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Post by Redeemed on Jun 28, 2023 14:17:39 GMT -8
The book of Hebrews begins with stirring words about the Lord Jesus Christ and His importance in God’s unfolding revelation of the Trinity
Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs. (Hebrews 1:1–4)
The Christology that we find in the book of Hebrews is exceedingly high; in fact, it is one of the chief reasons why the early church was inclined to affirm the deity of Christ. Here we see Christ again described as the Son of God and as the agent of creation, who presents a vastly superior revelation than did the prophets of the Old Testament.
But the author also presents the concept that the Son of God is “the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature.” This is a clear reference to Jesus’ deity, but the author is also distinguishing the Son of God from the Father in terms of the idea of personhood. The Father’s person is expressed in the person of the Son. So even though both the Father and Son are divine, the author of Hebrews here sets forth the idea of a personal distinction in the Godhead In Jesus and gives us clear example of the trinity.
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Post by Redeemed on Jun 28, 2023 14:20:18 GMT -8
The Wright brothers invented the 1st airplane. Are you admitting the trinity was invented by comparison? Are you using RCC Logic? |
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Post by forgiven on Jun 28, 2023 14:21:34 GMT -8
The Wright brothers invented the 1st airplane. Are you admitting the trinity was invented by comparison? are you admitting your oneness doctrine was invented |
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Post by forgiven on Jun 28, 2023 14:30:45 GMT -8
Are you admitting the trinity was invented by comparison? Are you using RCC Logic? he is grasping at straws to try and prove his point |
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Post by Obadiah on Jun 28, 2023 15:05:08 GMT -8
he is grasping at straws to try and prove his point Good luck with that. Thats what's not going to happen. The doctrine of the Trinity teaches that God is one in essence and three in person, so He is one in one sense and three in another sense, and that does not violate the categories of rational thought or the law of non-contradiction. But people continue to charge that the Trinity is irrational. |
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Post by Truther on Jun 28, 2023 15:10:03 GMT -8
Are you admitting the trinity was invented by comparison? Are you using RCC Logic? 1+1+1=1 is not logic. |
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Post by Truther on Jun 28, 2023 15:14:28 GMT -8
Are you admitting the trinity was invented by comparison? are you admitting your oneness doctrine was invented Actually, oneness is a cousin of trinitarianism. They all came from the RCC which taught them that God became human. They both teach various forms of "hypostatic union". The Bible oneness is this... 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me,... |
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Post by Truther on Jun 28, 2023 15:17:15 GMT -8
The book of Hebrews begins with stirring words about the Lord Jesus Christ and His importance in God’s unfolding revelation of the Trinity Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs. (Hebrews 1:1–4) The Christology that we find in the book of Hebrews is exceedingly high; in fact, it is one of the chief reasons why the early church was inclined to affirm the deity of Christ. Here we see Christ again described as the Son of God and as the agent of creation, who presents a vastly superior revelation than did the prophets of the Old Testament. But the author also presents the concept that the Son of God is “the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature.” This is a clear reference to Jesus’ deity, but the author is also distinguishing the Son of God from the Father in terms of the idea of personhood. The Father’s person is expressed in the person of the Son. So even though both the Father and Son are divine, the author of Hebrews here sets forth the idea of a personal distinction in the Godhead In Jesus and gives us clear example of the trinity. No, Hebrews begins with THE MAN Jesus... 4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world,... Not a God/man, but a MADE man. |
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Post by Truther on Jun 28, 2023 15:18:20 GMT -8
he is grasping at straws to try and prove his point Good luck with that. Thats what's not going to happen. The doctrine of the Trinity teaches that God is one in essence and three in person, so He is one in one sense and three in another sense, and that does not violate the categories of rational thought or the law of non-contradiction. But people continue to charge that the Trinity is irrational. 1=3=1=3=1.... |
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Post by forgiven on Jun 28, 2023 15:19:38 GMT -8
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Post by Obadiah on Jun 28, 2023 15:22:06 GMT -8
No that's bad math it's not logic. And it also doesn't represent the Trinity. The Trinity expresses the belief that God is one being made up of three distinct persons who exist in co-equal essence and co-eternal communion as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. So..."The Trinity is the foundational Christian belief that God is one Being who exists in three Persons.” Do the Math! |
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Post by Truther on Jun 28, 2023 15:46:14 GMT -8
No that's bad math it's not logic. And it also doesn't represent the Trinity. The Trinity expresses the belief that God is one being made up of three distinct persons who exist in co-equal essence and co-eternal communion as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. So..."The Trinity is the foundational Christian belief that God is one Being who exists in three Persons.” Do the Math! The equation for the trinity is 1+1+1=1. Most trins teach "heavenly mathematics". I hope they don't here. They would never qualify for a job at SpaceX. |
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Post by civic on Jun 28, 2023 16:20:42 GMT -8
I can see that very soon will be embracing the Trinity  |
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Post by Eleazar on Jun 28, 2023 17:02:12 GMT -8
I can see that very soon will be embracing the Trinity There are some major hurdles to be overcome by Non-tritarians. There are three distinct ideas that you need to understand and differentiate: the paradox, the contradiction, and the mystery. Although these concepts are distinctly different, they are closely related. For this reason, they are often confused. It's hard for some people to think out of the box. Notice how fast they want to tell you what you believe is wrong but no mention of what they believe. Whether there are Mormon, or a Jehovah Witness, Christian science, Armstrongism, Christadelphians, Oneness Pentecostal, Unification church, Scientology And the list goes on. There you have the top Non-tritarians. Yeah I wouldn't want to talk about that either. Just say, 1+1+1=1 and The RCC Invented it and Christendom took the bait hook line and sinker. Yeah that'll work. Not! |
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Post by civic on Jun 28, 2023 17:09:57 GMT -8
I can see that very soon will be embracing the Trinity There are some major hurdles to be overcome by Non-tritarians. There are three distinct ideas that you need to understand and differentiate: the paradox, the contradiction, and the mystery. Although these concepts are distinctly different, they are closely related. For this reason, they are often confused. It's hard for some people to think out of the box. Notice how fast they want to tell you what you believe is wrong but no mention of what they believe. Whether they are Mormon, or a Jehovah Witness, Christian science, Armstrongism, Christadelphians, Oneness Pentecostal, Unification church, Scientology And the list goes on. There you have the top Non-tritarians. Yeah I wouldn't want to talk about that either. Just say, 1+1+1=1 and The RCC Invented it and Christendom took the bait hook line and sinker. Yeah that'll work. Not! great talking points ! |
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