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Post by hansen on Sept 2, 2022 1:01:30 GMT -8
I know this. Grace can be resisted. God's will can be opposed-and that started for man beginning in Eden-and God's been patiently working with man ever since to draw him back into alignment with His will. And until you love God with your whole heart, soul, mind and strength and your neighbor and yourself, then you still haven't given yourself totally over to the good, to God, despite some foolish notion about having a perfect status before Him just because you beiieve. Those who refrain from sin, those who do what is right, are righteous. Anything else is to mock and trample upon truth. wow.......where to start? First Of all , only Jesus loved God with *ALL* his heart —- and you ain't Jesus....if people could do that, Jesus wentbto The Cross in Vain.... The last time you bought a shirt—— did you also buy one for your neighbor? You did it for “ yourself” , didn’t you? If you truly loved your neighbor as much as you “ loved yourself”, you would have bought him a shirt also—- right ? Why not give up your Phony Act and just admit that you are a Sinner who MUST have Grace or you ain’t got a prayer—- the first step in becoming a Christian is having a Contrite Heart—- understanding that you can’t live up to God's Impossible Standard and then crying out for His Mercy like the Publican did....You do NOT love God with * ALL* of your heart and you never will! Jesus taught these things to show you your need for Grace .....Paul referred to the Law as an “ impossible system“ that neither * HE* nor his Fathers could keep......and you think that YOU will? Due to your lack of understanding about the purpose of the Law , you are living in a “ Fool’s Paradise” , Thinking somehow that you “ measure up” because you have deluded yourself into believing that you love God with ALL of your Heart....God has “ Good News” for those with Contrite Hearts That Know and Admit that they can’t “ make the grade” by their pitiful Performance in order to Merit Salvation—— you can find that “ good news” in 1Cor15:1-4..... may God open your heart to it.... I never said I love God with all my heart. I’ve said that’s man’s purpose and therefore the Christians true goal, by which sin is excluded and righteousness is perfected. You’ve been shown the true gospel; you refuse to drink from the font of wisdom. That’s your choice. Right now I’m buried in a busy time of year so probably won’t be offering more for awhile. Good luck, God bless, hasta la vista for now, cowboy. |
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Post by michaiah on Sept 2, 2022 9:52:09 GMT -8
bloodbought1953 said Have you never read the scripture? “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.” (John 14:12) “And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.” (1 John 3:3-4)
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Post by rickstudies on Sept 2, 2022 11:22:11 GMT -8
I never said I love God with all my heart. I’ve said that’s man’s purpose and therefore the Christians true goal, by which sin is excluded and righteousness is perfected. You’ve been shown the true gospel; you refuse to drink from the font of wisdom. That’s your choice. Right now I’m buried in a busy time of year so probably won’t be offering more for awhile. Good luck, God bless, hasta la vista for now, cowboy. All righty then, when you get the time to share some more about the "true gospel" I`ll be all ears. I guess I missed the bus on this one. |
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Post by Redeemed on Sept 2, 2022 12:29:08 GMT -8
Paul shows us the strength of God’s love for His own children by again appealing to an argument from the lesser to the greater.
Romans 5:8-10 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! For if, when we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!”
These verses teach that if Christ died for us while we were yet sinful—when we were His very enemies, deserving only God’s wrath—how much more will we be saved from God’s wrath now that we have been justified, or declared righteous, by His precious blood? This is why The Living Bible renders this verse: “Since by his blood he did all this for us as sinners, how much more will he do for us now that he has declared us not guilty? Now he will save us from all of God’s wrath to come” (Romans 5:9).
Paul is saying, if Christ died for us while we were His enemies, while we were dead to Christ, and yet still we were reconciled to God by the death of His Son, how much more will we now continue to be saved by Christ’s life?
Note the tenses in these verses. We have been justified! We have been saved from the wrath of God! Just as Paul writes elsewhere that Jesus will deliver us from the wrath to come because God has not destined us for wrath but for salvation (1 Thessalonians 1:10; 5:9), he now emphasizes that because of our justification we will be saved from God’s wrath by the life of Christ.
So, in Romans 5:17 Paul is saying that Christians are much more assured of reigning in eternal life. “Could it be possible that God would us love so much that He gave His only Son to die for us and then be careless as to let us lose our salvation. That we somehow can undo do what He has done in saving us?
...The testimony of the Bible, then, is that the attitude of love and care of God for those whom He has saved will be much more than we could ever Imagine, surpassing knowledge. Indeed: “The eternal purposes of God in grace can never fail since He has anticipated and provided for every emergency that could arise.... His power, which is supreme, is ceaselessly engaged in keeping of His own unto the realization of His eternal purpose.... Not only is God able to do according to His eternal purpose, but His love as a supreme motive will never fail.... Because of his great love for His own who are now ‘justified’ and reconciled.”
Jesus never fails!
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Post by yacker on Sept 2, 2022 16:11:39 GMT -8
My friend, You still haven’t provided any scripture to support your position. You are not good at pulling folks out of error (as you see it). I already addressed your objections and yet you continue to throw them in my face. You just want to lecture me with sectarian speak seemingly not even bothering to read what I say. Just accusation after accusation. But I am not offended. It’s to be expected. My Lord suffered insult and I must expect the same treatment (Matthew 10:25). But I will not give up. I love peoples souls enough to endure insults in order to save some of them according to uncorrupted seed (1 Peter 1:23). You will never see the truth of scripture with the ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED blinders on. The warning passages in scripture are hard to be understood when you believe OSAS. But once you have leavened all its crafty word play into your heart it’s hard to undo it. “As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.” (2 Peter 3:16-18) I stand in scripture alone and I will not be moved! Maybe we should talk about the weather instead… LOL!! Maybe you could talk about Love, Maybe you could talk about grace and mercy, Those things are hard to understand if you cant feel them 2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. "Standing in scripture" whatever that means to you is different than John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Look at your accusations, and what your pushing, Your accusing in almost every thread I've read, What's your problem? you want to tell Christians they are not safe and they can still go to hell, Its not Jesus message to the blood brought born again children of God, its the accusers voice How do you propose someone becomes unborn spiritually, it opens up a big can of worms for you |
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 2, 2022 23:38:19 GMT -8
You’ve been shown the true gospel;
One does not just play around in the Bible and see a verse that he likes, pluck it out , and call it ” the gospel”...
The Gospel That Saves.....The Gospel That Will God will JUDGE us by ——-is ONLY Found In 1Cor15:1-4.......If one ADDS to that Gospel ,they “ Fall From Grace ” and are “ Severed from Christ”....that is the condition of many in these Forums...read Galatians....its only 6 short chapters...it could save your soul....take the time.... and ask God to “ open your eyes” to the Truths contained within that Book....
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 2, 2022 23:49:23 GMT -8
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.” (John 14:12)
Please provide a list of all the “ greater works “ that YOU have done ....you do “ Believeth on Him” , right ? Three “ greater works” will suffice.....maybe your wife knows a couple....when do I get to discuss you so- called “ Perfection” with her?
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 2, 2022 23:57:00 GMT -8
I never said I love God with all my heart.
Maybe not specifically, But you are Trusting in your Law- Keeping Performance to Justify Yourself Before God on Judgement Day ..... my Point is that you can’t even keep the First and most important Commandment.....why not swallow you Prude and admit that you need Grace and a Ton “ Of” it......just like I do....
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 3, 2022 0:02:41 GMT -8
I never said I love God with all my heart. I’ve said that’s man’s purpose and therefore the Christians true goal, by which sin is excluded and righteousness is perfected. You’ve been shown the true gospel; you refuse to drink from the font of wisdom. That’s your choice. Right now I’m buried in a busy time of year so probably won’t be offering more for awhile. Good luck, God bless, hasta la vista for now, cowboy.
Your so - called “ font of wisdom” is a False and Perverted Gospel .....it came from Hell.
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 3, 2022 0:13:29 GMT -8
Look at your accusations, and what your pushing, Your accusing in almost every thread I've read, What's your problem? you want to tell Christians they are not safe and they can still go to hell, Its not Jesus message to the blood brought born again children of God, its the accusers voice
Paul told his followers in Galatians—— “,There are those that have come here to TROUBLE you”, and He is addressing those that “ started out so well”......Mich is an ‘ Accuser of the Brethren”——— Nothing more, nothing less....
Treat him like I do.....use him as a “Springboard” to get the True Gospel Of Grace out there for all the “ Babes In Christ” that have not yet been ruined by his “Accursed Gospel” Of Sinless Perfection....refer to Gal1:8 to see the eventual fate of these types......it ain’t pretty....
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Post by gomer on Sept 3, 2022 7:21:06 GMT -8
gomerIt's a story, I must not have made myself clear. It's not my story. Therefore, feel free to interpret it any way you like. I don't think our faith is what saves us it's our faith in what Jesus did on the cross that saves us. The shedding of his blood. His finished work on the cross. So our Salvation is by faith in what he did. It appears, I guess you, believe faith saves. Therefore what happens if one casts aside his faith in Jesus, will he still be saved anyway, (Heb 3:12; 1 Tim 5:12)? |
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Post by gomer on Sept 3, 2022 7:24:04 GMT -8
Stanley makes many false claims. The idea salvation can be had completely apart from faith goes against the entire teaching of the NT. So I take it you're not a big Charles Stanley fan. Have you tried his son Andy Stanley? I've got an idea we should start a thread on faith. There's no doubt about it the Bible commands faith. There is a thread of Faith here.Not a fan of either father or son. |
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Post by rickstudies on Sept 3, 2022 9:27:47 GMT -8
I never said I love God with all my heart. I’ve said that’s man’s purpose and therefore the Christians true goal, by which sin is excluded and righteousness is perfected. You’ve been shown the true gospel; you refuse to drink from the font of wisdom. That’s your choice. Right now I’m buried in a busy time of year so probably won’t be offering more for awhile. Good luck, God bless, hasta la vista for now, cowboy. Your so - called “ font of wisdom” is a False and Perverted Gospel .....it came from Hell. How does talking to someone like this serve God in any meaningful way? I thought everybody here had nobler goals than remarks like this. Where`s the dialogue? I`ve thrown down the gaunlet for conversation with Modalists, Judaists, and now Catholicism and in each case my potential dialogue partner has been run off because of being talked to uncharitably. |
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Post by Parker on Sept 3, 2022 9:28:03 GMT -8
I think people who do not believe in eternal security are unclear about exactly how and when one loses salvation. By that I mean, they are not sure what it takes to lose it—they are just sure you can! They my say “I know God is merciful, but He is not a fool.” In other words, there must come a point when God says, “Enough is enough!” For most, if not all, proponents of this view, that point is very illusive and undefined.
Then you have the loss of salvation for those who have clearly turned their backs on the Christian faith as a whole, the focus of this second group is the life–style or behavior of believers. According to this view, a believer’s security is based on his willingness to continually strive toward spiritual excellence.
Didn’t Paul exhort believers to “work out” their own salvation with “fear and trembling”? Why the inclusion of “fear and trembling”? Because he apparently believed the possibility of losing one’s salvation was a real threat.
Many people have drawn their conclusions concerning eternal security not from a scriptural standpoint but from a practical one. Back to “I know God is merciful, but He is not a fool.” What motivates a statement like that?
Maybe something like this:
1. God is a holy God and demands holiness from His children.
2. God is a merciful and forgiving God.
3. At some point in the life of a disobedient Christian, God’s mercy runs out, and His holiness takes over.
4. At that point God deals with His child totally from the standpoint of His demand for holiness and obedience.
5. This may result in placing a person back outside the circle of acceptance.
6. After all, God cannot accept what is contrary to His holy nature.
So if the idea of eternal security just does not make any sense to you and you are wondering why would God keep putting up with people who for all practical purposes could care less about Him or His Son?
If individuals no longer believe, it is as if they have broken their salvation contract; they have not upheld their end of the deal. Is God under obligation to maintain a saving relationship with people who have that kind of attitude?
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Post by Aeliana on Sept 3, 2022 11:49:44 GMT -8
gomerIt's a story, I must not have made myself clear. It's not my story. Therefore, feel free to interpret it any way you like. I don't think our faith is what saves us it's our faith in what Jesus did on the cross that saves us. The shedding of his blood. His finished work on the cross. So our Salvation is by faith in what he did. It appears, I guess you, believe faith saves. Therefore what happens if one casts aside his faith in Jesus, will he still be saved anyway, (Heb 3:12; 1 Tim 5:12)? Appearances and guesses can be deceiving... But the Bible actually has a clear and precise answer to your question. Who art thou who judgest another man’s servant? To his own master he standeth or falleth; yea, he shall be held up, for God is able to make him stand. Romans 14:3 At first, this Scripture tells me and it's not our call to judge another's salvation. Whether they stand or fall. But if they're truly saved God will make them stand and not fall. They may temporarily leave the flock, but the good shepherd will leave the 99 go and retrieve that one lost lamb and bring him home. |
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