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Post by praiseyeshua on Jun 28, 2023 19:02:03 GMT -8
Why should I be? I told you already. I didn't reject the baptism of John. They had denied the personally earthly ministry of John THE Baptist and Jesus Christ Himself. They denied the miracles they saw. They had to confess and accept what they knew to be true. Repentance was different for me. I had my own personal sins to deal with. Repentances is granted. Every individual must meet God's criteria personally, then God will GRANT THEM repentance. What makes you the same as the 3000 at Pentecost? Obviously you reject Peter and the 3000 regarding Acts 2:38. This means you have some newfalngled way to get your sins remitted. I am the same as the 3000 by repenting, being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and receiving the Holy Ghost exactly like they did. You repented, then rejected Jesus name baptism for the remission of sin, then you repented, repented and repented and believed, believed and believed your sins were remitted without Jesus name invoked over you in baptism. That would drive me bonkers in that circumstance. You're projecting. I don't believe that nonsense. Did you reject the baptism of John and the early ministry of Jesus Christ while around 30 AD? Not a single apostle nor disciple ever demanded the same from another group of individuals like Peter spoke to. You know they didn't. You hold an unsustainable position that is not reflected in any practical application today. Peter didn't baptize you. None of the apostles baptized you. Show me where the person that baptized you was sent by God to do so. You have a name it claiming position. You're claiming what Peter said to others as being binding upon everyone without requiring the same circumstances for everyone. This is nothing but make believe for you. I was born again once. I was there when it happened. It was long before I was ever submerged in water. I've been a child of God ever since and no nonsense from you will change that. |
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Post by Truther on Jun 28, 2023 19:51:10 GMT -8
I can see that very soon will be embracing the Trinity  Which of the 3 is your favorite person? |
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Post by Truther on Jun 28, 2023 19:57:56 GMT -8
Obviously you reject Peter and the 3000 regarding Acts 2:38. This means you have some newfalngled way to get your sins remitted. I am the same as the 3000 by repenting, being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and receiving the Holy Ghost exactly like they did. You repented, then rejected Jesus name baptism for the remission of sin, then you repented, repented and repented and believed, believed and believed your sins were remitted without Jesus name invoked over you in baptism. That would drive me bonkers in that circumstance. You're projecting. I don't believe that nonsense. Did you reject the baptism of John and the early ministry of Jesus Christ while around 30 AD? Not a single apostle nor disciple ever demanded the same from another group of individuals like Peter spoke to. You know they didn't. You hold an unsustainable position that is not reflected in any practical application today. Peter didn't baptize you. None of the apostles baptized you. Show me where the person that baptized you was sent by God to do so. You have a name it claiming position. You're claiming what Peter said to others as being binding upon everyone without requiring the same circumstances for everyone. This is nothing but make believe for you. I was born again once. I was there when it happened. It was long before I was ever submerged in water. I've been a child of God ever since and no nonsense from you will change that. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but... 37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,... ....which your answer would have been quite different if you were Peter at Pentecost. Fact is, if the name of Jesus was not invoked during your baptism, you were not buried with Christ nor have remission of sins. The 3000 at Pentecost is my church, identifying myself by their doctrine and experience. Get back to the original. |
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Post by Truther on Jun 28, 2023 20:01:15 GMT -8
If anyone here is too proud to be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of their sins in front of their loved ones...you can baptize yourself in water in the name of Jesus.
Why take the chance?
I had a student in a prison do just that.
It's legit.
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Post by civic on Jun 29, 2023 2:53:59 GMT -8
I can see that very soon will be embracing the Trinity Which of the 3 is your favorite person? The Son since He died for my sins and is my Savior. |
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Post by Truther on Jun 29, 2023 4:51:58 GMT -8
Which of the 3 is your favorite person? The Son since He died for my sins and is my Savior. I guess there is an upside for being the son as he is stuck with a weak human nature forever and the other 2 are not. |
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Post by Parker on Jun 29, 2023 5:34:20 GMT -8
The Son since He died for my sins and is my Savior. I guess there is an upside for being the son as he is stuck with a weak human nature forever and the other 2 are not. Not so, It's in the Bible. 5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father. |
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Post by Truther on Jun 29, 2023 5:41:54 GMT -8
I guess there is an upside for being the son as he is stuck with a weak human nature forever and the other 2 are not. Not so, It's in the Bible. 5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.Was Phil 2 speaking of God being in the form of God, thinking it not robbery to be equal with God, humbling Himself to devils and sinners? Or, the sinless man Christ Jesus(begotten son) being in the form of God, thinking it not robbery to be equal with God, humbling himself to devils and sinners? Did God give Himself(God in flesh) a name above every name, or the man Christ Jesus, His ONLY begotten son? |
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Post by civic on Jun 29, 2023 6:38:58 GMT -8
The Son since He died for my sins and is my Savior. I guess there is an upside for being the son as he is stuck with a weak human nature forever and the other 2 are not. No weak human nature as His is Super Human and incorruptible/ immortal. |
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Post by Obadiah on Jun 29, 2023 7:16:35 GMT -8
I guess there is an upside for being the son as he is stuck with a weak human nature forever and the other 2 are not. No weak human nature as His is Super Human and incorruptible/ immortal. I agree. It would seem the other poster is talking about another Jesus. I think the Bible warns us about folks that do that. We're not to accept it or put up with it. We're talking wolves and sheep's clothing here. 2 Corinthians 11:3–4 I am afraid, however, that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may be led astray from your simple and pure devotion to Christ. You happily put up with whatever anyone tells you, even if they preach a different Jesus than the one we preach, or a different kind of Spirit than the one you received, or a different kind of gospel than the one you believed. |
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Post by Parker on Jun 29, 2023 7:27:07 GMT -8
Not so, It's in the Bible. 5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.Was Phil 2 speaking of God being in the form of God, thinking it not robbery to be equal with God, humbling Himself to devils and sinners? Or, the sinless man Christ Jesus(begotten son) being in the form of God, thinking it not robbery to be equal with God, humbling himself to devils and sinners? Did God give Himself(God in flesh) a name above every name, or the man Christ Jesus, His ONLY begotten son? What is the meaning of Philippians 2:5, “Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus”? www.gotquestions.org/let-this-mind-be-in-you.html |
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Post by Parker on Jun 29, 2023 7:48:18 GMT -8
How Can Jesus Be Both God and Man?
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Post by Obadiah on Jun 29, 2023 8:31:01 GMT -8
Incorrect teaching about Jesus is a very serious matter; to deny that Jesus is the Christ is to be a liar and the antichrist (1 John 2:22). John may be addressing one of the particular heresies that were emerging in the late first century, either Docetism or Gnosticism, but irrespective of whether he has a specific teaching or generalities in mind, his point is clear. Having the right perspective on the Father and the Son is vital. It's vital to have the correct understanding about Jesus, that He is God.
The Holy Scripture, being God’s own Word and it's not something to be taken lightly or Joke about, written by men prepared and superintended by His Spirit, is of infallible divine authority in all matters upon which it touches: it is to be believed, as God’s instruction, in all that it affirms: obeyed, as God’s command, in all that it requires; embraced, as God’s pledge, in all that it promises . . . Being wholly and verbally God-given, Scripture is without error or fault in all its teaching, no less in what it states about God’s acts in creation, about the events of world history, and about its own literary origins under God, than in its witness to God’s saving grace in individual lives.
Just a word of caution, I suggest we discuss this topic of the trinity whatever our opinion, with all due respect.
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Post by Eleazar on Jun 29, 2023 9:14:37 GMT -8
Incorrect teaching about Jesus is a very serious matter; to deny that Jesus is the Christ is to be a liar and the antichrist (1 John 2:22). John may be addressing one of the particular heresies that were emerging in the late first century, either Docetism or Gnosticism, but irrespective of whether he has a specific teaching or generalities in mind, his point is clear. Having the right perspective on the Father and the Son is vital. It's vital to have the correct understanding about Jesus, that He is God. The Holy Scripture, being God’s own Word and it's not something to be taken lightly or Joke about, written by men prepared and superintended by His Spirit, is of infallible divine authority in all matters upon which it touches: it is to be believed, as God’s instruction, in all that it affirms: obeyed, as God’s command, in all that it requires; embraced, as God’s pledge, in all that it promises . . . Being wholly and verbally God-given, Scripture is without error or fault in all its teaching, no less in what it states about God’s acts in creation, about the events of world history, and about its own literary origins under God, than in its witness to God’s saving grace in individual lives. Just a word of caution, I suggest we discuss this topic of the trinity whatever our opinion, with all due respect. Being respectful when it comes to God's word Is wise advice. I've seen a few allegations against the trinitarian concept of God. It would seem the most common on this forum would be that the Roman Catholic Church invented the trinity. To me that's like slinging mud on the wall to see what sticks. It's a non issue. Another one is that trinitarians have been accused of relying on an evolutionary model of Scripture to explain the development of the doctrine of the Trinity. Because this doctrine is not explicitly taught in the Old Testament, it is claimed, its “sudden appearance” in the New Testament. The Old Testament does not explicitly teach the doctrine, but the concept of the Trinity is hinted at in certain places. We could say that the Old Testament lays a foundation for the later revelation concerning the Trinity. “Let Us make man in Our image” (Genesis 1:26) Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is the preeminent and perfect image of God: “The Son radiates God’s own glory and expresses the very character of God” (Hebrews 1:3; see also 2 Corinthians 4:4; Colossians 1:15). To see Jesus is to see the Father (John 14:9). To know Christ is to know God. Jesus Christ shows us what God meant when He said, “Let Us make man in Our image.” The original Hebrew word for “God” in Genesis 1 is the plural masculine noun Elohim. God, our Creator, chose to introduce Himself to us with a plural title. In Genesis 1:26—the first time in the Bible that God speaks about Himself—He uses the plural pronouns Us and Our. This passage is not the only instance in which God refers to Himself in plural terms (see Genesis 3:22; 11:7; and Isaiah 6:8). We find the plural Elohim more than 2,550 times in the Bible. So the roots of the doctrine of the Trinity are indeed to be found in the Old Testament and that the fundamentals of the doctrine were believed consistently from New Testament times until finally enunciated in the creeds of the fourth and fifth centuries. |
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Post by Ozias on Jun 29, 2023 9:29:29 GMT -8
@eleazar
Yes The Trinity is revealed in the O.T.
Genesis 1:26
Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;
Genesis 3:22
Then the Lord God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil;
Genesis 11:7
Come, let Us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other."
Genesis 19:24
Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven;
Isaiah 6:8
Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?
Isaiah 48:16
"Come near to Me, listen to this:
From the first I have not spoken in secret,
From the time it took place, I was there.
And now the Lord God has sent Me, and His Spirit."
Isaiah 61:1
The Spirit of the Lord God is upon Me,
Because the Lord has anointed Me
To bring good news to the afflicted;
He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to captives
And freedom to prisoners;
Psalm 110:1
The Lord says to my Lord:
"Sit at My right hand
Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet."
Zechariah 12:10
"And I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him, like the bitter weeping over a first-born.
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