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Post by P1LGR1M on Aug 30, 2022 6:36:43 GMT -8
Or are all our works filthy rags? Yes.
In an eternal perspective nothing we do meets the criteria for righteousness.
That is why there is none righteous, no—not one.
Those that think that because they are saved have somehow now achieved the righteousness of Christ in a practical manner are deceived according to John.
Galatians 3:21
King James Version
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
If anything could have made men righteous it was the Covenant of Law. It is holy and good, and was only for man's good.
But he could not keep it:
Galatians 2:21
King James Version
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It was necessary that Christ come and die in our stead, because if we had to count on our own righteousness we would certainly be condemned eternally, because we cannot achieve to the righteous standard of God.
And that is what has to be met in order to receive Eternal Redemption.
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Post by P1LGR1M on Aug 30, 2022 6:42:00 GMT -8
Well, for some reason I was kicked out of the editing of the last post, so I will just run through the rest of this response for now: Those who believe that righteousness is merely imputed to or declared of man more easily fall into the OSAS fallacy Actually, they fall into an accurate Biblical Interpretation of one of the most fundamental principles of the Gospel:
Romans 3:20-26
King James Version
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. because, if righteousness is no longer connected to...well, actual, personal righteousness, then there's no righteousness to compromise and lose by sinning-and no righteousness with which to overcome sin anyway. Sorry, but it's a false argument to say people think righteousness is no longer connected with us. Most understand that we have been set apart for holy living, and this is something the world hates, because it thinks we feel we are "holier than thou." But if we understand Positional Sanctification and Progressive Sanctification we understand which part is ours and which part belongs only to the Lord. You asked, "And are we responsible such that, if we don't live holy lives, we may not gain eternal life?" I lost this when I got logged off (probably for being so long-winded, lol). So I have two pages pulled up now and will go back and do a condensed version of my answer for you. You asked, "And are we responsible such that, if we don't live holy lives, we may not gain eternal life?"
Response: No, because Eternal Life has never been gained by what people do.
And we follow what Scripture states will happen if we do not live according to God's will: Acts 5:9-11
King James Version
9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
11 And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.
1 Corinthians 11:28-30
King James Version
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
The wages of sin is death, and just as it was under Law, it is still true today, that God will put men to death physically for sin. Physically. Believers' eternal destinies are tied to Christ and that isn't a position that is going to change.
We did not save ourselves when the Comforter convicted us of sin and we turned to Christ in faith. We did not baptize ourselves into Christ in Eternal Union. We did not cause God to eternally indwell us. Why would we think that now we can somehow attain to the righteousness of God in our lives and thus maintain our salvation? We are not the Author and Finisher (Completer) of our faith.
Just as in the case of Cornelius, we heard the words that saved us, the Gospel, and were baptized with the Holy Ghost (immersed into God).
So while it is true that we can be put to death physically for sin in our lives, there isn't the first Scripture that negates Christ's teaching, nor the Apostles' that it is God that maintains our salvation:
1 Peter 1:3-5
King James Version
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
It is God's power that will keep us until the Eternal State and into Eternity.
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Post by P1LGR1M on Aug 30, 2022 7:18:18 GMT -8
Again, the new covenant is not about the fact that man cannot possibly be righteous, It's not?
Hebrews 8:7-12
King James Version
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Hebrews 10:15-18
King James Version
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
Ezekiel 36:22-27
King James Version
22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, thus saith the Lord God; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord, saith the Lord God, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
On the contrary, the New Covenant is very much about the fact that man cannot be righteous enough to save himself.
Nor to keep himself saved:
Isaiah 41:26
Who hath declared from the beginning, that we may know? and beforetime, that we may say, He is righteous? yea, there is none that sheweth, yea, there is none that declareth, yea, there is none that heareth your words.
Romans 3:10
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Old or New Testament, in temporal context there is none righteous, no, not one.
Our greatest righteousnesses still amount to filthy rags when held to the standard of God's righteousness.
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Post by P1LGR1M on Aug 30, 2022 7:28:58 GMT -8
rather it's about the fact that man cannot possibly be righteous apart from God. Again, sorry, no.
There is a righteousness man can achieve "apart from God." But it will not save him. Never has, never will.
Noah was righteous. Lot was righteous. Both were spared physically but still died in need of Jesus Christ.
The Publican, Zecharias, and Elisabeth were righteous, and this because of what they did, but they still needed Jesus Christ to die in their stead.
Man was never created to be a sinner. He wasn't?
You mean that God's plan was to have man in the Garden forever?
That God allowed sin in Adam's life was known to Him before the heavens and earth were created.
God's Plan was to make a people like unto Christ all along, that we might live with Him eternally in the new heavens and Earth He knew all along He would need to create.
It's kind of like having a dog: we don't usually go out and buy trained service dogs, we usually just go get a puppy, right? And a bond is grown between Master and pup that is more intimate than the trained dog.
Adam caused the separation between God and humanity that guarantees sinfulness in man. And even though God walked with Adam directly Adam still sinned.
We now walk with God directly through His eternal indwelling and we still—sin.
Or do you think that as long as you don't sin bad enough you will maintain the salvation Christ got started for you?
Do you really think you are made perfect in the flesh?
Jesus reconciles us with God again. Again, sorry, but you are in great error.
Adam was not in Christ.
We are not reconciled to God "again," we are made new creations in Christ, and there were no born-again believers prior to Pentecost.
This is the one Biblical Truth that is going to help you better understand your Eternal Redemption.
You were conceived and born and grew up separated from God. At no time were you ever in relationship with God until you were born again.
That is just a basic truth you need to give some thought to. “If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” Matt 19:17
Keep in mind that the Gospel was not revealed to men by Christ in His earthly ministry.
A declaration of righteousness could be achieved by men but Temporal Justification is not to be confused with Eternal Redemption.
Even Gentiles who did not have the Law could be justified by being obedient to the revelation God had given them:
Romans 2:10-15
King James Version
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another)
But the Gentiles that were temporally justified also died awaiting Jesus Christ to be born of a woman that He might eternally redeem them.
The Sacrifice of Christ and His Resurrection are the means for the new creature:
John 3:3-5
King James Version
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:9-16
King James Version
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
1 Peter 1:3
King James Version
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
When we seek to make Eternal Redemption through faith in Jesus Christ something other than what the Gospel itself declares then we have embraced another gospel that is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
We either believe God sent His Son to die for us that we might have Eternal Life, or we don't.
God bless.
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Post by P1LGR1M on Aug 30, 2022 8:37:34 GMT -8
I'm sure that is a typo and you meant to say you are not trying to attack me personally, and I understand that.
I still caution you to give some thought to the point that we see that the Apostles did in fact sin after salvation, and they were at no time in danger of "losing their salvation."
I am addressing another one of the L.O.S.T. (loss of salvation teachers) now in regards to holiness, so if you'd care to view the arguments I present there I can assure you that they are relevant to your own views.
As far as being KJVonly, I would point out that a "new translation" was used by most in Christ's day, and it is quite likely that Paul used one based on quotes he presents in his writings: the Septuagint, which is a Greek Translation of the Hebrews Scriptures.
I prefer the KJV because I have looked at the original language and feel that the KJV translators were no slouches. But it is to the original language we have to go to in order to understand how certain words would have applied to the culture Scripture was written to. For example, the word "letteth" in 2 Thessalonians 2 means "restrain." We can't make sense of the passage if we apply a modern meaning of "let." Another would be "ghost." It is a reference to a spirit, not a haunting apparition as we usually use it today.
But I am not going to condemn you for your view. You have to decide on that, and I am confident God will, as he helps you grow in grace, finish the work He has begun in you.
I have enjoyed the discussion, and my hope for you is that God will bless you in your walk with Him.
God bless.
I'm only aware of a single instance recorded in scripture where we see an Apostle ( post Pentecost ) guilty of a sin and was confronted for that sin. Paul confronted Peter one time for the hypocrisy with the Jews and tells the story in Galatians 2. Are you aware of any other instances ? Thanks !
I have an opinion on one event that for me causes me to question Paul's actions:
Acts 21:17-28
King James Version
17 And when we were come to Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly.
18 And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present.
19 And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry.
20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:
21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.
22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come.
23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;
24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.
25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.
26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.
27 And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him,
28 Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place.
Again, this is just opinion, but I don't feel Paul should have given in to the desires of "the brethren" to partake in this ritual that involved sacrifice to "prove he wasn't teaching people to forsake Moses (the Law)."
First, we have already seen the sin of the Elders in Jerusalem in their confusion concerning Gentiles (Acts 15), and the question is do we see a dichotomy in the Body of Christ (in which there is neither Jew nor Greek/Gentile) and for Jews they must keep the Law but this is not required of Gentiles?
No, because the Gospel does not tack keeping the Law on for either Jew or Gentile.
However, we have to keep in mind that there is no prohibition for Jews to maintain their heritage, so the observance of celebrations that involve sacrifice doesn't mean they are keeping the Law. Passover, for example, can be observed with the sacrifice because just like Communion it is a memorial.
So while I wouldn't be dogmatic about it, I do feel Paul made the wrong call in agreeing to satisfy the Elder's desire to "prove" he wasn't teaching to forsake Moses. He was in fact teaching that Jews needed to progress from Moses (not abandon) as the Writer of Hebrews states here:
Hebrews 5:10-6:1
King James Version
10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
6 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
And he definitely taught that salvation was not accomplished by keeping the Law. His entire ministry was the preaching of the Gospel and Eternal Redemption through Christ, and this was viewed by the Elders as "teaching to forsake Moses (Law)."
So I see a problem with both parties, lol.
As far as other "sins" committed by the Apostles, I'll have to give that some thought. Only takes Galatians 2 to see that sin was possible for them. This dispels the notion that Christians cannot sin after being saved, or that they can achieve sinlessness.
Paul's disagreement with Barnabus comes to mind as well, and we have to consider that Paul said he was the chief of sinners, not that he used to be the chief of sinners, lol.
Acts 15:36-41
King James Version
36 And some days after Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us go again and visit our brethren in every city where we have preached the word of the Lord, and see how they do.
37 And Barnabas determined to take with them John, whose surname was Mark.
38 But Paul thought not good to take him with them, who departed from them from Pamphylia, and went not with them to the work.
39 And the contention was so sharp between them, that they departed asunder one from the other: and so Barnabas took Mark, and sailed unto Cyprus;
40 And Paul chose Silas, and departed, being recommended by the brethren unto the grace of God.
41 And he went through Syria and Cilicia, confirming the churches.
It seems Paul changes his mind about John Mark later, but here his contention creates a rift that separates the two men. Not sure we can paint this over with a broad-brush and somehow make an argument like this not to be sin on someone's part. It could be argued, sure, that both were sincere in why they stuck to their guns, but if we saw this happen between, say, a Pastor and associate Pastor it would not be considered very mature, right?
I'll give it some thought, though, it is an interesting issue.
God bless.
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Post by hansen on Aug 30, 2022 12:57:49 GMT -8
I would think very hard about what Scripture says, since those are God’s words not mine, and about the purpose of grace, how it operates in a believer’s life. grace is unmerited favor, as apposed to a reward, or wage, which is merited or earned favor. I would be worried about those who teach that grace is something that it is not. especially when they attempt to teach it is actually merited or earned by any mreans It's unmerited in any case, but more than favor. |
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Aug 30, 2022 20:02:13 GMT -8
Lots of contingency there. ......yet not a single word about “Grace”——- the only thing that ever Saved any man who ever “got” Saved....... how strange... “It is by GRACE that you are Saved” Seems pretty straight- forward to me....Grace Saves.....Adding to Grace with Works and you cancel the Grace That should have Saved you....I would think very hard before doing that... I would think very hard about what Scripture says, since those are God’s words not mine, and about the purpose of grace, how it operates in a believer’s life. I HAVE thought about it...l know THIS about Grace.....”Grace is of NO EFFECT” to you that ADD to the Gospel with your Works.....Grace is the only Thing That Saves you......add .0000001 % of any “ WORK” to Grace and you have cancelled the very thing that could have saved you... its beyond obvious that many In these Forums have ADDED to Paul’s Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing (for Salvation) and have “Fallen From Grace”—— let’s pray that this sad Condition is not tantamount to Damnation.....Could turn out that the “ Narrow Path” That Jesus spoke of could be VERY Narrow.... |
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Post by hansen on Aug 30, 2022 20:56:43 GMT -8
I would think very hard about what Scripture says, since those are God’s words not mine, and about the purpose of grace, how it operates in a believer’s life. I HAVE thought about it...l know THIS about Grace.....”Grace is of NO EFFECT” to you that ADD to the Gospel with your Works.....Grace is the only Thing That Saves you......add .0000001 % of any “ WORK” to Grace and you have cancelled the very thing that could have saved you... its beyond obvious that many In these Forums have ADDED to Paul’s Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing (for Salvation) and have “Fallen From Grace”—— let’s pray that this sad Condition is not tantamount to Damnation.....Could turn out that the “ Narrow Path” That Jesus spoke of could be VERY Narrow.... I know this. Grace can be resisted. God's will can be opposed-and that started for man beginning in Eden-and God's been patiently working with man ever since to draw him back into alignment with His will. And until you love God with your whole heart, soul, mind and strength and your neighbor and yourself, then you still haven't given yourself totally over to the good, to God, despite some foolish notion about having a perfect status before Him just because you beiieve. Those who refrain from sin, those who do what is right, are righteous. Anything else is to mock and trample upon truth. |
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Aug 30, 2022 23:06:58 GMT -8
But enough of my commentary, let me tear this down real quick. There are assemblies and people to be avoided; and it’s these types: “Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.” (Romans 16:17-18) THESE ARE THE ASSEMBLIES I AVOID. Let me rebuild it real quick: you avoid all assemblies. Clearly in violation of the Word of God. Secondly, by elevating yourself above all other believers you are guilty of the sin of pride. You are puffed up, my friend, and think more of yourself than ye ought. That is sin. And the longer you continue trying to convince people that you never sin the more you are going to expose yourself as a liar according to John's teaching. Tell me this: is there one person in your life that has told you they believe you to be sinless?
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Sinless? Lol.....yeah , right.......Is this guy married ? Let me talk to his Wife for Two Minutes....we will see how “ Sinless” this guy is....
I wonder how this Deceived man’s “ thought life” is.....if you even have a lustful “ Thought” you are as Guilty in the eye of God as a Rapist......
Another thing that this Foolish Crowd NEVER wants to talk about are those pesky little sins of OMISSION—- wonder how many strangers Ol’ Mich invited into his home today to feed and clothe today.....how many Selfish hours does he spend watching television or enjoying his hobbies while help is needed at the food banks and hospitals..... If there is something good to be done and you know about yet you don’t DO anything about it—— it’s a Sin......lol.....they NEVER discuss “ those” types of sins.....Now would be a good time....Anybody else near nothing but Crickets? |
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Aug 30, 2022 23:19:50 GMT -8
P1LGR1M There isn’t any point in continuing this discussion. Not because of any ill feelings or because your challenges cannot be answered, But because in the end you will not change my mind, and I will not change yours. For over 10 years I have withstood the prevailing philosophy that the Bible cannot be taken at face value. I have withstood the many sectarian influences, I have refused to let men discourage my absolute faith in the King James Bible. The enemy has many weapons. He attacks from various points with a multitude of reasons that appeal to the corrupt old fleshly man. I have buried that old sinful corrupt man and I will never revive him again through the tricks of Satan. I have settled it in my mind that I will never allow man to override the scriptures in any degree regardless of how appealing his explanations are no matter how much my flesh pokes at me to give in. Take this however you want. I’m just expressing myself in honesty and not attacking you personally. I “take it” this way—— you are the very Definition of one that is “ Stiff- Necked”......You are eager to leave the discussion because your Pablum is being confronted and dismantled by Scripture....It ain't easy debating with people that are better “ Students Of The Word” than you are , zand who have been gifted by God to understand how to “ Rightly Divide” His Word.....God said that if you did not study His Word “ properly”, you would have to “stand Ashamed” .....If That is not what is being played out here......it “ should “ be...... |
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Aug 30, 2022 23:43:05 GMT -8
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
It is God's power that will keep us until the Eternal State and into Eternity.
Here is a great Promise to reenforce your Biblical insight and Wisdom—- 1Cor:1:8..... “For it is GOD that will give you strength , so at last , you will be Without Blame on that Day that Jesus returns!”
Call me “crazy” , but I just happen to Believe that when God makes a Promise—- he keeps it! Promises like that are the Reason that I REST in the Truth that my Salvation is secure —— totally “secure” because it’s all in His Hands and not mine.....
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Aug 31, 2022 0:08:06 GMT -8
I know this. Grace can be resisted. God's will can be opposed-and that started for man beginning in Eden-and God's been patiently working with man ever since to draw him back into alignment with His will. And until you love God with your whole heart, soul, mind and strength and your neighbor and yourself, then you still haven't given yourself totally over to the good, to God, despite some foolish notion about having a perfect status before Him just because you beiieve. Those who refrain from sin, those who do what is right, are righteous. Anything else is to mock and trample upon truth. wow.......where to start? First Of all , only Jesus loved God with *ALL* his heart —- and you ain't Jesus....if people could do that, Jesus wentbto The Cross in Vain.... The last time you bought a shirt—— did you also buy one for your neighbor? You did it for “ yourself” , didn’t you? If you truly loved your neighbor as much as you “ loved yourself”, you would have bought him a shirt also—- right ? Why not give up your Phony Act and just admit that you are a Sinner who MUST have Grace or you ain’t got a prayer—- the first step in becoming a Christian is having a Contrite Heart—- understanding that you can’t live up to God's Impossible Standard and then crying out for His Mercy like the Publican did....You do NOT love God with * ALL* of your heart and you never will! Jesus taught these things to show you your need for Grace .....Paul referred to the Law as an “ impossible system“ that neither * HE* nor his Fathers could keep......and you think that YOU will? Due to your lack of understanding about the purpose of the Law , you are living in a “ Fool’s Paradise” , Thinking somehow that you “ measure up” because you have deluded yourself into believing that you love God with ALL of your Heart....God has “ Good News” for those with Contrite Hearts That Know and Admit that they can’t “ make the grade” by their pitiful Performance in order to Merit Salvation—— you can find that “ good news” in 1Cor15:1-4..... may God open your heart to it.... |
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Post by eternallygrateful on Aug 31, 2022 2:43:42 GMT -8
grace is unmerited favor, as apposed to a reward, or wage, which is merited or earned favor. I would be worried about those who teach that grace is something that it is not. especially when they attempt to teach it is actually merited or earned by any mreans It's unmerited in any case, but more than favor. Not according to your church. It would be called merited favor..Its just your church deny's they are trying to merit that favor by works |
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Post by michaiah on Aug 31, 2022 3:30:41 GMT -8
bloodbought1953Searching out iniquities are we?Your measure of truth should be the Holy Bible, not a man’s wife. Or did you forget the scripture that a man’s foes can be those of his very household? “And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.” (Matthew 10:36) But this is my meditation this morning after reading your provocative post: “Hide me from the secret counsel of the wicked; from the insurrection of the workers of iniquity: Who whet their tongue like a sword, and bend their bows to shoot their arrows, even bitter words: That they may shoot in secret at the perfect: suddenly do they shoot at him, and fear not. They encourage themselves in an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them? They search out iniquities; they accomplish a diligent search: both the inward thought of every one of them, and the heart, is deep.” (Psalms 64:2-6)
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Post by Redeemed on Aug 31, 2022 8:19:36 GMT -8
“Those who once become true Christians cannot totally fall away and be lost—that while they may fall into sin temporarily, they will eventually return and be saved.” According to Loraine Boettner an American theologian, teacher, and author in the Reformed tradition. Armenian view Of eternal security is not the same. The classical Arminian doctrine that posits the conditional nature of eternal security is certainly not as popular as the ‘once saved, always saved’ idea. Arminius and the initial Remonstrants were not resolute in the opinion that one could become apostate from the regenerate state. Dive DeeperOne negative point about not understanding how saved you really are is that Christians who are insecure about where they stand with God have a difficult time sharing the love of God with others. They often find it impossible to get beyond their own struggle with salvation. Not everyone who rejects the notion of “once saved, always saved” has this problem. But I have met many that for them this barrier is real. As long as I have an ongoing role in the salvation process, my natural tendency will be to focus on my behavior rather than on Christ. Yet we are commanded to make Christ our focus. Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth. 3 For you have died, and your life is hid with Christ in God. 4 When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with him in glory. Colossians 3:2–4 Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with perseverance the race that is set before us, 2 looking to Jesus the pioneer and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God. Hebrews 12:1–2 |
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