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Post by bloodbought1953 on Aug 17, 2022 21:22:36 GMT -8
Trusting in a man made doctrine like ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED is just lying to yoursel
Man made? Hmmmmm..... “ Anybody that ASKS to be Saved , WILL be Saved”.....Rom 10:13
“,It is God who enables us to Stand Firm in Christ —- He is the One that Chose us”. 2Cor 1:21....
And here is the “ Topper” that no NOSAS person dares to go NEAR,
“ Truly I say to you, whoever hears what I say, and Trusts In Him That sent me,* ALREADY HAS* Eternal Life and shall *NEVER* come under Condemnation” John 5:24
.....and just what exactly did Jesus “ say?” ......what is it that we Must “hear?”......What exactly “ IS” God’s Will?
“ This is the Will Of The Father, That everyone that BELIEVES in His Son will have Eternal Life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day” ( John 6 :39)
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Aug 17, 2022 21:54:54 GMT -8
will forgive massive amounts of sin, and he will discipline it, but we can still walk away, there are still limits we cannot pass.
We can still reject Christ, just like we accepted him.
If a person gets Saved, and then later down the line he decides to reject the Gospel that he once Trusted in, that later rejection would be something that happened in the Future, right?
Jesus said that “ Nothing In the *Future* could take you from His Grip”.......Romans 8:38......” For I am certain that Nothing can separate us from the Love of God —- not life or death, not angels or spirits , not the present or the FUTURE “....
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Post by hansen on Aug 17, 2022 23:49:46 GMT -8
Humility calls for assurance, based on good fruit and a relative absence of bad fruit, combined with trust in Gods mercy, goodness and love, but yet a gaurded assurance, knowing that we don’t have 100% perfect certainty about our eternal destinies. That’s Gods province.
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Post by michaiah on Aug 18, 2022 3:12:40 GMT -8
Trusting in a man made doctrine like ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED is just lying to yourself. ......in your opinion..... Not my opinion at all. “For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins… Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?” (Hebrews 10:26-29) |
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Post by eternallygrateful on Aug 18, 2022 5:34:28 GMT -8
“Once saved, always saved". I don't get all hot under the collar if any Brother in Christ does not hold to my believe on this topic.  When we spin our spiritual wheels then Satan is a happy camper. He has great joy every time we believe we aren’t saved. For a short while, I questioned my salvation. I learned later; a lot of people go through seasons where they do. I examined my heart and knew it belonged to God. How did I know that? He’s always on my mind. Turning to my Beloved is something I do routinely. The Holy Spirit tells me I’m His child. That settled the issue for me. The key I believe to holding on to your assurance of salvation Is to Abide in Jesus. Jesus said, “Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me” (John 15:4). Have a constant abiding in Christ means to have a living relationship with Him. Gal. 2:20 “I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless, I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.” By faith Paul was crucified at his conversion, crucified in the flesh, died to the old life with Christ. Now he lives, or rather, Christ lives in him. The old life is laid aside, and the new life is a Christlike life, due to the spirit of Christ. He is now merged in Christ. That means we must also be in daily connection with Jesus Christ and must live our life in Him... a living sacrifice. I would be interested in a clash between OSAS and Arminianism. Your take on this topic is essentially the Arminian point of view which believes we must endure as Christians in order to have the security. Sadly when I view the OSAS debate. Most of the time it is an armenian vs a calvinist.It gets so bad that if you look at both arguments, they are not even looking at what other people are saying. they assume they know. because if you believe in OSAS you MUST be calvinist. If you believe in NOSAS you must be an armenian. I have experienced this myself. since I am neither Armenian or calvinist. We must remember, just because someone believes in eternal security does not make them a calvinist. and someone who believes salvation can be lost does not mean they are armenian. |
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Post by eternallygrateful on Aug 18, 2022 5:37:10 GMT -8
as for OSAS being a license to sin. Its nonsensical. While it MAY cause some people be be licentious.. It does not mean the OSAS is false.. Legalism can be a license to sin also.. You take the grave sins, and as long as you do not do them, well you ok. It is basically (for those who think we can sin ourselves out of salvation) a watering down of the law so they can appear to be above the standard. while being a pharisee and calling the OSAS peopel lovers of sin.
Gods standard is perfection. Not a person living (other than christ) meets that standard.. we would all stand guilty in front of God apart from Grace.
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Post by eternallygrateful on Aug 18, 2022 5:41:56 GMT -8
God does not rape our will, the promise is ONLY for people that accept him. Jesus let people walk away. No one who has experienced Gods true love and understands would stop trusting in God for salvation. They may walk away because something so drastic happened to them (A family member being murdered or losing everything you have) but that does not mean you lost faith in God for salvation. God does not expect us all to be Job I was a prodigal son for 5 years because of things that happened.. I never stopped trusting God for salvation. nor did I ever feel he left me (I left him) John makes it clear also. those who are true non believers, who walked in the church at one time and left. were never of us if they were of us they never owuld have left. These are true unbelievers Not prodigal children.. we must understand there is a difference and not judge someone that because they walked away from church services they are now lost.. God does not leave his children. |
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Post by 101G on Aug 18, 2022 6:31:45 GMT -8
not haven't read all the post. my view is this. Ephesians 2:7 "That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus." Ephesians 2:8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:" Ephesians 2:9 "Not of works, lest any man should boast."
now this, James 2:17 "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." James 2:18 "Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works."
there in is the test of salvation. one does not work to be save, one work because they are saved. one work until his master return, or as the Lord Jesus said, "I must be about my father business
and this concept of SALVATION is shown in the bible clearly. just one good example the vineyard workers, and there are many more examples. what a perfect example in the vineyard worker. it has all the elements mention in the OP. with the basic understanding of "FAITH" as the apostle by the Holy Ghost said, "we're saved by "HOPE"..... Romans 8:24 "For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?" Romans 8:25 "But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it." Oh my, what great knowledge God has given us in UNDERRSTANDING.
PICJAG, 101G.
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Post by hansen on Aug 18, 2022 9:03:21 GMT -8
The key I believe to holding on to your assurance of salvation Is to Abide in Jesus. Jesus said, “Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me” (John 15:4). Have a constant abiding in Christ means to have a living relationship with Him. This is true. And to abide in Christ, having that living relation ship, is impossible unless we're walking in the light, overcoming sin more than it's overcoming us, etc. That relationship and sin are mutually exclusive just as love and sin are mutually exclusive, even as He's patient in cultivating His light in us. |
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Post by civic on Aug 18, 2022 11:30:42 GMT -8
This is my own personal opinion and I’m just talking about myself and not about any doctrinal position one way or the other . I could never ever imagine one day without Jesus and thinking about Him just the same as I think about my relationships with my wife and children every day . The Lord is constantly on my mind from the time I wake up until the time I go to sleep . It’s been that way since the day I was saved in 1980 . I don’t think or feel I could or would ever walk away from Jesus anymore than I could ever walk away from my wife or children . The Lord and my family which He rules over are everything to me. And I spend more time taking with the Lord , praying and reading then I do anyone else in my life . My relationship with Jesus is just as real as any of the others in my life .
hope this helps !!!
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Post by civic on Aug 18, 2022 11:47:22 GMT -8
No it’s called committed for life just like I made my marriages vows to my wife - till death do I - we part .
For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
hope this helps !!!
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Post by eternallygrateful on Aug 18, 2022 13:46:28 GMT -8
No one who has experienced Gods true love and understands would stop trusting in God for salvation.
Amen, it is a lie, if it was true everyone would be saved
Just because you can does not mean you will. You are free to leave,
However, You have to prove someone who ever had true faith has actually repented again to unbelief.
Yep. Because while we lost faith in different ereas, we never repented of the gospel
If you deny christ, you are an antichrist. and if you were part of the church. You were never saved. John did not stutter
1 john 3: 18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you[e] know all things. 21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
lol. Jesus called peter the rock. He also said he would help led his church. Jesus also knew he was going to deny him. He knew it when he prophesied peter would do those things.
Peter did not have to return, he never left.
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Aug 18, 2022 16:18:24 GMT -8
Not my opinion at all.
“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins… Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?” (Hebrews 10:26-29)
Taken out of context......there are NINE chapters in Hebrews before one gets to that 10 th Chapter.....the ONLY Sin being discussed is the sin of rejecting the Blood Of Christ and going back to the Temple to offer up Animal Sacrifices That have become worthless this side of the Cross,,,,These Gospel Deniers were spitting on the Blood Of The Lamb as if it were something Worthless....That Rejection Of “ Nothing But The Blood Of Jesus” would take you to Hell 2000 years ago......It will get that same result today...
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Post by michaiah on Aug 18, 2022 16:36:19 GMT -8
bloodbought1953The sin being spoken of are ALL sins. You know, ALL the ones he cleansed you from upon believing? Because this is written prior to verses 26-29: “And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away ***SINS***: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.” (Hebrews 10:11-13) Where do you get the authority to limit sin to rejecting the blood of Christ only? That would be illogical. The sin of murder also forfeits salvation which destroys your claim: “…no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.” (1 John 3:15)
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Aug 18, 2022 22:18:31 GMT -8
as for OSAS being a license to sin. Its nonsensical. While it MAY cause some people be be licentious.. It does not mean the OSAS is false.. Legalism can be a license to sin also.. You take the grave sins, and as long as you do not do them, well you ok. It is basically (for those who think we can sin ourselves out of salvation) a watering down of the law so they can appear to be above the standard. while being a pharisee and calling the OSAS peopel lovers of sin.
Gods standard is perfection. Not a person living (other than christ) meets that standard.. we would all stand guilty in front of God apart from Grace.
The poorly taught and confused NON- OSAS Crowd “ also “has a License to sin—— They can also , as Luther said, “ Murder a thousand men and rape a thousand women every day” and “ get away” with it——— all they have to do is make sure that “ Repent” Of All Of These Sins Before they die! Then what? They’re Good go Go!
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