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Post by Truther on Jul 17, 2023 12:19:37 GMT -8
“Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.”
Teach me
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Post by charismaticlady on Jul 17, 2023 12:25:24 GMT -8
You MUST take the CONTEXT of equal verses to know the truth. Or are you trying to prove pretrib rapture and using the two grinding to prove it?
I just believe the doctrines out of the Bible, instead of wishful thinking.
What about the eagle thing? Please explain what Jesus meant. 17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, “Come and gather together for the [h]supper of the great God, 18 that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great.”
19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh. Rev. 19
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Post by Truther on Jul 17, 2023 12:29:44 GMT -8
Luke 17:36-3736 Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left.”
37 And they answered and said to Him, “Where, Lord?”
So He said to them, “Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.”...
17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, “Come and gather together for the [h]supper of the great God, 18 that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great.”
19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh. Rev. 19
So, you have them taken to hell by birds?
One taken by birds and the other left?
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Post by Truther on Jul 17, 2023 12:30:38 GMT -8
Only the antichrist's armies are the ones to be taken?
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Post by Truther on Jul 17, 2023 12:32:06 GMT -8
2 sleeping in a bed are speaking of one person of the antichrist's armies to be taken by birds and devoured?
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Post by Truther on Jul 17, 2023 12:36:33 GMT -8
The "eagle" interpretation I heard was out of the OT, not Rev.
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Post by Truther on Jul 17, 2023 12:38:34 GMT -8
“Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.” Teach me Try something like this...The saints shall mount up with wings like eagles as a body being taken to heaven? Could be, who knows? |
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Post by dwight92070 on Jul 17, 2023 16:22:22 GMT -8
"Truther" has everything but the truth. He's quite confused. The Law is NOT still in effect. Jesus said, "It is finished" on the cross and died and the veil in the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. He finished the work of redemption and the temple sacrifices and all of the Old Covenant came to an end. The New Covenant had begun. Paul was very emphatic that we are no longer under the Law.
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Post by dwight92070 on Jul 17, 2023 17:22:08 GMT -8
Also the eagles in Luke 17:37 appear to be Jesus referring to Job 39:27-30. Here the Lord is instructing Job and is speaking about eagles. Verse 30 says: "It's young ones suck up blood; and where the slain are, there it is. Therefore the ones who are "taken" in verse 36 must be the wicked. The ones left are the believers whom the Lord will rapture at His 2nd coming, which occurs RIGHT AFTER the unrighteous are taken out - EVEN AT THE SAME HOUR. The rapture and the 2nd Coming of Jesus happens at the same time - John 5:28 and 29 - the righteous AND the unrighteous will be resurrected AT THE SAME HOUR. There is no 7-year tribulation separating the resurrection of the righteous from the resurrection of the unrighteous, as the dispensationalists want us to believe.
This completely agrees with the parables in Matthew 13. Look at verse 40: "So just as the tares are gathered up (taken) and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age (the 2nd Coming of Jesus). The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom (the ones taken) all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine forth (those left) as the sun in the kingdom of their Father." The same is true with the parable of the dragnet. Verse 49: So it will be at the end of the age (the 2nd Coming); the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous (those taken), and will thrown them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
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Post by Truther on Jul 17, 2023 17:35:27 GMT -8
"Truther" has everything but the truth. He's quite confused. The Law is NOT still in effect. Jesus said, "It is finished" on the cross and died and the veil in the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. He finished the work of redemption and the temple sacrifices and all of the Old Covenant came to an end. The New Covenant had begun. Paul was very emphatic that we are no longer under the Law. Was this ended at the time it was written?... 7 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? 2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. Is the Law dead or are only the saints dead to the active Law?.... 4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. Did Jesus say "it is finished" as per the saint is dead to the Law or are sinners also dead to the Law? Did Paul say the Law ended here?... 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Is it ended for everyone or certain folks? |
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Post by Truther on Jul 17, 2023 17:41:37 GMT -8
Also the eagles in Luke 17:37 appear to be Jesus referring to Job 39:27-30. Here the Lord is instructing Job and is speaking about eagles. Verse 30 says: "It's young ones suck up blood; and where the slain are, there it is. Therefore the ones who are "taken" in verse 36 must be the wicked. The ones left are the believers whom the Lord will rapture at His 2nd coming, which occurs RIGHT AFTER the unrighteous are taken out - EVEN AT THE SAME HOUR. The rapture and the 2nd Coming of Jesus happens at the same time - John 5:28 and 29 - the righteous AND the unrighteous will be resurrected AT THE SAME HOUR. There is no 7-year tribulation separating the resurrection of the righteous from the resurrection of the unrighteous, as the dispensationalists want us to believe. This completely agrees with the parables in Matthew 13. Look at verse 40: "So just as the tares are gathered up (taken) and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age (the 2nd Coming of Jesus). The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom (the ones taken) all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine forth (those left) as the sun in the kingdom of their Father." The same is true with the parable of the dragnet. Verse 49: So it will be at the end of the age (the 2nd Coming); the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous (those taken), and will thrown them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Okay, now we are getting somewhere. That is the passage the preacher used in the OT to attempt to harmonize with Matt 24. Problem is, the preacher and nobody else has ever seen the NT exact pattern(catching away/thief/drunken servant) that both Jesus and Paul used in describing the rapture. Instead they get out their concordance and say Paul taught a secret rapture that God only revealed to him... All the while ignoring "this WE SAY by the word of THE LORD". Did the secret get revealed to "He" or "we" or was it really a secret??? |
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Post by Truther on Jul 17, 2023 17:49:34 GMT -8
Now, everyone get ready for REAL context and in exact order....
THE TAKING
...40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left....
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
THE THIEF
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up....
5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
THE DRUNKEN SERVANT
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;...
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
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Post by dwight92070 on Jul 17, 2023 20:16:31 GMT -8
"Truther" has everything but the truth. He's quite confused. The Law is NOT still in effect. Jesus said, "It is finished" on the cross and died and the veil in the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. He finished the work of redemption and the temple sacrifices and all of the Old Covenant came to an end. The New Covenant had begun. Paul was very emphatic that we are no longer under the Law. Was this ended at the time it was written?...Dwight - The Law ended when Jesus died, just like I said. Paul affirmed that later in his epistles.Dwight - The Law was ONLY given to the JEWS, so if it's still valid, then even today, it would not apply to Gentiles. But it is not valid for anyone. Even the New Covenant was originally given ONLY to the Jews, but later the Lord told Peter through a vision that the Gentiles could also be part of the New Covenant. a 7 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? 2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.Dwight - SOME laws were repeated in the New Covenant - Moral laws that are eternal because they reflect God's character. Nine of the Ten Commandments were repeated in the New Covenant. But the penalty for breaking those laws, which could be being stoned to death, was not repeated. MOST of the 613 Old Covenant laws were not repeated. If an Old Covenant law is repeated in the New Covenant, it becomes part of the New Covenant. Is the Law dead or are only the saints dead to the active Law?.... Dwight - The Old Covenant is gone, never to return. 4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. Did Jesus say "it is finished" as per the saint is dead to the Law or are sinners also dead to the Law?Dwight - The New Covenant is open to everyone who is willing serve a new King - Jesus. As the Bible says, the Law of Moses is gone, not governing anybody now - except to learn from. Even Paul in his teachings referred to the Law to make his point. We can learn God's thinking about various subjects from the Law. The Jews who try to keep the Law today are deceived, because it is not in effect. Without the temple, it's impossible for them to keep the Law anyway. Did Paul say the Law ended here?...Dwight - Paul said that the Law ended when the Seed came to whom the promise was made - Christ. But technically the Law was still in effect during all of Jesus' life, although His message was sort of weaning people off of it. For example, He broke the Law many times - He broke the Sabbath several times, He touched dead bodies and lepers - these were breaking the Law. But He could do that without sinning, because He was the Lord. He was above the Law. However He never broke a Moral law, did He? 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Is it ended for everyone or certain folks?Dwight - You keep asking the same question. I already answered that |
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Post by dwight92070 on Jul 17, 2023 20:22:59 GMT -8
When I hit Create Post, it doesn't come out at all the way I typed it. Maybe there is some instructions as to how to properly post?
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Post by Admin on Jul 18, 2023 4:19:40 GMT -8
When I hit Create Post, it doesn't come out at all the way I typed it. Maybe there is some instructions as to how to properly post? yes top of page Left side |
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