Top of my controversial topics list is...

Faith doesn't mean absolute, 100% assurance that we are saved. It confirms what we hope for, but doesn't mean we'll continue to hope for it, that we'll continue to care or heed its purpose.  It doesn't mean that we'll continue to walk in the ways of God, the Object of that faith. That's why we're enjoineed to remain in Him, apart from whom we can do nothing. Your will is continously involved throughout-and you can be sure that He'll finish His work-unless you say no at any point.

2 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

Them would be those who are perfected forever. and who are being sanctified

is this just for the jews?

Your right, Faith does not mean absolute 1000 %

It is what our hope is that assures it 100%

Titus 1:2
in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began,

Titus 3:7
that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

1 John 5:13
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

if you have no assurance of eternal life based on Gods promise. then you have no faith, your faith is in yourself and you doing what you must do to save yourself. Not in the god who gave you the gift to begin with

It has nothing to do with me, I can not save myself. All I have and will continue to do is earn condemnation.

It is Gods promise and his reputation at stake. not mine

Your trying to earn what Jesus is offering as a gift.

You can't earn salvation no matter how hard you work my friend.

Where does the Bible say the Blood of Jesus SANCTIFIES AN UNBELIEVING PERSON?!!!

Note that there are only two crops, not three. Both receive the same provision and two entirely different results occur.

To make the above a loss of salvation passage you are going to have to add a third ground, that which produces that which is useful and then produces thorns and thistles.

I would suggest you back up to Hebrews 5:10 and try to understand the passage as a whole. In view is the Hebrew people who are woefully ignorant of the ABCs of the Word of God (the Hebrew Scriptures and the doctrine it provided) which makes it difficult for the Writer to present "that which is perfect."

The exhortation is to "go on unto perfection," and the perfection in view is not what they had been given concerning Christ, but what he (the Writer) is now trying to give them for the purpose of progressing from their relationship with God through the (Covenant of) Law to relationship with God through Jesus Christ.

And it all centers on the Doctrine of Christ:


Hebrews 5:10-6:6
King James Version

10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.

12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.


He is speaking to Hebrew brethren that are, again, woefully ignorant of what the Hebrew Scriptures presented concerning the Doctrine of Christ. They are in need of being taught again those "first principles," the beginning teachings of Christ/Messiah.

They are babes in understanding (because they are lazy, slothful, and otherwise disinterested with truth):


13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.


Note that strong meat (that which is contrasted with milk, a representation of knowledge suitable for the one intending to "eat") belongs to those who are of full age. The Greek word translated as "of full age" means complete, and is often translated mature. Given the difference between what these two (babes versus those of full age) "eat," a translation of "maturity" is appropriate to a certain extent, however, the focus of the Writer is in fact the Doctrine of Christ. Hence being of full age distinguishes between those who are ignorant of the Doctrine given in the Hebrew Scriptures and those who have received the "strong meat," thus "maturity" fails as a translation (in my opinion) because it leans more towards an understanding of someone that has reached a higher plane of Progressive Sanctification rather than someone that has received higher knowledge on a subject.

Regardless of how one wishes to translate this (I think a simpler translation of "perfect" would be closer to the Writer's intent and would fit with the overall teaching of the Writer in regards to the Theme of Perfection he teaches), in the following verse these "babes" are told to do something they have not yet done, and this is spoken in a National context, not an individual context:


Hebrews 6


1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,


Therefore. Go back and see what it is there for.

Therefore, leaving the "first," the ABCs they need to be taught again, because they are lazy—shows they are not even competent in regards to the veiled Gospel of Christ presented in the Old Testament.

Let us go on unto—perfection. Or in other words, completion.

That which is the "first" given in the Hebrew Scriptures (the Old Testament) was not complete. What the Writer is trying to present is.

And it has as a central focus the Doctrine of Christ.

Now, I ask you—how is it exactly that you see born-again Christians losing their salvation when the people in view are told clearly they are ignorant of even the basics, the ABCs of the Doctrine of Christ in the Hebrew Scriptures?

This absolutely denies they are born-again believers.


As to the following:


2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

3 And this will we do, if God permit.

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,


Do you not understand that these are the "first principles" that they are to leave (progress from, not abandon)?

We do not have a doctrine of "baptisms," for there is for us One Baptism (the Baptism with the Holy Ghost). The first principle would be the washings of the Law, physical cleansing rather than spiritual. Christian Baptism is a public display and neither saves nor cleanses.

We do not have a doctrine of laying on of hands, for this is rooted in animal sacrifice. The Priest would lay his hands on the animal to impart the guilt of the sinner. That is the first principle they are not to lay again, because they would be "crucifying to themselves Christ again" in shadow, because that is what the first principle represented.

The doctrine of the resurrection of the dead that has been given us in the "strong meat" has a central focus of The Resurrection of Christ. From that One Resurrection, the resurrection unto life has been made possible.

The first principle of Eternal Judgment is also more complicated in the "strong meat."

As far as being enlightened, tasting of the heavenly gift, and being made partakers of the Holy Ghost, these are again the first principles of the Doctrine of Christ: God has always enlightened natural men and women to understand the spiritual things of God. Old Testament Saints "tasted of the heavenly gift" in numerous ways, receiving the Land, for example. He has always filled men and women for the purpose of ministry (i.e., Prophet, Priest, King, and Warrior).

But they only tasted of what was to come. The strong meat is the revelation of the mysteries of the promises of God. Perfection in regards to the Doctrine of Christ is "Christ has come and obtained Eternal Redemption through His death in your stead." This in contrast to the first principle that "One day the world will be blessed through the seed of Abraham." Or, "One day messiah will come."


5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,


So only believers in the First Century tasted of the good word of God? Or have the Hebrew People since their beginning been blessed by God's Word?

An example of tasting of the good Word of God and the powers of the world to come would be that God justified, in a temporal context, those who were obedient to His Word (revealed will). Another example would be the resurrection from the dead experienced by a number of people. "The world to come" has as a primary focus the Restored Kingdom of Israel, and as Christ stated to an unbelieving generation—"The Kingdom of God is upon you!"

No, these characteristics do not belong to born-again Christians alone, and born-again Christians do not lay down again the first principles of the Doctrine of Christ.

Those being rebuked here do.



6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

by offering up sacrifices of the Law, which were a shadow, a figure, a parable of the Sacrifice of Christ. They do this to themselves because Christ is not literally being sacrificed again. It is only relevant to those who continue to offer up sacrifice.





Again, not a passage teaching loss of salvation: in view is a national context, not an individual context:



Romans 11:17
King James Version

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;



Gentiles as a whole are in view. Just as Israel as a whole is in view:


Romans 11:25-27
King James Version

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.


"All Israel will be saved" because when Christ returns and they are brought into New Covenant relationship only those who believe will survive.

That's the "they" that will be grafted back into.

And the primary reason we do not see this passage teaching loss of salvation is 1) "the Tree" is not salvation, it is the provision of God, and 2) because of the remnant.

In view are believers and unbelievers, and among those who are unbelieving is the remnant. That they are distinctly pointed out among people who have been "cut out" or presented as unbelievers.

And being cut out is a matter of unbelief.

Again—you have unbelievers losing salvation.


Romans 11:20-21
King James Version

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.



So will unbelievers be cut out of the provision God has given for salvation? Yes. It's a given that unbelievers will not be saved. The problem, though, is when salvation is ascribed to unbelievers for the purpose of teaching loss of salvation.


God bless.