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Post by Truther on Jun 24, 2023 14:03:08 GMT -8
I agree that Jesus is God, but you are missing the scriptural basis for that. The scriptural basis is God inside Jesus. You guys cannot accept this fact. That is why you will not further explain how Jesus, from heaven, says he has A GOD 4 times in a single verse. You simply talk past it because it baffles you. The trouble in the back of your mind should make you want to explain it rather than just ignore it. Inside? 100 percent man. 100 percent God. What is this "inside" stuff you're claiming? Christ is NOT DIVIDED. There were two seeds. The seed of Mary and the Eternal Seed of God. The Incarnation wasn't a separation. It was a JOINING. Perfection without division. Yes, INSIDE!.... 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Not this... 19 To wit, that God WAS Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. |
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Post by Truther on Jun 24, 2023 14:04:39 GMT -8
Excellent question. The "US" in the OT is ....the man Christ Jesus, whom was slain from the foundation of the world. God personally knew His human son before the world was made and made everything by, for and through him. God is not bound by time. God is smart. God IS time. It is part of His Eternal Character. There is no absence of time...... That is nothing more than senseless unproven science. It doesn't come from the Scriptures. Time is a endless measure. If you say time is finite, then you've quantified the Eternal God. Eternity is the absence of time, it is the endless NEVERENDING... time. Tell me, did God die in Jesus Christ "on time" or not? No, time is a creation of God, not "God is time". You are a creation of your parents, not you are your parents. C'mon man! |
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Post by Truther on Jun 24, 2023 14:07:47 GMT -8
How is made made in the image of an omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent Spirit God if he is not made in the image of the man , Christ Jesus? Please explain. Thanks sorry you wouldn't understand it... besides this has nothing to do with work based baptism salvation. Is obeying Acts 2:38 "work based baptism salvation"?. Yes or no? 37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. 40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves.... |
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Post by praiseyeshua on Jun 24, 2023 14:24:21 GMT -8
God IS time. It is part of His Eternal Character. There is no absence of time...... That is nothing more than senseless unproven science. It doesn't come from the Scriptures. Time is a endless measure. If you say time is finite, then you've quantified the Eternal God. Eternity is the absence of time, it is the endless NEVERENDING... time. Tell me, did God die in Jesus Christ "on time" or not? No, time is a creation of God, not "God is time". You are a creation of your parents, not you are your parents. C'mon man! By all means, prove your claim from the Scriptures. If you say God exists outside of time, then you can quantify God. There is never a situation wherein time ceases to exist. Time is nothing more than a absolute sequence of endless events. For example, God creates. There is never a time/sequence wherein God didn't "cause" what He created. Without "time" there is nothing but chaos and silly imaginations. |
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Post by praiseyeshua on Jun 24, 2023 14:32:27 GMT -8
Inside? 100 percent man. 100 percent God. What is this "inside" stuff you're claiming? Christ is NOT DIVIDED. There were two seeds. The seed of Mary and the Eternal Seed of God. The Incarnation wasn't a separation. It was a JOINING. Perfection without division. Yes, INSIDE!.... 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Not this... 19 To wit, that God WAS Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. You're appealing to English grammar to establish a truth? Really? How long have you been a theologian? The "in" here isn't a reference to "INSIDE"..... Think.... "in my name".... This is an extraordinarily reckless application of "in". "In = through" Besides what did Phillip see? Did he see "INSIDE" Christ? Joh 14:9 Jesus replied, “Have I been with you for so long, and you have not known me, Philip? The person who has seen me has seen the Father! How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? |
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Post by praiseyeshua on Jun 24, 2023 14:34:39 GMT -8
sorry you wouldn't understand it... besides this has nothing to do with work based baptism salvation. Is obeying Acts 2:38 "work based baptism salvation"?. Yes or no? 37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. 40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves.... Peter was requiring them to accept the Baptism that they rejected from John. Remember what John preached? They rejected it. They cried "away with such a man as this"..... It was proof of their acceptance. |
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Post by Theophilus on Jun 24, 2023 15:17:07 GMT -8
To me personally baptism is an external display of an internal conviction. Everyone I know that has been baptized were saved before the baptismal ceremony. Just saying.
Baptism in Acts. Early Christians baptized converts to the faith to signal their entrance and initiation into the Christian community (e.g., Acts 2:38–41; 8:4–13, 34–38; 9:17–19; 10:44–48; 16:11–15, 25–34). Baptism seems to have been associated with repentance, forgiveness of sins, and the bestowal of the Holy Spirit, but not in any sort of systematic way. For instance, in Acts, the Holy Spirit is sometimes given concurrently with baptism (Acts 2:38–41), sometimes before baptism (Acts 10:44–48), and sometimes after baptism (Acts 8:4–17). The connection between baptism and the Holy Spirit seems to trace back to John’s promise that though he baptized with water, Christ would baptize with the Holy Spirit (Matt 3:11; Mark 1:8; Luke 3:16; John 1:29–34;
Eugene R. Schlesinger, “Sacraments,” ed. John D. Barry et al., The Lexham Bible Dictionary
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Post by civic on Jun 24, 2023 15:21:36 GMT -8
To me personally baptism is an external display of an internal conviction. Everyone I know that has been baptized were saved before the baptismal ceremony. Just saying. Baptism in Acts. Early Christians baptized converts to the faith to signal their entrance and initiation into the Christian community (e.g., Acts 2:38–41; 8:4–13, 34–38; 9:17–19; 10:44–48; 16:11–15, 25–34). Baptism seems to have been associated with repentance, forgiveness of sins, and the bestowal of the Holy Spirit, but not in any sort of systematic way. For instance, in Acts, the Holy Spirit is sometimes given concurrently with baptism (Acts 2:38–41), sometimes before baptism (Acts 10:44–48), and sometimes after baptism (Acts 8:4–17). The connection between baptism and the Holy Spirit seems to trace back to John’s promise that though he baptized with water, Christ would baptize with the Holy Spirit (Matt 3:11; Mark 1:8; Luke 3:16; John 1:29–34; Eugene R. Schlesinger, “Sacraments,” ed. John D. Barry et al., The Lexham Bible Dictionary Thanks for posting that brother |
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Post by praiseyeshua on Jun 24, 2023 17:08:53 GMT -8
To me personally baptism is an external display of an internal conviction. Everyone I know that has been baptized were saved before the baptismal ceremony. Just saying. Baptism in Acts. Early Christians baptized converts to the faith to signal their entrance and initiation into the Christian community (e.g., Acts 2:38–41; 8:4–13, 34–38; 9:17–19; 10:44–48; 16:11–15, 25–34). Baptism seems to have been associated with repentance, forgiveness of sins, and the bestowal of the Holy Spirit, but not in any sort of systematic way. For instance, in Acts, the Holy Spirit is sometimes given concurrently with baptism (Acts 2:38–41), sometimes before baptism (Acts 10:44–48), and sometimes after baptism (Acts 8:4–17). The connection between baptism and the Holy Spirit seems to trace back to John’s promise that though he baptized with water, Christ would baptize with the Holy Spirit (Matt 3:11; Mark 1:8; Luke 3:16; John 1:29–34; Eugene R. Schlesinger, “Sacraments,” ed. John D. Barry et al., The Lexham Bible Dictionary Baptism is a ritual similar to communion. The idea that Baptism saves is similar to the Catholic teaching of Transubstantiation. It is the fleshly desire to find significance in " works of righteousness". |
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Post by forgiven on Jun 24, 2023 17:58:41 GMT -8
No, time is a creation of God, not "God is time". You are a creation of your parents, not you are your parents. C'mon man! By all means, prove your claim from the Scriptures. If you say God exists outside of time, then you can quantify God. There is never a situation wherein time ceases to exist. Time is nothing more than a absolute sequence of endless events. For example, God creates. There is never a time/sequence wherein God didn't "cause" what He created. Without "time" there is nothing but chaos and silly imaginations. is that the only scripture you know acts 2:38 |
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Post by Truther on Jun 24, 2023 21:08:41 GMT -8
No, time is a creation of God, not "God is time". You are a creation of your parents, not you are your parents. C'mon man! By all means, prove your claim from the Scriptures. If you say God exists outside of time, then you can quantify God. There is never a situation wherein time ceases to exist. Time is nothing more than a absolute sequence of endless events. For example, God creates. There is never a time/sequence wherein God didn't "cause" what He created. Without "time" there is nothing but chaos and silly imaginations. God is not subject to time. He created time. Here is an example of what God witnessed over 1000 years before it happened..... Psalm 22 King James Version 22 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring? 2 O my God, I cry in the day time, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent. 3 But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel. 4 Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them. 5 They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded. 6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people. 7 All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying, 8 He trusted on the Lord that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him. 9 But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts. 10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly. 11 Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help. 12 Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round. 13 They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion. 14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels. 15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death. 16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. 17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. 18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture. |
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Post by Truther on Jun 24, 2023 21:11:50 GMT -8
Yes, INSIDE!.... 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Not this... 19 To wit, that God WAS Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. You're appealing to English grammar to establish a truth? Really? How long have you been a theologian? The "in" here isn't a reference to "INSIDE"..... Think.... "in my name".... This is an extraordinarily reckless application of "in". "In = through" Besides what did Phillip see? Did he see "INSIDE" Christ? Joh 14:9 Jesus replied, “Have I been with you for so long, and you have not known me, Philip? The person who has seen me has seen the Father! How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? I speak English, so yes, I believe the English in my Bible. Here is another example of English grammar that irks you.... .... but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. |
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Post by Truther on Jun 24, 2023 21:16:08 GMT -8
To me personally baptism is an external display of an internal conviction. Everyone I know that has been baptized were saved before the baptismal ceremony. Just saying. Baptism in Acts. Early Christians baptized converts to the faith to signal their entrance and initiation into the Christian community (e.g., Acts 2:38–41; 8:4–13, 34–38; 9:17–19; 10:44–48; 16:11–15, 25–34). Baptism seems to have been associated with repentance, forgiveness of sins, and the bestowal of the Holy Spirit, but not in any sort of systematic way. For instance, in Acts, the Holy Spirit is sometimes given concurrently with baptism (Acts 2:38–41), sometimes before baptism (Acts 10:44–48), and sometimes after baptism (Acts 8:4–17). The connection between baptism and the Holy Spirit seems to trace back to John’s promise that though he baptized with water, Christ would baptize with the Holy Spirit (Matt 3:11; Mark 1:8; Luke 3:16; John 1:29–34; Eugene R. Schlesinger, “Sacraments,” ed. John D. Barry et al., The Lexham Bible Dictionary Baptism is a ritual similar to communion. The idea that Baptism saves is similar to the Catholic teaching of Transubstantiation. It is the fleshly desire to find significance in " works of righteousness". In the good ol days of Peter etc in Acts, baptism used to be a command. Now anti-baptism is commanded. Now it is called a "ritual". What happened? The RCC ended Acts 2:38, then the protestants abolished baptism entirely as her rebellious daughters. |
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Post by Truther on Jun 24, 2023 21:17:35 GMT -8
By all means, prove your claim from the Scriptures. If you say God exists outside of time, then you can quantify God. There is never a situation wherein time ceases to exist. Time is nothing more than a absolute sequence of endless events. For example, God creates. There is never a time/sequence wherein God didn't "cause" what He created. Without "time" there is nothing but chaos and silly imaginations. is that the only scripture you know acts 2:38 Pretty much. If I can't obey Acts 2:38, I am wasting my time professing to be a Christian. |
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Post by Truther on Jun 24, 2023 21:19:35 GMT -8
To me personally baptism is an external display of an internal conviction. Everyone I know that has been baptized were saved before the baptismal ceremony. Just saying. Baptism in Acts. Early Christians baptized converts to the faith to signal their entrance and initiation into the Christian community (e.g., Acts 2:38–41; 8:4–13, 34–38; 9:17–19; 10:44–48; 16:11–15, 25–34). Baptism seems to have been associated with repentance, forgiveness of sins, and the bestowal of the Holy Spirit, but not in any sort of systematic way. For instance, in Acts, the Holy Spirit is sometimes given concurrently with baptism (Acts 2:38–41), sometimes before baptism (Acts 10:44–48), and sometimes after baptism (Acts 8:4–17). The connection between baptism and the Holy Spirit seems to trace back to John’s promise that though he baptized with water, Christ would baptize with the Holy Spirit (Matt 3:11; Mark 1:8; Luke 3:16; John 1:29–34; Eugene R. Schlesinger, “Sacraments,” ed. John D. Barry et al., The Lexham Bible Dictionary Baptism is a burial per Romans 6. Those that are "saved" before baptism are buried alive. Wow. |
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