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Post by eternallygrateful on Aug 30, 2022 6:24:45 GMT -8
Thanks for the insult, but despite what you “think”, I never claim to “know all”..... What I “ DO” know is that the Romanist Church are the “KINGS” when it comes to “ ADDING” to Paul’s Gospel.... Anybody that adheres to their “doctrine” is “Fallen From Grace” and doesn't know what the term means...Read Galatians and then prove me wrong.... you evaded my question.....please answer.....If I never take “Communion” again, am I Damned? I didn’t expect you to read much since you know all…Not an insult, just truth. Those who think they can see when they don’t remain blind, refusing to seek truth beyond their presumption. As far as the sacraments are concerned, even though the partaking of the Eucharist was a command of Christ, regularly participated in by believers as the absolute core reason for assembling from the beginning along with reading the Word, the church now recognizes that many novel ideas have entered Christianity in the last 5 centuries, especially, and that what was once heresy or serious error in any case has become tradition for many throughout multiple generations. This means that ignorance and widespread disagreements abound. God does not hold anyone accountable for what they don’t know, or for what they sincerely believe to be true even if it may be false or partially true. If someone like yourself is strongly committed to Him, doing their best with what they know, then He will most certainly honor and be pleased by that faith. you need to read in the mirror your first statement.. I didn’t expect you to read much since you know all…Not an insult, just truth. Those who think they can see when they don’t remain blind, refusing to seek truth beyond their presumption.
it fits you quote well.
as for the Eucharist. No one in the NT celebrated the Eucharist. While they did celebrate the lords supper often.. No one thought what the catholic church said. The eucharist does nto give what Jesus promised in John 6.. so it is not of the word. oh and PS. God does hold people accountable. especially now that the word is completed.. No one has an excuse. |
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Post by hansen on Aug 30, 2022 16:51:49 GMT -8
I didn’t expect you to read much since you know all…Not an insult, just truth. Those who think they can see when they don’t remain blind, refusing to seek truth beyond their presumption. As far as the sacraments are concerned, even though the partaking of the Eucharist was a command of Christ, regularly participated in by believers as the absolute core reason for assembling from the beginning along with reading the Word, the church now recognizes that many novel ideas have entered Christianity in the last 5 centuries, especially, and that what was once heresy or serious error in any case has become tradition for many throughout multiple generations. This means that ignorance and widespread disagreements abound. God does not hold anyone accountable for what they don’t know, or for what they sincerely believe to be true even if it may be false or partially true. If someone like yourself is strongly committed to Him, doing their best with what they know, then He will most certainly honor and be pleased by that faith. you need to read in the mirror your first statement.. I didn’t expect you to read much since you know all…Not an insult, just truth. Those who think they can see when they don’t remain blind, refusing to seek truth beyond their presumption.
it fits you quote well.
as for the Eucharist. No one in the NT celebrated the Eucharist. While they did celebrate the lords supper often.. No one thought what the catholic church said. The eucharist does nto give what Jesus promised in John 6.. so it is not of the word. You don't know that! That's nothing but sophmoric, unstudied speculation; that you spew out as if it was certain knowledge! All the acient churches celebrated the eucharist, lord's supper, communion, whatever you want to call it as the center of their service since the beginning, discerning that they were partaking of the real body and blood of Christ. That they were receiving Him, after examining their own relative worthiness, while still acknowledging that they're not worthy that "He should enter under my roof" as it's prayed. Read, study, instead of guessing irresponsilbly! Either way you apparently overlooked the post in a separate thread that I linked to on the page just previous to this one, which is why this particular discussion began... about openess to truth. |
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Aug 30, 2022 18:48:39 GMT -8
The penalty of sin is death, Period.
Period? Close, but no cigar......Yep, the penalty of sin “IS” death......
But unfortunately for your typically Confused “ take” on Scripture.....you left out a little something.....you should try to be a better, “ Student Of The Word”....
Romans 6:23. “ The wages of sin is death, but the GIFT OF GOD is ETERNAL LIFE if you are IN Christ Jesus”......
With your false beliefs , aided by taking “ half” a verse to make your erroneous “Doctrine” Sound half- way Valid to those that don’t really know their Bible .....I have to ask—-Are you really “ IN?”
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Aug 30, 2022 19:08:42 GMT -8
. God does not hold anyone accountable for what they don’t know, or for what they sincerely believe to be true even if it may be false or partially true. If someone like yourself is strongly committed to Him, doing their best with what they know, then He will most certainly honor and be pleased by that faith.
Well, people are indeed free to believe such Pablum....but if anybody is actually interested in what the Bible says, ya got this——Romans 1:19.....” The Wrath Of God has been revealed toward ALL men that are unrighteous, because everything that men need to know has been shown to them and they deny it , they understand God and His Power and the glory of His Creation.....they reject it and thus All are without excuse”
Anybody as Bible- Ignorant as you are should think real hard before entering Forum debates, when you are debating people that actually know the Bible......Proving you Wrong with Scripture day after day is like “ Shooting Fish in a Barrel” ......you embarrass yourself with your ignorance and you don’t even know it.... You need to learn how to “ Rightly Divide” God’s Word....otherwise, as God warns “ Poor Students” like you , will “ Stand Ashamed”......
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Post by hansen on Aug 30, 2022 21:07:28 GMT -8
. God does not hold anyone accountable for what they don’t know, or for what they sincerely believe to be true even if it may be false or partially true. If someone like yourself is strongly committed to Him, doing their best with what they know, then He will most certainly honor and be pleased by that faith. Well, people are indeed free to believe such Pablum....but if anybody is actually interested in what the Bible says, ya got this——Romans 1:19.....” The Wrath Of God has been revealed toward ALL men that are unrighteous, because everything that men need to know has been shown to them and they deny it , they understand God and His Power and the glory of His Creation.....they reject it and thus All are without excuse” Anybody as Bible- Ignorant as you are should think real hard before entering Forum debates, when you are debating people that actually know the Bible......Proving you Wrong with Scripture day after day is like “ Shooting Fish in a Barrel” ......you embarrass yourself with your ignorance and you don’t even know it.... You need to learn how to “ Rightly Divide” God’s Word....otherwise, as God warns “ Poor Students” like you , will “ Stand Ashamed”...... It's not my fault if you wish to remain in relative darkness-there's much further to go for those who love truth. But your sorta obstinately stuck in half-truths. You know the bible, that's pretty amusing. It's like you're a self-made pope or something. And then you argue with half the other people here on these very forums who also know the bible-and depend solely on it as their authority. Sure. Anyway, if wisdom offends you, just go-stop reading my posts. Up to you. |
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Post by hansen on Aug 30, 2022 21:15:21 GMT -8
So are you perfectly sinless? Do you ever commit sin in thought, word, or deed? if so, according to God, the God who can and wants to deliver you from all sin, but especially from grave sin in this life to avert your condemnation, you may be in deep hog mire. thats WHY I need grace. I wish you could understand that.. Grace is about forgiveness of sin, but not about a carte blanc freedom from the penalty of sin from then on. Grace is about freeing you from sin altogether, even as that involves a struggle with our own will at times. We to become slaves of righteousness, no longer slaves of sin- Rom 6. Jesus died for that freedom, to take away your sins. Then there's no penalty left to pay. |
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Aug 30, 2022 22:30:57 GMT -8
. God does not hold anyone accountable for what they don’t know, or for what they sincerely believe to be true even if it may be false or partially true. If someone like yourself is strongly committed to Him, doing their best with what they know, then He will most certainly honor and be pleased by that faith. Well, people are indeed free to believe such Pablum....but if anybody is actually interested in what the Bible says, ya got this——Romans 1:19.....” The Wrath Of God has been revealed toward ALL men that are unrighteous, because everything that men need to know has been shown to them and they deny it , they understand God and His Power and the glory of His Creation.....they reject it and thus All are without excuse” Anybody as Bible- Ignorant as you are should think real hard before entering Forum debates, when you are debating people that actually know the Bible......Proving you Wrong with Scripture day after day is like “ Shooting Fish in a Barrel” ......you embarrass yourself with your ignorance and you don’t even know it.... You need to learn how to “ Rightly Divide” God’s Word....otherwise, as God warns “ Poor Students” like you , will “ Stand Ashamed”...... It's not my fault if you wish to remain in relative darkness-there's much further to go for those who love truth. But your sorta obstinately stuck in half-truths. You know the bible, that's pretty amusing. It's like you're a self-made pope or something. And then you argue with half the other people here on these very forums who also know the bible-and depend solely on it as their authority. Sure. Anyway, if wisdom offends you, just go-stop reading my posts. Up to you. I would love to ignore you , but somebody has to protect the Newbies from Blind Guides like you that are “ Fallen From Grace” and are completely unaware of that fact....You unknowingly make a great “ Springboard” for me to fight the Good Fight for the Truth Of Paul’s Gospel Of Grace.... i know that its not fair, but there is nothing more fun than “shooting Fish in a Barrel”.......and for that daily opportunity, I thank you....Hopefully, me and a few others in here can be a light for the Newbies that may pass by here before they get ruined and have their Faith “ shipwrecked” by Religionists as opposed to Christians... |
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Aug 30, 2022 22:37:43 GMT -8
Grace is about forgiveness of sin, but not about a carte blanc freedom from the penalty of sin from then On....
Who said otherwise?
Saved, Born Again Believers That Sin ( That would be 100% of them) are Chastised ......Seems like I have mentioned that once or twice.....Don't get your panties in a knot, Mr. Religionist.....Nobody “ gets away” with Anything in this lifetime.....
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Post by hansen on Aug 31, 2022 1:52:02 GMT -8
The penalty of sin is death, Period. Period? Close, but no cigar......Yep, the penalty of sin “IS” death...... But unfortunately for your typically Confused “ take” on Scripture.....you left out a little something.....you should try to be a better, “ Student Of The Word”.... Romans 6:23. “ The wages of sin is death, but the GIFT OF GOD is ETERNAL LIFE if you are IN Christ Jesus”...... With your false beliefs , aided by taking “ half” a verse to make your erroneous “Doctrine” Sound half- way Valid to those that don’t really know their Bible .....I have to ask—-Are you really “ IN?” Read all of Romans 6. Read all of Romans. Read all the New Testament rather than isolating one verse. Why is there no more death earned? Why do we now gain eternal life? It’s because when we die with Christ we die to sin and become slaves of righteousness instead! And we can remain slaves of righteous and live, or not. And that theme is repeated throughout all of Scripture. That “gift of righteousness” (Rom 5:17), “the righteous that comes from God on the basis of faith” (Phil 3:9), is the gift of grace that will bring us eternal life. Because as that verse says, “the wages of sin is death”! Take your blinders off. So I’ll repeat what I said: “Grace is about forgiveness of sin, but not about a carte blanc freedom from the penalty of sin from then on. Grace is about freeing you from sin altogether, even as that involves a struggle with our own will at times. We’re to become slaves of righteousness, no longer slaves of sin- Rom 6. Jesus died for that freedom, to take away your sins. Then there's no penalty left to pay.” Grace is not about salvation despite your unrighteousness. Grace is about salvation because you’ve embraced Gods gift of righteousness and acted upon it, doing good (Rom 2:7), overcoming sin by the Spirit now (Rom 8:12-13). But you seem to be insulated from receiving wise instruction, that’s been given all along in my posts. |
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Post by hansen on Aug 31, 2022 1:54:00 GMT -8
It's not my fault if you wish to remain in relative darkness-there's much further to go for those who love truth. But your sorta obstinately stuck in half-truths. You know the bible, that's pretty amusing. It's like you're a self-made pope or something. And then you argue with half the other people here on these very forums who also know the bible-and depend solely on it as their authority. Sure. Anyway, if wisdom offends you, just go-stop reading my posts. Up to you. I would love to ignore you , but somebody has to protect the Newbies from Blind Guides like you that are “ Fallen From Grace” and are completely unaware of that fact....You unknowingly make a great “ Springboard” for me to fight the Good Fight for the Truth Of Paul’s Gospel Of Grace.... i know that its not fair, but there is nothing more fun than “shooting Fish in a Barrel”.......and for that daily opportunity, I thank you....Hopefully, me and a few others in here can be a light for the Newbies that may pass by here before they get ruined and have their Faith “ shipwrecked” by Religionists as opposed to Christians... Fair enough. I stick around because I detest bad theology, false, shallow, or distorted gospels such as your own. I really don’t consider it fun though; it’s actually depressing that such garbage thinking has infiltrated the faith. |
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Post by hansen on Aug 31, 2022 1:59:39 GMT -8
Grace is about forgiveness of sin, but not about a carte blanc freedom from the penalty of sin from then On.... Who said otherwise? Saved, Born Again Believers That Sin ( That would be 100% of them) are Chastised ......Seems like I have mentioned that once or twice.....Don't get your panties in a knot, Mr. Religionist.....Nobody “ gets away” with Anything in this lifetime..... Bogus anti-gospel nonsense. If all one received was a little, or a lot for that matter, chastisement, still with the guarantee of eternal life with no threat of dying again by mocking God if committing grave sin, then they have a carte blanc freedom from the penalty of sin: death. They get away with it. |
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Post by eternallygrateful on Aug 31, 2022 2:50:04 GMT -8
you need to read in the mirror your first statement.. I didn’t expect you to read much since you know all…Not an insult, just truth. Those who think they can see when they don’t remain blind, refusing to seek truth beyond their presumption.
it fits you quote well.
as for the Eucharist. No one in the NT celebrated the Eucharist. While they did celebrate the lords supper often.. No one thought what the catholic church said. The eucharist does nto give what Jesus promised in John 6.. so it is not of the word. You don't know that! That's nothing but sophmoric, unstudied speculation; that you spew out as if it was certain knowledge! All the acient churches celebrated the eucharist, lord's supper, communion, whatever you want to call it as the center of their service since the beginning, discerning that they were partaking of the real body and blood of Christ. That they were receiving Him, after examining their own relative worthiness, while still acknowledging that they're not worthy that "He should enter under my roof" as it's prayed. Read, study, instead of guessing irresponsilbly! Either way you apparently overlooked the post in a separate thread that I linked to on the page just previous to this one, which is why this particular discussion began... about openess to truth. actually yes I do 1. Jesus said in John 6 the food would endure to eternal life.. The eucharist does not 2. Jesus in John 6 said whoever ate and drank would never hunger, never thirst, Live forever, and be raised on the last day. The eucharist does not promise that. proven by the fact you eat and eat and eat all the time, yet still hunger 3. Jesus said in John 6. that the flesh and blood (bread from heaven) is not like the manna where the people ate continually and still died. whoever eats this will love forever.. The eucharist is like manna. People eat and eat and eat and still die Once again, Your listening to men and tradition.. I beg of you to look at the word, the word does not support the eucharistic teaching. |
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Post by eternallygrateful on Aug 31, 2022 2:52:15 GMT -8
thats WHY I need grace. I wish you could understand that.. Grace is about forgiveness of sin, but not about a carte blanc freedom from the penalty of sin from then on. Grace is about freeing you from sin altogether, even as that involves a struggle with our own will at times. We to become slaves of righteousness, no longer slaves of sin- Rom 6. Jesus died for that freedom, to take away your sins. Then there's no penalty left to pay. no penalty to pay. Thats eternal life If we have to pay for sins PAST conversion. Jesus would have to come and die again for those sins. Your acts of penance can not pay for sin.. Your sacraments can not pay for sin.. Only death so either christ died for all your sin for all eternity. or he died for part of your sin, and if you sin after. you have no hope of repentance. Your done.. There is no loss of salvation then renewing your salvation. its one and done.. |
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Post by hansen on Aug 31, 2022 3:10:04 GMT -8
You don't know that! That's nothing but sophmoric, unstudied speculation; that you spew out as if it was certain knowledge! All the acient churches celebrated the eucharist, lord's supper, communion, whatever you want to call it as the center of their service since the beginning, discerning that they were partaking of the real body and blood of Christ. That they were receiving Him, after examining their own relative worthiness, while still acknowledging that they're not worthy that "He should enter under my roof" as it's prayed. Read, study, instead of guessing irresponsilbly! Either way you apparently overlooked the post in a separate thread that I linked to on the page just previous to this one, which is why this particular discussion began... about openess to truth. actually yes I do 1. Jesus said in John 6 the food would endure to eternal life.. The eucharist does not 2. Jesus in John 6 said whoever ate and drank would never hunger, never thirst, Live forever, and be raised on the last day. The eucharist does not promise that. proven by the fact you eat and eat and eat all the time, yet still hunger 3. Jesus said in John 6. that the flesh and blood (bread from heaven) is not like the manna where the people ate continually and still died. whoever eats this will love forever.. The eucharist is like manna. People eat and eat and eat and still die Once again, Your listening to men and tradition.. I beg of you to look at the word, the word does not support the eucharistic teaching. You’re listening to your own tradition of man: vain, speculative guess-work on the meaning of Gods word. Read the early fathers, read history to find what the original Christian’s believed instead of pretending that you know something just because you can read a Book that was never even intended to serve as some sort of clear and concise, organized explanation of the faith as a catechism is intended to do. |
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Post by hansen on Aug 31, 2022 3:33:44 GMT -8
Grace is about forgiveness of sin, but not about a carte blanc freedom from the penalty of sin from then on. Grace is about freeing you from sin altogether, even as that involves a struggle with our own will at times. We to become slaves of righteousness, no longer slaves of sin- Rom 6. Jesus died for that freedom, to take away your sins. Then there's no penalty left to pay. no penalty to pay. Thats eternal life If we have to pay for sins PAST conversion. Jesus would have to come and die again for those sins. Your acts of penance can not pay for sin.. Your sacraments can not pay for sin.. Only death so either christ died for all your sin for all eternity. or he died for part of your sin, and if you sin after. you have no hope of repentance. Your done.. There is no loss of salvation then renewing your salvation. its one and done.. easy believism: instead of the gospel becoming the means to overcome sin it becomes a license to sin. Satan is smiling at that one, at least. Anyway, this was all addressed here, for anyone interested in truth: berean-apologetics.boards.net/thread/69/top-controversial-topics-list?page=15&scrollTo=2391 |
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