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Post by Aeliana on Apr 8, 2023 14:37:48 GMT -8
of course Christ made it possible for us to go Home.... and is our captain and we will meet Him on the clouds at the Change That's the main thing. |
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Post by e v e on Apr 21, 2023 12:39:04 GMT -8
everything God said to the prophets is valid and true right now
and Is His Law
but esau s corrupt scroll , the KJV, is not what God said
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Post by e v e on Apr 21, 2023 12:40:15 GMT -8
So yes we do need His law and rule.
the only laws and scroll abolished is esau's law of sin and death.
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Post by e v e on Apr 21, 2023 12:41:47 GMT -8
of course Christ made it possible for us to go Home.... and is our captain and we will meet Him on the clouds at the Change That's the main thing. the 144k will go to Him at the Change. but much of jacob will suffer tribulation... and only after that will jacob go home. |
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Post by Theophilus on Apr 21, 2023 12:42:38 GMT -8
everything God said to the prophets is valid and true right now and Is His Law but esau s corrupt scroll , the KJV, is not what God said Is there any ancient or modern translation that you prefer? |
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Post by e v e on Apr 21, 2023 13:25:43 GMT -8
you must become your own translator and ask His help...
those scribes of esau writing down
wrote after cursing themselves, not listening,
and now in captivity
the scroll was sealed
until He unsealed it in these end times
every text since OT fathers, before christ,
is based on their corrupt scroll
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Post by e v e on Apr 21, 2023 13:26:29 GMT -8
and the letters in the nt also esau got his hands on...
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Post by e v e on Apr 21, 2023 13:32:53 GMT -8
esau deeply hates God and represents the anti-144k
who desperately try to prevent the sons and daughters of Him
from going home
and does this by the false scroll ...
it's horrible.
you can see for yourself all the 'theological' confusion
and ugly debates led by experts and pharisees
all intended to prevent the sons from Hearing Him
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Post by Theophilus on Apr 24, 2023 11:02:20 GMT -8
The result of this new covenant we are no longer under law but under grace. Now we go, of course, to Paul for that, to Romans 6 where he has given his greatest exposition of it. ‘For sin,’ says Paul in verse 14, ‘shall not have dominion over you.’ Why? Well, here is the answer. ‘For ye are not under the law, but under grace.’ They had been under law—the subsection of the old covenant had been the introduction of the law.
That is why our Lord had to be ‘made of a woman, made under the law, to redeem them that were under the law’—(Gal. 4:4–5). But, as Christians, we are not under the law but under grace. Paul says the same thing in Romans 7:4, ‘Wherefore, my brethren,’ he says, ‘ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.’
When Christ died to the law, you and I, in Christ, died to the law also. You will find it again in those words that I have already quoted from Galatians 4:4–5.
I trust we are all clear about this. It does not mean we do not have to keep the Ten Commandments. They still apply to us. But we are not under the law in this sense: when God gave that law through Moses, He said to the people, If you keep this law, you will save yourselves, and I will forgive you. If. It was left to them to carry it out. They were under the law in the sense that was the way in which they faced the question of salvation. And it was impossible. (This is The Law we don't need)
But we are not under the law in that sense. Christ has kept the law for us; He has honoured it, for us. So we are now in this new relationship. He has delivered us from the law and the curse of the law in order that we may live the law and keep it. Paul puts it perfectly in Romans 8: ‘For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: that’—in order that—‘the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit’ (Rom. 8:3–4).
So, in a judicial, forensic sense, we are not under the law; but God have mercy upon the man who says, ‘Because I am not under the law I can do what I like.’ What Paul says to him is this: ‘What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?’ (Rom. 6:1). Because we are not under the law, can we do what we like?
Be not deceived, says the apostle: ‘God forbid.’ Our Lord died for us in order to enable us to live the law and to keep it, not to give us licence to sin. That is the terrible sin of antinomianism, one of the most dangerous heresies that can ever afflict the people of God. It is the idea that as long as you believe the right things and say them, it does not matter what you do. ‘Faith without works is dead,’ said James (James 2:20). There is no value in a profession unless it leads to results in our lives.
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Post by civic on Apr 24, 2023 11:20:19 GMT -8
The result of this new covenant we are no longer under law but under grace. Now we go, of course, to Paul for that, to Romans 6 where he has given his greatest exposition of it. ‘For sin,’ says Paul in verse 14, ‘shall not have dominion over you.’ Why? Well, here is the answer. ‘For ye are not under the law, but under grace.’ They had been under law—the subsection of the old covenant had been the introduction of the law. That is why our Lord had to be ‘made of a woman, made under the law, to redeem them that were under the law’—(Gal. 4:4–5). But, as Christians, we are not under the law but under grace. Paul says the same thing in Romans 7:4, ‘Wherefore, my brethren,’ he says, ‘ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.’ When Christ died to the law, you and I, in Christ, died to the law also. You will find it again in those words that I have already quoted from Galatians 4:4–5. I trust we are all clear about this. It does not mean we do not have to keep the Ten Commandments. They still apply to us. But we are not under the law in this sense: when God gave that law through Moses, He said to the people, If you keep this law, you will save yourselves, and I will forgive you. If. It was left to them to carry it out. They were under the law in the sense that that was the way in which they faced the question of salvation. And it was impossible. (This is The Law we don't need) But we are not under the law in that sense. Christ has kept the law for us; He has honoured it, for us. So we are now in this new relationship. He has delivered us from the law and the curse of the law in order that we may live the law and keep it. Paul puts it perfectly in Romans 8: ‘For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: that’—in order that—‘the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit’ (Rom. 8:3–4). So, in a judicial, forensic sense, we are not under the law; but God have mercy upon the man who says, ‘Because I am not under the law I can do what I like.’ What Paul says to him is this: ‘What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?’ (Rom. 6:1). Because we are not under the law, can we do what we like? Be not deceived, says the apostle: ‘God forbid.’ Our Lord died for us in order to enable us to live the law and to keep it, not to give us licence to sin. That is the terrible sin of antinomianism, one of the most dangerous heresies that can ever afflict the people of God. It is the idea that as long as you believe the right things and say them, it does not matter what you do. ‘Faith without works is dead,’ said James (James 2:20). There is no value in a profession unless it leads to results in our lives. Yep 👍🏼 |
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Post by johann21 on May 15, 2023 5:35:54 GMT -8
When Paul said "We establish the law" he is talking about what he called the righteousness of the law which are the laws that govern our behavior all of which revolve around our love for God, our brother and our neighbor. And we can fulfill that challenge by seeking the Holy Spirit to transform our hearts and minds and to lead us through our lives. The Holy Spirit must transform our inner man if we are to be victorious outwardly. Romans 8 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Exactly. Notice that 7th word In vs. four. I think it means we're not going to be perfect at it because we all fall short of the glory of God but we're to Strive to do our best. it's never going to happen if we are walking in the flesh you have to be in the Spirit. Give this a listen www.freebiblecommentary.org/mp3/32-16/romans/rom32k-11.mp3Shalom Johann |
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Post by civic on May 15, 2023 5:59:42 GMT -8
Exactly. Notice that 7th word In vs. four. I think it means we're not going to be perfect at it because we all fall short of the glory of God but we're to Strive to do our best. it's never going to happen if we are walking in the flesh you have to be in the Spirit. Give this a listen www.freebiblecommentary.org/mp3/32-16/romans/rom32k-11.mp3Shalom Johann I will check it out, thanks for the link. |
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Post by johann21 on May 15, 2023 7:52:11 GMT -8
Is that it? You want only two or three words?
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Post by Obadiah on May 15, 2023 8:13:01 GMT -8
Is that it? You want only two or three words? To who and what are you talking about? |
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Post by Redeemed on May 17, 2023 11:40:49 GMT -8
This Law we need.
The real Law know as the third law is the law of the Spirit of Life.
“Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death … in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.” (Romans 8:1, 2, 4). In other words, Paul says that the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (the third law) has power to overcome the law of sin in us, (the second law) and makes it possible for us to keep God’s Ten Commandment law, (the first law).
Now, what does the “law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus” set us free from—God’s Ten Commandment law? No, life in Christ doesn’t make void God’s holy law; but it does free us from the old life of habitual sinning. Of this we can be certain because of the result Paul describes of the successful operation of the third law, the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. Notice again what it is, verse 4 quoted above, “in order that the righteous requirements of the law [the first law—God’s holy Ten Commandment law] might be fully met in us …”
And this is the only way in which it can be done! No one can keep God’s holy law unless he is “in Christ Jesus” and the “law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus” has set him free from the old life of natural defeat and failure.
I don’t mean to imply that when the third law goes into operation in our lives we become perfect overnight! No, Christianity is a growing experience. But, with Paul, I do want to testify of a power that has set me free from the law of sin and death. I can choose not to send because I'm no longer a slave to. Thank you Jesus!
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