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Post by Unmerited on Jun 2, 2023 7:05:25 GMT -8
Who did the OT prophets/saints see in the OT who was called YHWH ? John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known. John 5:37 And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, John 6:46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 1 Timothy 1:17 17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen. 1 Timothy 6:13-16 I charge you 14 to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which God will bring about in his own time — God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen. 1 John 4:12 12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us. Colossians 1:15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 1 Timothy 1:17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, and invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen 1 Timothy 6:15-16 which God will bring about in his own time—God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen Jesus said the following about God the Father ! John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known. Exactly it's all about Jesus! He's the answer. Scripture plainly speaks of one God but also of three distinct Persons. These Persons interact with each other. Jesus prays to the Father (John 17:1–26 is just one example). If the Father and the Son are not distinct persons, then this prayer is simply a monologue. To whom did Jesus surrender Himself on the cross (Luke 23:46)? And what did John mean when he wrote, “Whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son” (2 John 1:9)? |
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Post by civic on Jun 2, 2023 7:46:04 GMT -8
Who did the OT prophets/saints see in the OT who was called YHWH ? John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known. John 5:37 And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, John 6:46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 1 Timothy 1:17 17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen. 1 Timothy 6:13-16 I charge you 14 to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which God will bring about in his own time — God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen. 1 John 4:12 12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us. Colossians 1:15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 1 Timothy 1:17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, and invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen 1 Timothy 6:15-16 which God will bring about in his own time—God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen Jesus said the following about God the Father ! John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known. Exactly it's all about Jesus! He's the answer. Scripture plainly speaks of one God but also of three distinct Persons. These Persons interact with each other. Jesus prays to the Father (John 17:1–26 is just one example). If the Father and the Son are not distinct persons, then this prayer is simply a monologue. To whom did Jesus surrender Himself on the cross (Luke 23:46)? And what did John mean when he wrote, “Whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son” (2 John 1:9)? Ditto |
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Post by Truther on Jun 2, 2023 12:25:27 GMT -8
Another scripture that Christendom frowns at.... 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. They think it can also say this.... 24 I am both flesh and a Spirit: and they that worship ME AS GOD must worship ME AS GOD in spirit and in truth. John 4:24 reads “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.” We know worshipping God in truth would mean worshipping God according to his word, because John 17:17 says “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.” God’s word defines for us what the truth is. But what does it mean to worship God “in Spirit”? From the verse starting off with “God is a Spirit,” we know it must have something to do with worshipping God with our spirit. But the following three verses might shed some more light on just what it means … Josh 24:14 Now therefore fear the Lord, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the Lord. I Sam 12:24 Only fear the Lord, and serve him in truth with all your heart: for consider how great things he hath done for you. II Chron 25:2 And he did that which was right in the sight of the Lord, but not with a perfect heart. The Father is inside the son, thus, when you see the son you see the Father. |
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Post by Truther on Jun 2, 2023 12:28:44 GMT -8
John 4:24 reads “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.” We know worshipping God in truth would mean worshipping God according to his word, because John 17:17 says “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.” God’s word defines for us what the truth is. But what does it mean to worship God “in Spirit”? From the verse starting off with “God is a Spirit,” we know it must have something to do with worshipping God with our spirit. But the following three verses might shed some more light on just what it means … Josh 24:14 Now therefore fear the Lord, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the Lord. I Sam 12:24 Only fear the Lord, and serve him in truth with all your heart: for consider how great things he hath done for you. II Chron 25:2 And he did that which was right in the sight of the Lord, but not with a perfect heart. The Father is inside the son, thus, when you see the son you see the Father. The RCC is the "3 persons in God" author. The Bible teaches a lone God and a man... For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; That's it, not God AS THE MAN or God IN 3 PERSONS. |
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Post by Truther on Jun 2, 2023 12:33:07 GMT -8
Trins teach that only the 2nd person is both divinity and humanity.
This equates to 3.5 persons.
They teach only the 2nd person humbled himself to sinners and devils, but the other 2 said "no thanks".
It is a heavenly rift.
Oneness teaches similarly, but they obey Acts 2:38 to their credit.
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Post by Ozias on Jun 2, 2023 14:36:36 GMT -8
In Christ, the triunity of God is revealed. The Trinitarian workings of God are stamped all over Jesus’s life in the pages of the New Testament. While all outward works of God can be attributed to each of the three persons, certain outward works of God—depending on what they are can be attributed more particularly to one of the three persons. In the incarnation of the Son of God, for example, we see a beautiful Trinitarian work.
The Father is not only the person who sent the Son of God to earth to redeem sinners but is also the master architect behind the type of body the Son assumed: “A body have you prepared for me” (Heb. 10:5). At the same time, the actual forming of the human nature of the Son through the flesh of the Virgin Mary was the work of the Holy Spirit (Luke 1:35). But the decision of taking into subsistence with himself a human nature was a prerogative that belonged to the Son, who must do all things freely and willingly. As Christ says, “I have come down from heaven” (John 6:38). In other words, while it is true that the Father sent the Son, the Son came willingly, apart from any coercion. The Son assumed a human nature.
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Post by Truther on Jun 2, 2023 16:21:13 GMT -8
In Christ, the triunity of God is revealed. The Trinitarian workings of God are stamped all over Jesus’s life in the pages of the New Testament. While all outward works of God can be attributed to each of the three persons, certain outward works of God—depending on what they are can be attributed more particularly to one of the three persons. In the incarnation of the Son of God, for example, we see a beautiful Trinitarian work. The Father is not only the person who sent the Son of God to earth to redeem sinners but is also the master architect behind the type of body the Son assumed: “A body have you prepared for me” (Heb. 10:5). At the same time, the actual forming of the human nature of the Son through the flesh of the Virgin Mary was the work of the Holy Spirit (Luke 1:35). But the decision of taking into subsistence with himself a human nature was a prerogative that belonged to the Son, who must do all things freely and willingly. As Christ says, “I have come down from heaven” (John 6:38). In other words, while it is true that the Father sent the Son, the Son came willingly, apart from any coercion. The Son assumed a human nature. God does not consist of a multiplicity of persons. He is a lone Spirit. Proof from Jesus himself.... 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Jesus said that God was someone other than himself here. Jesus said God ia a Spirit, not that God is 3 persons. The RCC said God is 3 persons. Be careful what you ingest. |
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Post by Aeliana on Jun 3, 2023 8:48:07 GMT -8
The Bible teaches that Jesus is really and truly God, the second person of the Trinity. And it teaches that amazing fact over and over again, in a vast number of ways. People sometimes think that the doctrine of the deity of Christ, that Jesus is God, is based on only a few passages that are controversial. But I want you to see that this doctrine is found over and over again in Scripture. It is pervasive. It is found on nearly every page of the New Testament in one way or other.
Perhaps most amazing of all is that Jesus’ disciples who wrote the New Testament rarely argue the deity of Christ. They didn’t need to, because the whole Christian community agreed that Jesus was God.
The strongest evidence for the deity of Christ is this: Christ is the Lord. The Bible’s main teaching about God is that God is Lord. Lord is the covenant name of God.
Please note that "Lord" is also the name of Jesus Christ. Perhaps the most fundamental confession of the New Testament is “Jesus is Lord.” Romans 10:9 says, “If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.”
First Corinthians 12:3 says, “No one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says ‘Jesus is accursed!’ and no one can say ‘Jesus is Lord’ except in the Holy Spirit.”
In Philippians 2:10–11 Paul points to Isaiah 45:23, which speaks of every knee bowing to God as Lord, and he paraphrases it this way: “so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
Jesus is Lord, even as an infant. Elizabeth refers to Mary as “the mother of my Lord” Luke 1:43. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath Mark 2:28, a remarkable title in the Jewish world. The Sabbath was the Sabbath of the Lord our God.
Exodus 20:9–10 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns.
Isaiah 58:13 “If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath and from doing as you please on my holy day,
if you call the Sabbath a delight and the Lord’s holy day honorable, and if you honor it by not going your own way and not doing as you please or speaking idle words,
But Jesus says that He, the Son of Man, is Lord of the Sabbath, an amazing claim.
1 Corinthians 8:6–7 Yet for us there is [only] one God, the Father, Who is the Source of all things and for Whom we [have life], and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through and by Whom are all things and through and by Whom we [ourselves exist].
7 Nevertheless, not all [believers] possess this knowledge.
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Post by Aeliana on Jun 3, 2023 11:02:21 GMT -8
The idea that God did not become a man necessarily implies that Jesus was a man in whom God only indwelt. This is essentially the teaching of Adoptionistic Monarchianism. This view claims that Jesus was a mere man, but became endowed with the Holy Spirit in a special way at some point in His life. That " The Father is inside the son". There is an ontological union between the deity and humanity of Christ that occurred the moment the Holy Ghost conceived in Mary’s womb. Jesus was not adopted as God’s Son, or made into a divine being at some point later in His life by the Father "infusing" His Spirit in Jesus. We believe that Jesus was God from His birth because it was God who became a man. If God only indwelt a particular man, and did not become a human being, taking in union a human nature to His divine nature, then Jesus' sacrifice could only have accomplished a particular salvation, His own. His death could not have saved all of humanity. It's by virtue that God became a man, identifying with the human race as a whole, that Jesus can be a mediator between God and men. What makes Jesus’ death of infinite value is not merely His sinlessness, but the fact that He was God manifest in the flesh. If Jesus was not metaphysically God Himself, but only indwelt a particular man (Christ), then His death could not save us. The infinite God became a man to die for us. This is the reason for the efficacy of Calvary. If the humanity of Christ was ever separate from His deity, which it would be if Jesus' humanity was created and then indwelt by God, this could not be true. Jesus Matthew 3:17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” In the heavenly Father’s declaration, we also hear his love in the unashamed claim of possession: my beloved Son. And we see it in the setting, that this is a public declaration, for the ears of witnesses: “This is my beloved Son . . .” Most of all, we hear it in the clause that follows: “. . . with whom I am well pleased.” God's not talking about himself but of the second member of His Trinity |
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Post by Unmerited on Jun 3, 2023 12:38:38 GMT -8
John 4:24 reads “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.” We know worshipping God in truth would mean worshipping God according to his word, because John 17:17 says “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.” God’s word defines for us what the truth is. But what does it mean to worship God “in Spirit”? From the verse starting off with “God is a Spirit,” we know it must have something to do with worshipping God with our spirit. But the following three verses might shed some more light on just what it means … Josh 24:14 Now therefore fear the Lord, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the Lord. I Sam 12:24 Only fear the Lord, and serve him in truth with all your heart: for consider how great things he hath done for you. II Chron 25:2 And he did that which was right in the sight of the Lord, but not with a perfect heart. The Father is inside the son, thus, when you see the son you see the Father. This statement makes it sound as though you are an Adoptionists, claiming that Jesus was just an ordinary man who happened to have God in Him in a special way. |
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Post by Truther on Jun 4, 2023 6:26:19 GMT -8
The idea that God did not become a man necessarily implies that Jesus was a man in whom God only indwelt. This is essentially the teaching of Adoptionistic Monarchianism. This view claims that Jesus was a mere man, but became endowed with the Holy Spirit in a special way at some point in His life. That " The Father is inside the son". There is an ontological union between the deity and humanity of Christ that occurred the moment the Holy Ghost conceived in Mary’s womb. Jesus was not adopted as God’s Son, or made into a divine being at some point later in His life by the Father "infusing" His Spirit in Jesus. We believe that Jesus was God from His birth because it was God who became a man. If God only indwelt a particular man, and did not become a human being, taking in union a human nature to His divine nature, then Jesus' sacrifice could only have accomplished a particular salvation, His own. His death could not have saved all of humanity. It's by virtue that God became a man, identifying with the human race as a whole, that Jesus can be a mediator between God and men. What makes Jesus’ death of infinite value is not merely His sinlessness, but the fact that He was God manifest in the flesh. If Jesus was not metaphysically God Himself, but only indwelt a particular man (Christ), then His death could not save us. The infinite God became a man to die for us. This is the reason for the efficacy of Calvary. If the humanity of Christ was ever separate from His deity, which it would be if Jesus' humanity was created and then indwelt by God, this could not be true. Jesus Matthew 3:17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” In the heavenly Father’s declaration, we also hear his love in the unashamed claim of possession: my beloved Son. And we see it in the setting, that this is a public declaration, for the ears of witnesses: “This is my beloved Son . . .” Most of all, we hear it in the clause that follows: “. . . with whom I am well pleased.” God's not talking about himself but of the second member of His Trinity Jesus was not adopted. Jesus was fully indwelt by all of what his God consists of, bodily. This makes Jesus, God(bodily), by default. The trinity is not real, but fake. All there is per scripture is the Father, which is a Holy Spirit by definition and his human son. His human son, which still has a God per Rev 3:8, is God because of the Col 2:9 effect on him, bodily, after he was raised from the dead and made by His God and resurrector, a quickening spirit per 1 cor 15. |
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Post by Truther on Jun 4, 2023 6:33:03 GMT -8
The Father is inside the son, thus, when you see the son you see the Father. This statement makes it sound as though you are an Adoptionists, claiming that Jesus was just an ordinary man who happened to have God in Him in a special way. Jesus was not adopted. Jesus was conceived. Jesus was biologically made by His God(Father) and Mary. He originated in her ovaries as a microscopic sperm cell from God to mate with Mary's egg. Mary's egg did not self fertilize, nor was she not Jesus' actual biological mother. Jesus was both the son of Man and the son of God. Adoptionism implies he was not the biological son of God(Angel etc). |
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Post by Truther on Jun 4, 2023 6:35:32 GMT -8
The idea that God did not become a man necessarily implies that Jesus was a man in whom God only indwelt. This is essentially the teaching of Adoptionistic Monarchianism. This view claims that Jesus was a mere man, but became endowed with the Holy Spirit in a special way at some point in His life. That " The Father is inside the son". There is an ontological union between the deity and humanity of Christ that occurred the moment the Holy Ghost conceived in Mary’s womb. Jesus was not adopted as God’s Son, or made into a divine being at some point later in His life by the Father "infusing" His Spirit in Jesus. We believe that Jesus was God from His birth because it was God who became a man. If God only indwelt a particular man, and did not become a human being, taking in union a human nature to His divine nature, then Jesus' sacrifice could only have accomplished a particular salvation, His own. His death could not have saved all of humanity. It's by virtue that God became a man, identifying with the human race as a whole, that Jesus can be a mediator between God and men. What makes Jesus’ death of infinite value is not merely His sinlessness, but the fact that He was God manifest in the flesh. If Jesus was not metaphysically God Himself, but only indwelt a particular man (Christ), then His death could not save us. The infinite God became a man to die for us. This is the reason for the efficacy of Calvary. If the humanity of Christ was ever separate from His deity, which it would be if Jesus' humanity was created and then indwelt by God, this could not be true. Jesus Matthew 3:17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” In the heavenly Father’s declaration, we also hear his love in the unashamed claim of possession: my beloved Son. And we see it in the setting, that this is a public declaration, for the ears of witnesses: “This is my beloved Son . . .” Most of all, we hear it in the clause that follows: “. . . with whom I am well pleased.” God's not talking about himself but of the second member of His TrinityGod was speaking of the man Christ Jesus, as also seen in Heb 1. |
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Post by civic on Jun 4, 2023 7:48:59 GMT -8
The idea that God did not become a man necessarily implies that Jesus was a man in whom God only indwelt. This is essentially the teaching of Adoptionistic Monarchianism. This view claims that Jesus was a mere man, but became endowed with the Holy Spirit in a special way at some point in His life. That " The Father is inside the son". There is an ontological union between the deity and humanity of Christ that occurred the moment the Holy Ghost conceived in Mary’s womb. Jesus was not adopted as God’s Son, or made into a divine being at some point later in His life by the Father "infusing" His Spirit in Jesus. We believe that Jesus was God from His birth because it was God who became a man. If God only indwelt a particular man, and did not become a human being, taking in union a human nature to His divine nature, then Jesus' sacrifice could only have accomplished a particular salvation, His own. His death could not have saved all of humanity. It's by virtue that God became a man, identifying with the human race as a whole, that Jesus can be a mediator between God and men. What makes Jesus’ death of infinite value is not merely His sinlessness, but the fact that He was God manifest in the flesh. If Jesus was not metaphysically God Himself, but only indwelt a particular man (Christ), then His death could not save us. The infinite God became a man to die for us. This is the reason for the efficacy of Calvary. If the humanity of Christ was ever separate from His deity, which it would be if Jesus' humanity was created and then indwelt by God, this could not be true. Jesus Matthew 3:17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” In the heavenly Father’s declaration, we also hear his love in the unashamed claim of possession: my beloved Son. And we see it in the setting, that this is a public declaration, for the ears of witnesses: “This is my beloved Son . . .” Most of all, we hear it in the clause that follows: “. . . with whom I am well pleased.” God's not talking about himself but of the second member of His Trinity Jesus was not adopted. Jesus was fully indwelt by all of what his God consists of, bodily. This makes Jesus, God(bodily), by default. The trinity is not real, but fake. All there is per scripture is the Father, which is a Holy Spirit by definition and his human son. His human son, which still has a God per Rev 3:8, is God because of the Col 2:9 effect on him, bodily, after he was raised from the dead and made by His God and resurrector, a quickening spirit per 1 cor 15. Why would Jesus command believers to be baptized in the NAME ( singular ) of the 3 Persons- the Father , the Son and the Holy Spirit ? Matthew 28:19-20 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” And why would He say I will always be with you and not God, not the Father and not the Holy Spirit above ? And why would He tell them to obey everything He commands and not God and not the Fathers commands ? hope this helps !!! |
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Post by Truther on Jun 4, 2023 7:53:50 GMT -8
Jesus was not adopted. Jesus was fully indwelt by all of what his God consists of, bodily. This makes Jesus, God(bodily), by default. The trinity is not real, but fake. All there is per scripture is the Father, which is a Holy Spirit by definition and his human son. His human son, which still has a God per Rev 3:8, is God because of the Col 2:9 effect on him, bodily, after he was raised from the dead and made by His God and resurrector, a quickening spirit per 1 cor 15. Why would Jesus command believers to be baptized in the NAME ( singular ) of the 3 Persons- the Father , the Son and the Holy Spirit ? Matthew 28:19-20 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” And why would He say I will always be with you and not God, not the Father and not the Holy Spirit above ? And why would He tell them to obey everything He commands and not God and not the Fathers commands ? hope this helps !!! This explains it all... |
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