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Post by eternallygrateful on Sept 1, 2022 8:55:32 GMT -8
It’s hard to know where to even begin here. The church has never taught that sin is meaningless. It taught that sin can keep you from heaven!!! And still teaches that. Some Sola Fide adherents, OTOH, because the doctrine insists that righteousness is merely imputed or declared anyway at justification, may see themselves as sinless even though they’re not: “simul justus et peccator”, etc. And this is nothing but pretense, hypocrisy, nothing to do with the gospel; God doesn’t deal in falsehoods. Anyway, the idea that the believer is free from the penalties of sin as long as they have faith has also led some to think that grace/the gospel is a license to sin as Jude 1:4, for example, makes clear was already a threat at the beginning. But the church always opposed this, as Paul and others did, of course. And the early church opposed it so severely that, across the board, throughout the church world, it was considered that, if someone sinned in some grave and serious manner: adultery, murder, etc, they were no longer part of God’s fold, and repentance was impossible. Christians had turned away from the world and its sin, often at great cost. Persecution and martyrdom were normal occurrences. Certain New Testament passages support this idea that repentance is impossible, and, as well, it was simply the consensus that was received and held at the beginning. So much for forgiveness being some sort of carte blanc already-ever-accomplished deal as long as one believes.In the 200s AD, however, the overseer/bishop of Rome, Callistus, ruled that a person could, with a sincere change of heart, come to repentance and return to fellowship with God and His followers, even as this was allowed only over time and after much penance was involved. This was very controversial, causing no little storm within the church. He based this on the understanding of God’s mercy and love and desire that all come to Him. Eventually this teaching would take root and be accepted throughout the church, everywhere. Either way, sin continued to have much meaning in the church, quite different from today’s climate in general I might add. Other actions would be required of the church, in the east and west, as the need arose, sometimes driven by other controversies. The canon of the new testament would be assembled at council in the 300s, as well as the doctrine of the Trinty and the nature of Christ being hammered out due to the Arian controversy. In the 400s the Pelagian controversy arose over the role of man’s will vs grace in his salvation. A big plus that came out of it all was that, based mainly on the arguments that ensued, most of them from Augustine, doctrines on grace were set down in the following century at council. Using 25 canons or statements it was solidly maintained that fallen man cannot possibly move himself to God in any way, that he has not the power to find God to begin with, or to please Him, to come to faith in Him, to justify himself, to live out the righteousness demanded by the law because he doesn’t possess that righteousness within himself to begin with, on his own. And yet the law is holy and good; man was made for it; he wasn’t created to be a sinner after all. The real distinction between fallen and redeemed man is that fallen man lacks God, union with Him, due to his own ignorance and pride-driven preference for himself over God, initated by Adam. Man cannot pull himself up by his own bootstraps; he needs grace, he needs God to find him, to inform him, to call him, to move him, to justify him. What Paul means by saying that we’re justified and saved by faith is that we’re justified by grace, by God, as opposed to ourselves, because faith makes God our God again. Faith is to say yes to God, placing us into right stead and order with Him. Adam had said no to God, and He’s been patiently working with mankind ever since to bring us back around to yes, definitively made available to all with the advent of His Son who reveals and reconciles us with Him. That faith, that agreement, that yes, that unity, is what pleased God first above all else about Abraham’s response. It’s a game-changer for man- it’s the basis of justice for man, it’s what we were all made for. But the church also maintained that man, even when called by God, can still say no. He can resist grace at any time. He’s not just saved but on a journey to salvation, to his purpose, to fulfilling that which he was made for which can be summed by loving God with his whole heart, soul, mind and strength and his neighbor as himself. In this profound, supernatural love, in this transformation into God’s image, is found all the purpose, satisfaction, and happiness a human can know and possess. Within that he has finally obtained the true and priceless Object of all human desire. But it’s also a journey that he can jump off of at any time, returning to the flesh, departing from the Spirit. So it’s a struggle, between our pride/desire to sin and our choice for good over that evil. So, after the 25 canons the church stated thusly: “According to the catholic [universal] faith we also believe that after grace has been received through baptism, all baptized persons have the ability and responsibility, if they desire to labor faithfully, to perform with the aid and cooperation of Christ what is of essential importance in regard to the salvation of their soul. We not only do not believe that any are foreordained to evil by the power of God, but even state with utter abhorrence that if there are those who want to believe so evil a thing, they are anathema. We also believe and confess to our benefit that in every good work it is not we who take the initiative and are then assisted through the mercy of God, but God Himself first inspires in us both faith in Him and love for Him without any previous good works of our own that deserve reward, so that we may both faithfully seek the sacrament of baptism, and after baptism be able by His help to do what is pleasing to Him.” While baptismal regeneration was the normal belief held by all the churches from antiquity, those going by Scripture alone in these later days often argue with each other over it. Either way baptism, aka “the sacrament of faith”, was considered to be the moment a person is born again, dying to the old man and coming up from the waters as a new creation in obedience to Christ’s command. At baptism one is forgiven and cleansed of sin. It’s taught that, at that moment, providing that faith is genuine, nothing would stand between the believer and heaven if they were to die then and there. Sacraments, BTW, are theology “set in stone” so that even the simple, often illiterate man down through the centuries, can know and live out God’s will in the most basic ways: the need for rebirth, the need for continuous communion with and nurturing from God, the need to reconcile with Him again if need. All grace, and yet grace that must be “claimed” as it’s accepted and acted upon daily. We must walk the walk-and that’s both a gift and a choice. As we proceed on that journey, growing in the knowledge and love of God, our choice for good is becoming firmer, more sure, more complete, and so is our salvation. The problem with expecting someone to accept your opinion is tha lack of any kind of proof text. You are giving your opinion of what the church says which is by definition heresay. I would be interested in the suprior doctrine but if scripture is absent you could maybe back it up with some historical references. even if he had historical perspectives. apart from scripture. It is meaningless. The people in power write history.. they also delete history if it does not support them
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Post by rickstudies on Sept 1, 2022 10:08:05 GMT -8
The problem with expecting someone to accept your opinion is tha lack of any kind of proof text. You are giving your opinion of what the church says which is by definition heresay. I would be interested in the suprior doctrine but if scripture is absent you could maybe back it up with some historical references. even if he had historical perspectives. apart from scripture. It is meaningless. The people in power write history.. they also delete history if it does not support them If he doesn`t have them he can get them. I would be interested in having a fresh look at Catholic theology. Been a long time, over 30 years except for a big debate over the orgin of the trinity doctrine I had with some once. I want to see some examples of Catholic theology that are considered to be in the "superior" catogory. But I require something more than just heresay which does not suffice to hold up as superior if we are going apply apologetics in any meaningful way.
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Post by Aeliana on Sept 1, 2022 11:04:09 GMT -8
Well since you liked that story so well, let me copy&paste another.
“WHERE IS YOUR FAITH?”
Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts. Zechariah 4:6
And he awoke and rebuked the wind and the raging waves, and they ceased, and there was a calm. He said to them, “Where is your faith?” And they were afaid. Luke 8:24–25
THE SEA WAS QUIET now. And there was just breeze enough to push the boat along. The disciples were quiet too. Andrew was steering. He had taken over for Peter, who sat wrapped in a cloak, exhausted and lost in thought. He had been soaked to the skin.
A few others were bailing out the remaining water. Jesus was sleeping again. James leaned on the bow gunwale watching reflections dance on gentle waves. James knew this sea. He and John had spent most of their lives on or in it. His father was a fisherman.
So were most of his male kin and fiends. His memory flashed the faces of some of them who had drowned in unpredictable Galilean windstorms like the one that had pummeled them barely a half hour ago. A seasoned boatman, James was not alarmed easily.
But he knew a man-eater when he saw it. This storm had opened its mouth to swallow them all into the abyss. Terror had been in John’s eyes when he grabbed James and yelled, “We have to tell the Master!” They stumbled to the stern. How Jesus had remained sleeping while the furious surf tossed the boat around was itself a wonder. They woke him screaming, “Master, Master, we are perishing!” (v. 24).
James would never forget the way Jesus looked at him. His eyes were at once potent and tranquil. No trace of fear. Laying aside the blanket, Jesus rose to full height on the rear deck. James, fearing Jesus was about to be pitched overboard, reached to grab him just as Jesus shouted, “Peace! Be still!” (Mark 4:39).
No sooner had those words lef his mouth and the wind was completely gone! The sudden hush of the howling was otherworldly. The waves immediately began to abate. Each disciple stood where he was, looking dumbfounded at the water and sky and each other.
Jesus’s gaze lingered for a moment on the steep hills along the western shore. Then he looked around at the Twelve and said, “Where is your faith?” (v. 25). He had looked right at James when he said “faith.” Now, as James leaned on the bow, he turned Jesus’s question over and over in his mind. “Where is your faith?”
When Jesus first said it, James felt its intended rebuke. Didn’t he trust God? He thought he had. But the storm proved that all the confidence he felt when the pressure was off was fair-weather faith. The Galilean westerlies had swept it away. He felt chastened and humbled.
But the more James thought about the question, the deeper it dug into him. “Where is your faith?” Where? My faith is in what I see. My faith is in what I feel. When the storm hit, I trusted what my eyes saw. I trusted what my skin felt. I trusted the violent force that was tossing the boat like a toy.
I trusted the stories told by my father. I trusted the tragedies I remember. I trusted the power of the storm because storms kill people. Is that wrong? Up until a few minutes before, this would have merely seemed like common sense. But Jesus had changed everything.
James looked back to the sleeping Jesus. He looked almost the same as when the storm was raging. But which had looked more powerful then? What his eyes saw. But which really was more powerful? Jesus had killed the killer storm with a word. James felt fear wash over him again.
But it was a very different kind of fear. He thought, “Who then is this?” (v. 25). As James looked back down at the water, the psalmist’s words came to mind: For I know that the LORD is great, and that our Lord is above all gods. Whatever the LORD pleases, he does, in heaven and on earth, in the seas and all deeps. He it is who makes the clouds rise at the end of the earth, who makes lightnings for the rain and brings forth the wind fom his storehouses. (Ps. 135:5–7) James trembled.
What Jesus did for James and the other disciples when he quieted the storm was a fear-transfer. One moment they feared the storm and the next moment they feared Jesus, with a holy, reverent fear. This storm was a gif fom God to them because it taught them just how powerful Jesus was and deepened their faith in him.
And it prepared them to weather other, even more deadly kinds of storms that lay ahead of them. When the storms of life hit, they almost always appear stronger to us than God’s Word. It is crucial for us to remember that our perceptions can be deceptive. When circumstances strike fear into our hearts, the question we must ask ourselves is, where is your faith? What God wants is for you to trust what he says over what you see.
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Post by civic on Sept 1, 2022 11:18:59 GMT -8
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Post by Redeemed on Sept 1, 2022 11:23:40 GMT -8
Hi, I am curious how you reached the conclusion " Faith does not save a person" when there are many verses in the Bible that do say faith/belief saves? In Rom 5:1-2 Paul says faith is what gives access to grace....no faith = no grace. Grace does save but faith is necessary to access that grace, hence in that sense faith does save for without faith there is no grace. One either has a NT faith or is faithless. If NT faith does not save then does faithlessness save? Does God save the faithless? I am also curious when you say the woman's leaping did not save her. How could she have been saved by not leaping but instead stay in the burning building? Even though a net and firemen were in place to catch her, they would have been useless had the woman not leaped, she would have died in the fire without leaping. Her leaping was just as necessary to her being saved as was the net and firemen. She may have had faith the firemen would catch her, but if she did not put that faith in action and leap she would have died.....faith only would have killed her in having faith apart from work in leaping. Much like faith gives access to grace/salvation (Rom 5:1-2) her faith, as proven by her leaping (James 2:18), gave her access to the salvation below provided by the net and fireman......no faith = no leaping = no salvation. A person is drowning. I am standing on the shore and throw that person a lifeline and yell "save yourself and grab the line and I will pull you to safety". Myself, the rope and the person grabbing the lifeline all played a role in the salvation of the drowning person. Since salvation would not have occurred if the person did not grab the rope, then it can be said the person "saved himself" by grabbing the rope. The drowning person did not save themselves by themselves for salvation would not occurred apart from me and the life line but they saved themselves by choosing to use the means of salvation offered them. In Acts 2 Peter threw a lifeline (repent and be baptized for remission of sins) to men who were lost drowning in sin and yelled "save yourselves" (Acts 2:40). They could not save themselves by themselves but saved themselves in grabbing the lifeline provided them by repenting and being baptized. There is an obvious synergism between God and man in salvation.....God provides the grace (lifeline) and man provides the faith (grabbing the lifeline). Lastly, where is the certified guarantee made to the woman that she would never find herself in a burning building ever again? According to 1 John 1:7-10 Christians sin therefore it is necessary for Christians to continue to walk in the light whereby the blood of Christ continues to cleanse away all sins. How are sins forgiven apart from walking in the light, that is, apart from walking in Christ and by His word. If all sins, past present and future, have been forgiven then why did John even say to walk in the light to have sins cleanse if all sins have ALREADY been forgiven? When one is baptized all his sins he has committed in the past are forgiven yet for future sins to be forgiven one must continue to walk in the light and those future sins are forgiven "IF" (conditional word) continues to walk in the light. My thoughts are God's grace not only provides salvation, but His power also gives us the ability to both desire and receive it. He works in us "both to will and to do." His working in us to "will" is the new birth, and, I say again, this work of regeneration (new birth) is totally the work of the Holy Spirit. The moment we lose sight of this distinction between being "saved by faith" (the act of man) and being "born again by the Holy Spirit" (the act of God), we are heading for confusion and trouble. We will be convinced that man is able to do what the Bible emphatically states he is unable to do.
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Post by gomer on Sept 1, 2022 13:54:06 GMT -8
gomerCharles Stanley false claims a Christian can still be saved even if the Christian quits believing, quits hearing and following Christ. Yet Stanley struggled with the present tense..if one must have belief to have eternal life, then doesn't it make sense one must continue to believe to keep eternal life:Sounds like a false claim to me. To continue to have eternal life you must remain in Christ. You have to abide, abide, abide in Christ. so what happens if you stop abiding in Christ and go back to abiding in the world and walking in the flesh? Think of the parable of the Prodigal son. When he got tired of feeding the pigs, When he had made of mess of his life he went home. “The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’ “But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’” It's not that we can't blow it, It's more like God Can Make A way were there seems to be no way. False claim??? No, it's in his books: "Even if a believer for all practical purposes becomes an unbeliever, his salvation is not in jeopardy" ("Eternal Security"; Chapter 10, p. 93). "And last, believers who lose or abandon their faith will retain their salvation, for God remains faithful" ("Eternal Security; p. 94) "Christ will not deny an unbelieving Christian his or her salvation because to do so would be to deny Himself." ("Eternal Security"; p. 94)
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Post by gomer on Sept 1, 2022 13:59:58 GMT -8
gomerIt's a story, I must not have made myself clear. It's not my story. Therefore, feel free to interpret it any way you like. I don't think our faith is what saves us it's our faith in what Jesus did on the cross that saves us. The shedding of his blood. His finished work on the cross. So our Salvation is by faith in what he did. "I don't think our faith is what saves us it's our faith in what Jesus did on the cross that saves us." This statement you made is a little confusing. You first say our faith doesn't save then say our faith does save. Can you give clarification on the difference in the faith you say does not save versus the faith you say that does save.
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Post by Theophilus on Sept 1, 2022 14:02:07 GMT -8
gomerCharles Stanley false claims a Christian can still be saved even if the Christian quits believing, quits hearing and following Christ. Yet Stanley struggled with the present tense..if one must have belief to have eternal life, then doesn't it make sense one must continue to believe to keep eternal life:Sounds like a false claim to me. To continue to have eternal life you must remain in Christ. You have to abide, abide, abide in Christ. so what happens if you stop abiding in Christ and go back to abiding in the world and walking in the flesh? Think of the parable of the Prodigal son. When he got tired of feeding the pigs, When he had made of mess of his life he went home. “The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’ “But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’” It's not that we can't blow it, It's more like God Can Make A way were there seems to be no way. False claim??? No, it's in his books: "Even if a believer for all practical purposes becomes an unbeliever, his salvation is not in jeopardy" ("Eternal Security"; Chapter 10, p. 93). "And last, believers who lose or abandon their faith will retain their salvation, for God remains faithful" ("Eternal Security; p. 94) "Christ will not deny an unbelieving Christian his or her salvation because to do so would be to deny Himself." ("Eternal Security"; p. 94) LOL I'm Agreeing with you. Charles Stanley false claims a Christian can still be saved even if the Christian quits believing, quits hearing and following Christ. Yet Stanley struggled with the present tense..if one must have belief to have eternal life, then doesn't it make sense one must continue to believe to keep eternal life:
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Post by gomer on Sept 1, 2022 14:03:54 GMT -8
Hi, I am curious how you reached the conclusion " Faith does not save a person" when there are many verses in the Bible that do say faith/belief saves? In Rom 5:1-2 Paul says faith is what gives access to grace....no faith = no grace. Grace does save but faith is necessary to access that grace, hence in that sense faith does save for without faith there is no grace. One either has a NT faith or is faithless. If NT faith does not save then does faithlessness save? Does God save the faithless? I am also curious when you say the woman's leaping did not save her. How could she have been saved by not leaping but instead stay in the burning building? Even though a net and firemen were in place to catch her, they would have been useless had the woman not leaped, she would have died in the fire without leaping. Her leaping was just as necessary to her being saved as was the net and firemen. She may have had faith the firemen would catch her, but if she did not put that faith in action and leap she would have died.....faith only would have killed her in having faith apart from work in leaping. Much like faith gives access to grace/salvation (Rom 5:1-2) her faith, as proven by her leaping (James 2:18), gave her access to the salvation below provided by the net and fireman......no faith = no leaping = no salvation. A person is drowning. I am standing on the shore and throw that person a lifeline and yell "save yourself and grab the line and I will pull you to safety". Myself, the rope and the person grabbing the lifeline all played a role in the salvation of the drowning person. Since salvation would not have occurred if the person did not grab the rope, then it can be said the person "saved himself" by grabbing the rope. The drowning person did not save themselves by themselves for salvation would not occurred apart from me and the life line but they saved themselves by choosing to use the means of salvation offered them. In Acts 2 Peter threw a lifeline (repent and be baptized for remission of sins) to men who were lost drowning in sin and yelled "save yourselves" (Acts 2:40). They could not save themselves by themselves but saved themselves in grabbing the lifeline provided them by repenting and being baptized. There is an obvious synergism between God and man in salvation.....God provides the grace (lifeline) and man provides the faith (grabbing the lifeline). Lastly, where is the certified guarantee made to the woman that she would never find herself in a burning building ever again? According to 1 John 1:7-10 Christians sin therefore it is necessary for Christians to continue to walk in the light whereby the blood of Christ continues to cleanse away all sins. How are sins forgiven apart from walking in the light, that is, apart from walking in Christ and by His word. If all sins, past present and future, have been forgiven then why did John even say to walk in the light to have sins cleanse if all sins have ALREADY been forgiven? When one is baptized all his sins he has committed in the past are forgiven yet for future sins to be forgiven one must continue to walk in the light and those future sins are forgiven "IF" (conditional word) continues to walk in the light. My thoughts are God's grace not only provides salvation, but His power also gives us the ability to both desire and receive it. He works in us "both to will and to do." His working in us to "will" is the new birth, and, I say again, this work of regeneration (new birth) is totally the work of the Holy Spirit. The moment we lose sight of this distinction between being "saved by faith" (the act of man) and being "born again by the Holy Spirit" (the act of God), we are heading for confusion and trouble. We will be convinced that man is able to do what the Bible emphatically states he is unable to do. You posted ".....His power also gives us the ability to both desire and receive it." For clarification, are you saying God must first miraculously, directly act upon a man before that man is able to be saved?
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Post by gomer on Sept 1, 2022 14:08:24 GMT -8
False claim??? No, it's in his books: "Even if a believer for all practical purposes becomes an unbeliever, his salvation is not in jeopardy" ("Eternal Security"; Chapter 10, p. 93). "And last, believers who lose or abandon their faith will retain their salvation, for God remains faithful" ("Eternal Security; p. 94) "Christ will not deny an unbelieving Christian his or her salvation because to do so would be to deny Himself." ("Eternal Security"; p. 94) LOL I'm Agreeing with you. Charles Stanley false claims a Christian can still be saved even if the Christian quits believing, quits hearing and following Christ. Yet Stanley struggled with the present tense..if one must have belief to have eternal life, then doesn't it make sense one must continue to believe to keep eternal life: Stanley makes many false claims. The idea salvation can be had completely apart from faith goes against the entire teaching of the NT.
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Post by Aeliana on Sept 1, 2022 14:13:23 GMT -8
gomerIt's a story, I must not have made myself clear. It's not my story. Therefore, feel free to interpret it any way you like. I don't think our faith is what saves us it's our faith in what Jesus did on the cross that saves us. The shedding of his blood. His finished work on the cross. So our Salvation is by faith in what he did. "I don't think our faith is what saves us it's our faith in what Jesus did on the cross that saves us." This statement you made is a little confusing. You first say our faith doesn't save then say our faith does save. Can you give clarification on the difference in the faith you say does not save versus the faith you say that does save. My pleasure. It's not faith that saves you, It's what your faith is in. You can have faith and Mohammed that's not going to save you. In a technical sense, faith does not save. The act of faith itself does not take way sin or confer righteousness. Instead, faith receives what someone else has done to take away sin and give life. Jesus is the One who has done what is necessary for sinners to be saved. Faith that saves receives salvation like a person receives a free meal. A person sits at a table and food is placed on the person’s plate. The meal has been freely given to the person but the food does the person no good until it is internalized. The food must be taken in to be efficacious for the person. Faith internalizes the truths of the gospel. Faith accepts the gospel as true and applies its truths to the individual’s own life.
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Post by Redeemed on Sept 1, 2022 14:28:15 GMT -8
LOL I'm Agreeing with you. Charles Stanley false claims a Christian can still be saved even if the Christian quits believing, quits hearing and following Christ. Yet Stanley struggled with the present tense..if one must have belief to have eternal life, then doesn't it make sense one must continue to believe to keep eternal life: Stanley makes many false claims. The idea salvation can be had completely apart from faith goes against the entire teaching of the NT. So I take it you're not a big Charles Stanley fan. Have you tried his son Andy Stanley? I've got an idea we should start a thread on faith. There's no doubt about it the Bible commands faith. There is a thread of Faith here.
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Post by 1stCenturyLady on Sept 1, 2022 14:29:41 GMT -8
One problem in many theologies is believing faith alone is enough for GOD. Peter criticized them for not growing further in the knowledge of Jesus and Christian living.
Read 2 Peter 1:5-11. How many people have heard a sermon on this passage. It should be brought from the platform every week!
5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
This will guarantee that JESUS KNOWS US.
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Post by Redeemed on Sept 1, 2022 14:52:54 GMT -8
One problem in many theologies is believing faith alone is enough for GOD. Peter criticized them for not growing further in the knowledge of Jesus and Christian living.
Read 2 Peter 1:5-11. How many people have heard a sermon on this passage. It should be brought from the platform every week!
5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
This will guarantee that JESUS KNOWS US. I agree, There are so many things in the Bible that we can study and learn and walk in, how could we ever get bored. It's way too exciting for that to ever happen.
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 1, 2022 18:09:30 GMT -8
bloodbought1953 said You with brains? Use it to deny sin then. You know, like Jesus said? “…sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.” (John 5:14) Has something worse happened to you since you first believed? Something Worse? Hardly. I find that my Blessings From God increase everyday— as does my Joy! It’s all just a By- product of RESTING in Paul’s Gospel Of Grace —- and for all of you deluded “ Commandment Keepers” out there , you will just “ LOVE” this—— That “ Resting” thingy that I mentioned? It’s a COMMAND of God.....read all about in Hebrews 3 and 4.....If you refuse to REST in the Gospel ( 1Cor15:1-4) God will declare you guilty of “ Disobedience” and “ UNBELIEF”....... That last description is VERY serious....I hope you wake up someday.... When Jesus told the Prostitute to “ Sin no more” , do you REALLY think that from that day forward she became totally Sinless, making her the Equal Of Jesus? What’s wrong with you? Jesus was referring to her one specific sin of Prostitution ....if she had Faith in Jesus, her sins were forgiven , but if she returned to the sin Of Prostitution, God z would See to it That she would be Chastised for “ That” or any OTHER Sins—— kinda like us. btw.....is your wife available to talk to Yet ? I just have one or two questions for her about your Laughable “ Sinlessness”.....
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