate the millennial kingdom. Despite the best efforts of Christians to take the gospel to the ends of the earth, the world will never be “Christianized,” and culture will continue to grow worse and worse. However, Christ will come and establish His kingdom visibly on earth, and Satan will be bound—unable to have any impact on world affairs. The governments of the nations of the world will submit to Christ, and there will be a “golden age” of human existence. Truth and justice will be the hallmarks of government instead of the self-centeredness and corruption that is common today. However, because there will still be human beings with fallen natures inhabiting the kingdom, there will still be sin and rebellion. At the end of the literal 1,000-year period, Satan will be loosed, and there will be a final rebellion of humanity against Christ. The Lord will put down the rebellion once and for all and usher in a new heaven and new earth where there is no opportunity for any sin. Those who are looking forward to a future kingdom of 1,000 years’ duration that begins with the return of Christ (premillennialists) are also often referred to as “millennialists.” The term millennialism was in use before the pre-, a-, and post- prefixes were added to the word. In older literature, the position that might be called “premillennialism” today would simply be called “millennialism.” This is the only position that holds to a literal 1,000-year kingdom inaugurated by Christ and characterized by His visible, earthly reign. got questions hope this helps !!! One immediate problem with premillennialism the bible pictures Christ return as the end of his reign when he hands the kingdom over to the father 1 Corinthians 15:22–28 (KJV 1900) — 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. .................... 1 Corinthians 15:51–54 (KJV 1900) — 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. Christ reigns until the last enemy death is defeated. 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Post by civic on Aug 8, 2022 9:25:13 GMT -8
Millennialism is the belief in a literal reign of Christ on earth for 1,000 years in the future. The word millennium means “1,000 years”—from mille, the Latin word for “1,000,” and the word annus, Latin for “year.” (M is the Roman numeral for 1,000, it takes 1,000 millimeters to make a meter, 1,000 milliliters to make a liter, etc. A person’s per annum salary is their salary for one year.) What is often referred to as the “millennial kingdom” is mentioned in Revelation 20:1–7: “And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time. “I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years. “When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison” (emphasis added). This period of 1,000 years is marked by a binding of Satan and the reign of Jesus Christ. When that period of 1,000 years is over, Satan will be released for a short period for a final period of rebellion before the final end of all things. Much of Christian eschatology (teaching about the “last things”) is couched in terms of a particular view of the millennial kingdom and of when Christ returns in relation to the inauguration of that kingdom. The postmillennial position interprets Revelation 20 somewhat figuratively and holds that this binding of Satan takes place through the preaching of the gospel and the advance of the church throughout the world. At some point, the world will become predominantly Christian, recognizing Jesus as Lord. Of course, not every individual will be saved, but the worldwide culture will be dominantly Christian, ushering in a golden age of human existence. This golden age will not be based on humanism but on the people and governments of the world making a conscious effort to order things according to the priorities of God’s Word. Christ, though physically absent, will be reigning through His people, and this “golden age” dominance of Christian culture may last for a literal 1,000 years, or that number may figuratively represent a long period of time. At the end, there will be a rebellion, and Christ will return to earth to quash it. The term postmillennial means that Christ will return at the end of the millennial kingdom. The amillennial position teaches that there is no literal 1,000-year kingdom. The kingdom of God exists right now as Christ reigns as king in the hearts of His people, the church. Satan is bound now, meaning that he cannot prevent the advance of the gospel and the salvation of the elect, but he is still able to wreak havoc in many other areas. The “1,000 years” cannot be literal because it has already been almost 2,000 years since Christ was on earth. The Church may or may not finally “Christianize” the culture of all nations of the world, but the important thing is that the Church lives according to the priorities of God’s Word and proclaims Jesus as Lord. Christ will return one day to quash all rebellion and inaugurate the new heavens and new earth where there is no opportunity for any sin. The position is amillennial because it denies a literal, visible rule of Christ on earth before the new heavens and new earth, but it certainly does not deny the lordship of Christ or His sovereignty over all areas of life. The premillennial position teaches that Christ will return to earth to inaugurate the millennial kingdom. Despite the best efforts of Christians to take the gospel to the ends of the earth, the world will never be “Christianized,” and culture will continue to grow worse and worse. However, Christ will come and establish His kingdom visibly on earth, and Satan will be bound—unable to have any impact on world affairs. The governments of the nations of the world will submit to Christ, and there will be a “golden age” of human existence. Truth and justice will be the hallmarks of government instead of the self-centeredness and corruption that is common today. However, because there will still be human beings with fallen natures inhabiting the kingdom, there will still be sin and rebellion. At the end of the literal 1,000-year period, Satan will be loosed, and there will be a final rebellion of humanity against Christ. The Lord will put down the rebellion once and for all and usher in a new heaven and new earth where there is no opportunity for any sin. Those who are looking forward to a future kingdom of 1,000 years’ duration that begins with the return of Christ (premillennialists) are also often referred to as “millennialists.” The term millennialism was in use before the pre-, a-, and post- prefixes were added to the word. In older literature, the position that might be called “premillennialism” today would simply be called “millennialism.” This is the only position that holds to a literal 1,000-year kingdom inaugurated by Christ and characterized by His visible, earthly reign. got questions hope this helps !!! One immediate problem with premillennialism the bible pictures Christ return as the end of his reign when he hands the kingdom over to the father 1 Corinthians 15:22–28 (KJV 1900) — 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. .................... 1 Corinthians 15:51–54 (KJV 1900) — 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. Christ reigns until the last enemy death is defeated. According to this passage death is the last enemy and it is defeated at Christ's return Thanks for sharing Tom . As you know I’m not dogmatic about end times . The point I am is to be ready as Jesus teaches in many of His parables . He will return when you least expect and like a bride who anticipates the return of her groom she makes herself ready and remains faithful in the interim . hope this helps !!! |
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Post by toml on Aug 8, 2022 13:37:40 GMT -8
One immediate problem with premillennialism the bible pictures Christ return as the end of his reign when he hands the kingdom over to the father 1 Corinthians 15:22–28 (KJV 1900) — 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. .................... 1 Corinthians 15:51–54 (KJV 1900) — 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. Christ reigns until the last enemy death is defeated. According to this passage death is the last enemy and it is defeated at Christ's return Thanks for sharing Tom . As you know I’m not dogmatic about end times . The point I am is to be ready as Jesus teaches in many of His parables . He will return when you least expect and like a bride who anticipates the return of her groom she makes herself ready and remains faithful in the interim . hope this helps !!! You are welcome i just do not see that the bible can be made to support premillenialism from the New Testament data. The above passage is just one of a number contrary to premillenialism |
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Post by eternallygrateful on Aug 8, 2022 13:52:17 GMT -8
One immediate problem with premillennialism the bible pictures Christ return as the end of his reign when he hands the kingdom over to the father 1 Corinthians 15:22–28 (KJV 1900) — 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. .................... 1 Corinthians 15:51–54 (KJV 1900) — 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. Christ reigns until the last enemy death is defeated. According to this passage death is the last enemy and it is defeated at Christ's return Thanks for sharing Tom . As you know I’m not dogmatic about end times . The point I am is to be ready as Jesus teaches in many of His parables . He will return when you least expect and like a bride who anticipates the return of her groom she makes herself ready and remains faithful in the interim . hope this helps !!! Lets see if this works. I am new here.. The problem with this thinking is that CHrist is not ruling now If we think Christ is ruling now with a Rod of Iron like the word says he will. We have to explain why evil is aloud to run so rampant. Why have we had world leaders. like Hitler, Stalin, etc etc being decieved by satan into doing all the evil they do for their own selfish gain. if the last 2000 years is a picture of what it looks like when christ rules.. Then I shudder to think what heaven will look like. |
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Post by civic on Aug 8, 2022 13:54:06 GMT -8
Thanks for sharing Tom . As you know I’m not dogmatic about end times . The point I am is to be ready as Jesus teaches in many of His parables . He will return when you least expect and like a bride who anticipates the return of her groom she makes herself ready and remains faithful in the interim . hope this helps !!! Lets see if this works. I am new here.. The problem with this thinking is that CHrist is not ruling now If we think Christ is ruling now with a Rod of Iron like the word says he will. We have to explain why evil is aloud to run so rampant. Why have we had world leaders. like Hitler, Stalin, etc etc being decieved by satan into doing all the evil they do for their own selfish gain. if the last 2000 years is a picture of what it looks like when christ rules.. Then I shudder to think what heaven will look like. Welcome to the forum brother it’s good to see you here and your thoughts are much appreciated . Thank you ! |
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Post by toml on Aug 9, 2022 5:26:20 GMT -8
Thanks for sharing Tom . As you know I’m not dogmatic about end times . The point I am is to be ready as Jesus teaches in many of His parables . He will return when you least expect and like a bride who anticipates the return of her groom she makes herself ready and remains faithful in the interim . hope this helps !!! Lets see if this works. I am new here.. The problem with this thinking is that CHrist is not ruling nowIf we think Christ is ruling now with a Rod of Iron like the word says he will. We have to explain why evil is aloud to run so rampant. Why have we had world leaders. like Hitler, Stalin, etc etc being decieved by satan into doing all the evil they do for their own selfish gain. if the last 2000 years is a picture of what it looks like when christ rules.. Then I shudder to think what heaven will look like. Are you sure about that? Acts 2:32–36 (KJV 1900) — 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.Ephesians 1:20–22 (KJV 1900) — 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Is it not clear from the passage 1 Corinthians 15:25–26 (KJV 1900) — 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. Christ reigns until the last enemy death is defeated and that happens at his return 1 Corinthians 15:21–23 (KJV 1900) — 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. 1 Thessalonians 4:15–17 (KJV 1900) — 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. |
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Post by eternallygrateful on Aug 9, 2022 12:13:12 GMT -8
Lets see if this works. I am new here.. The problem with this thinking is that CHrist is not ruling nowIf we think Christ is ruling now with a Rod of Iron like the word says he will. We have to explain why evil is aloud to run so rampant. Why have we had world leaders. like Hitler, Stalin, etc etc being decieved by satan into doing all the evil they do for their own selfish gain. if the last 2000 years is a picture of what it looks like when christ rules.. Then I shudder to think what heaven will look like. Yes I am Part of making his enemies his footstool will be when he reigns with a rod of Iron from Davids throne in Jerusalem as the OT prophets and John said he will.. He is not ruling with a rod of Iron now. He is ruling with patience.. willing that non should perish. Satan is roaming he also is not bound |
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Post by toml on Aug 9, 2022 23:29:09 GMT -8
Yes I am Part of making his enemies his footstool will be when he reigns with a rod of Iron from Davids throne in Jerusalem as the OT prophets and John said he will.. He is not ruling with a rod of Iron now. He is ruling with patience.. willing that non should perish. Satan is roaming he also is not bound ......................... missing the point death is the last enemy to be defeated and it is defeated at Christ's return At Christ's return we have Universal judgement Matthew 25:31–46 (KJV 1900) — . 31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. John 12:48 (KJV 1900) — 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. Jude 14–15 (KJV 1900) — 14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15 to execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. Resurrection and rapture 1 Thessalonians 4:15–18 (KJV 1900) — 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. John 6:39 (KJV 1900) — 39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. John 6:40 (KJV 1900) — 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:44 (KJV 1900) — 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. notice how resurrection and judgment transpire at the last day - the day of his return The end of this old earth 2 Peter 3:4–13 (KJV 1900) — 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. The restitution of all things Acts 3:21 (KJV 1900) — 21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. PS.Satan was bound so he could not deceive the nations at Christs first coming Matthew 12:29 (KJV 1900) — 29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house. Mark 3:27 (KJV 1900) — 27 No man can enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house. |
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Post by eternallygrateful on Aug 10, 2022 2:49:35 GMT -8
yes, death is his last enemy. that does not have anything to do with the idea that Jesus will 1. Rule in Jerusalem 2. Rule with a rod of iron 3. All the families of the earth will visit once a year 4. the ones who do not are punished. 5. during this time, Satan is bound and unable to deceive the nations (like he has been doing since the beginning of time) |
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Post by toml on Aug 10, 2022 23:42:39 GMT -8
yes, death is his last enemy. that does not have anything to do with the idea that Jesus will 1. Rule in Jerusalem 2. Rule with a rod of iron 3. All the families of the earth will visit once a year 4. the ones who do not are punished. 5. during this time, Satan is bound and unable to deceive the nations (like he has been doing since the beginning of time) it has everything to do with the fact Christ's reign ends at the defeat of death and that death is defeated at Christ's return 1 Corinthians 15:20–27 (KJV 1900) — 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. Christ's reign ends at deaths defeat As many scriptures show At Christs coming we have Resurrection rapture universal judgment The destruction of this old earth New heavens and earth |
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