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Post by Obadiah on Aug 16, 2022 9:54:10 GMT -8
“Once saved, always saved". I don't get all hot under the collar if any Brother in Christ does not hold to my believe on this topic.  When we spin our spiritual wheels then Satan is a happy camper. He has great joy every time we believe we aren’t saved. For a short while, I questioned my salvation. I learned later; a lot of people go through seasons where they do. I examined my heart and knew it belonged to God. How did I know that? He’s always on my mind. Turning to my Beloved is something I do routinely. The Holy Spirit tells me I’m His child. That settled the issue for me. The key I believe to holding on to your assurance of salvation Is to Abide in Jesus. Jesus said, “Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me” (John 15:4). Have a constant abiding in Christ means to have a living relationship with Him. Gal. 2:20 “I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless, I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.” By faith Paul was crucified at his conversion, crucified in the flesh, died to the old life with Christ. Now he lives, or rather, Christ lives in him. The old life is laid aside, and the new life is a Christlike life, due to the spirit of Christ. He is now merged in Christ. That means we must also be in daily connection with Jesus Christ and must live our life in Him... a living sacrifice. |
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Post by rickstudies on Aug 16, 2022 17:04:51 GMT -8
“Once saved, always saved". I don't get all hot under the collar if any Brother in Christ does not hold to my believe on this topic. When we spin our spiritual wheels then Satan is a happy camper. He has great joy every time we believe we aren’t saved. For a short while, I questioned my salvation. I learned later; a lot of people go through seasons where they do. I examined my heart and knew it belonged to God. How did I know that? He’s always on my mind. Turning to my Beloved is something I do routinely. The Holy Spirit tells me I’m His child. That settled the issue for me. The key I believe to holding on to your assurance of salvation Is to Abide in Jesus. Jesus said, “Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me” (John 15:4). Have a constant abiding in Christ means to have a living relationship with Him. Gal. 2:20 “I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless, I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.” By faith Paul was crucified at his conversion, crucified in the flesh, died to the old life with Christ. Now he lives, or rather, Christ lives in him. The old life is laid aside, and the new life is a Christlike life, due to the spirit of Christ. He is now merged in Christ. That means we must also be in daily connection with Jesus Christ and must live our life in Him... a living sacrifice. I would be interested in a clash between OSAS and Arminianism. Your take on this topic is essentially the Arminian point of view which believes we must endure as Christians in order to have the security. |
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Post by Obadiah on Aug 17, 2022 4:28:28 GMT -8
I see two lines of false doctrines as potentially salvific. One is self-righteousness—not acknowledging that all our righteousness comes as a gift of grace. The other is licentiousness—not acknowledging that faith and grace are things we have to hold on to and take responsibility for. OSAS could lead a person to hell by the presumption that they can ignore the Holy Spirit and live deliberately pursuing sin. Legalism could also lead a person to hell, by trusting in how holy they live instead of Christ's Cross, and being filled with pride that they are holier . I Agree with all of your Above points. I do not ignore teaching that shows how we are able to fall away and for our love to grow cold. Jesus said, “Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’” (Matthew 7:23). It seems strange to hear our all-knowing Lord say there’s something—or someone—He doesn’t know. Jesus refers not to an intellectual knowledge here but to a relational knowledge. Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and, in your name, perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’” (Matthew 7:21–23). I believe in order to have Assurance of Salvation you have to abide in Christ. If you depart from the presence of Christ you will not be with Him For eternity: “Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood” (Revelation 22:15). They will be cast “into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Matthew 8:12). So those fake Christians that Jesus says He never knew will not produce the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22–23); rather, they will produce the opposite, the works of the flesh (Galatians 5:19–21). |
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Post by michaiah on Aug 17, 2022 6:08:05 GMT -8
There’s nothing wrong with question oneself in the faith/salvation.
“But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.” (1 Corinthians 11:28-29)
“Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?” (2 Corinthians 13:5)
My advice to be secure in the faith is to be reading the scriptures frequently and meditating on them constantly.
Trusting in a man made doctrine like ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED is just lying to yourself.
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Post by Obadiah on Aug 17, 2022 6:26:47 GMT -8
There’s nothing wrong with question oneself in the faith/salvation. “But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.” (1 Corinthians 11:28-29) “Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?” (2 Corinthians 13:5) My advice to be secure in the faith is to be reading the scriptures frequently and meditating on them constantly. Trusting in a man made doctrine like ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED is just lying to yourself. I would say your post is the bottom line. Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling Philippians 2:12 That fear and trembling is about whether or not I can trust God. God sees the end from the beginning, and I trust Him to bring me all the way home. The day of Christ is the day He returns with His reward. On that day we’ll know that we’ve not held onto God in vain. But we can be happy now, because God’s promises are guaranteed. Revelation 22:12-16 12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. 14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. 16. “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.” |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 10:30:07 GMT -8
“Once saved, always saved". I don't get all hot under the collar if any Brother in Christ does not hold to my believe on this topic. When we spin our spiritual wheels then Satan is a happy camper. He has great joy every time we believe we aren’t saved. For a short while, I questioned my salvation. I learned later; a lot of people go through seasons where they do. I examined my heart and knew it belonged to God. How did I know that? He’s always on my mind. Turning to my Beloved is something I do routinely. The Holy Spirit tells me I’m His child. That settled the issue for me. The key I believe to holding on to your assurance of salvation Is to Abide in Jesus. Jesus said, “Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me” (John 15:4). Have a constant abiding in Christ means to have a living relationship with Him. Gal. 2:20 “I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless, I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.” By faith Paul was crucified at his conversion, crucified in the flesh, died to the old life with Christ. Now he lives, or rather, Christ lives in him. The old life is laid aside, and the new life is a Christlike life, due to the spirit of Christ. He is now merged in Christ. That means we must also be in daily connection with Jesus Christ and must live our life in Him... a living sacrifice. I would be interested in a clash between OSAS and Arminianism. Your take on this topic is essentially the Arminian point of view which believes we must endure as Christians in order to have the security. How about a kind, patient, mutually well-mannered and respectful discussion of well-rendered scriptures pertaining to that division, instead of clash? |
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Post by nahum on Aug 17, 2022 10:49:22 GMT -8
There is IMPUTED righteousness (which is purely a gift of the grace of God) and then there is PRACTICAL RIGHTEOUSNESS. Those who are deemed to be righteous must also act and think righteously. This is not the same as "self-righteousness". NOTE TO ADMINISTRATOR: SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE FIXED IN ORDER TO QUOTE FROM OTHER POSTS. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A BLANK ABOVE WHEN THERE SHOULD BE A QUOTE. IT SHOULD NOT BE NECESSARY TO RE-POST EVERYTHING FROM ANOTHER POST. |
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Post by Obadiah on Aug 17, 2022 11:21:35 GMT -8
There is IMPUTED righteousness (which is purely a gift of the grace of God) and then there is PRACTICAL RIGHTEOUSNESS. Those who are deemed to be righteous must also act and think righteously. This is not the same as "self-righteousness". NOTE TO ADMINISTRATOR: SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE FIXED IN ORDER TO QUOTE FROM OTHER POSTS. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A BLANK ABOVE WHEN THERE SHOULD BE A QUOTE. IT SHOULD NOT BE NECESSARY TO RE-POST EVERYTHING FROM ANOTHER POST. I just click in below the text box you post is in. But getting all the post above it is a not good. |
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Post by Admin on Aug 17, 2022 11:29:09 GMT -8
There is IMPUTED righteousness (which is purely a gift of the grace of God) and then there is PRACTICAL RIGHTEOUSNESS. Those who are deemed to be righteous must also act and think righteously. This is not the same as "self-righteousness". NOTE TO ADMINISTRATOR: SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE FIXED IN ORDER TO QUOTE FROM OTHER POSTS. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A BLANK ABOVE WHEN THERE SHOULD BE A QUOTE. IT SHOULD NOT BE NECESSARY TO RE-POST EVERYTHING FROM ANOTHER POST. I'm working on it. Sorry for the problems you're having. You're not the only one that has had problems with this Forum program. I'll try my best to get it fixed. |
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Post by Admin on Aug 17, 2022 11:29:38 GMT -8
There is IMPUTED righteousness (which is purely a gift of the grace of God) and then there is PRACTICAL RIGHTEOUSNESS. Those who are deemed to be righteous must also act and think righteously. This is not the same as "self-righteousness". NOTE TO ADMINISTRATOR: SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE FIXED IN ORDER TO QUOTE FROM OTHER POSTS. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A BLANK ABOVE WHEN THERE SHOULD BE A QUOTE. IT SHOULD NOT BE NECESSARY TO RE-POST EVERYTHING FROM ANOTHER POST. I just click in below the text box you post is in. But getting all the post above it is a not good. Test |
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Post by Admin on Aug 17, 2022 11:31:45 GMT -8
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Post by civic on Aug 17, 2022 11:37:46 GMT -8
How about a video tutorial rofl 😂
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Post by Admin on Aug 17, 2022 13:44:09 GMT -8
How about a video tutorial rofl 😂 I'm working on getting Copyright clearance, then we should have it up and live. |
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Aug 17, 2022 20:35:59 GMT -8
OSAS could lead a person to hell by the presumption that they can ignore the Holy Spirit and live deliberately pursuing sin.
One * CAN” deliberately pursue sin.....see how long you can “ get away with it”
I think that God will let the Unbeliever get away with quite a bit....God knows that their miserable lives here on Earth are ALL that they will ever have....
The Believer? Sorry ....he ain’t gonna “ get away” with Anything—— God will “ Chastise” His True Children in His very effective “Wood Shed”.....I know this to be True, having been there a few times——-and God doesn’t “ play games” in that wood shed....
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Aug 17, 2022 20:58:19 GMT -8
There’s nothing wrong with question oneself in the faith/salvation. “But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.” (1 Corinthians 11:28-29) “Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?” (2 Corinthians 13:5) My advice to be secure in the faith is to be reading the scriptures frequently and meditating on them constantly. Trusting in a man made doctrine like ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED is just lying to yourself. ......in your opinion..... btw...In regard to the Communion passage.......the “unworthily” part of your quote is an adverb—— describing the “ Way” they were Partaking.....some were trying to make a meal out of it and others were actually getting drunk on the wine! They were Partaking in an “ Unworthy Manner” by doing these things.....Jesus said to ;take Communion “ to remember ME!” ......These participants were making the same mistake that people do today at The Table Of the Lord—— they were taking their eyes off of Jesus and HIS Performance and looking at their “ own” performance...many times deceiving themselves into thinking that they are somehow “ worthy” because they get confused by that word “ worthily” in the verse...... We need to ESPECIALLY realize at The Table Of The Lord That NOBODY is “ WORTHY” .......We are *MADE* Worthy by our Faith in The Blood Of The Lamb...., |
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