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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 27, 2022 17:32:49 GMT -8
The will of man is never totally overridden such that he becomes a puppet; God wants our participation, our ownership, our acceptance of the gift given, for our own highest good. So while we’re encouraged by the knowledge that He’ll always do His part, we’re also warned that we must do ours, to remain in Him, to make every effort to be holy, to be vigilant, to put to death the deeds of the flesh by the Spirit, etc. We must pick up our cross daily and follow.
All good things to do....They have nothing to do with Salvation , though......That was a “ GIFT”, remember? And God’s “Gifts” are “ Without Recall”......
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Post by makesends on Sept 27, 2022 18:32:49 GMT -8
The will of man is never totally overridden such that he becomes a puppet; God wants our participation, our ownership, our acceptance of the gift given, for our own highest good. So while we’re encouraged by the knowledge that He’ll always do His part, we’re also warned that we must do ours, to remain in Him, to make every effort to be holy, to be vigilant, to put to death the deeds of the flesh by the Spirit, etc. We must pick up our cross daily and follow. All good things to do....They have nothing to do with Salvation , though......That was a “ GIFT”, remember? And God’s “Gifts” are “ Without Recall”...... Your thinking seems to include some notion of man's existence being like God's. It is not as though we are not real living characters in this 'story' God has written, but as though our "real" is but a vapor compared to his. The idea that our will is able to oppose what he has 'already' spoken into existence —the timeless end result of this temporal existence— is absurd. We simply do not operate on his level. God uses our wills, not overrides them, to accomplish what he planned. And our wills always will against him, unless he bypasses our wills in changing our will —that is to say, he doesn't ask our permission to regenerate us any more than he asked our permission to give us existence. Our encouragement is that God will accomplish what he set out to do. It is a sure thing. But lest anyone accuse me of espousing a doctrine that requires nothing of the believer, it is exactly the opposite. My only point in saying what I do above is that it is all the work of God, and if there be any good and faithful thing I have done, it is because God has done it in me. |
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Post by yacker on Sept 27, 2022 22:45:26 GMT -8
Any chance that you are a “ Kiwi?”.......I once knew a guy that had a Genius for a wife.....you remind me of that guy......thanks for your encouraging post....it could not have come at a better time....God has Blessed you—- May he Continue to do so! Ummmm No.... I don't like those birds they are good for nothing except to be eaten by everything that catches them.... I'm the genius because I picked my wife but as for her there's no way you could say that of her decision of picking me. Thanks brother, God blesses us everyday, everyday his blessings are new! Hope things are well with your family and your body is all better you might have to come for a fishing trip I hear its about to get cold over there |
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Post by yacker on Sept 27, 2022 23:03:23 GMT -8
Why/how would the cross threaten anyone when it gives us the grace to do all things through Him who strengthens me? Phil 4:13 Hi there, there is a saying if you throw a rock into a pack of dogs the one that barks the loudest got hit, so listen you cant do all things with a verse out of context, Notice how you inserted Grace in there, now the context is Paul been under house arrest and been persecuted for teaching the new testament "Gospel of the Grace of God" you might want to apologize to Blood bought if you really understood what you are doing, but when Paul was preaching the Gospel most where opposing his ministry trying to kill him stoning him to death, jail etc. but if you compare what Paul is saying in the verse below you might get a better indication of what the verse is saying 1 Corinthians 15:57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. |
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Post by hansen on Sept 28, 2022 10:06:56 GMT -8
Why/how would the cross threaten anyone when it gives us the grace to do all things through Him who strengthens me? Phil 4:13 “ The Cross is Foolishness to those that Perish” That somehow failed to address my question. |
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Post by Ozias on Apr 27, 2023 13:01:18 GMT -8
You've bought into a strange and convoluted gospel, that effectively replaces righteousness with faith instead of understanding that faith is the doorway to authentic righteoueness as it's the doorway to its Source. Jesus did absolutely nothing about sin and the death it earns-along with the ugliness, injustice, and harm it results in-if all He did was accomplish forgiveness of sin, essential as that forgiveness is. You've simply chosen to overlook and ignore the part of the gospel that addresses our yoke, our part. It's an easy yoke, a light burden, and yet over and over again our responsibility for what we must do, in response to the grace and love given, is spelled out in Scripture-with more expected of those given more. And that's all for our own greatest and highest good becaue God's purpose in all this is to produce something, not just produce forgiven while otherwise worthless sinners, but to produce something truly noble and good, something like Himself, something that chooses rightly with the patient help and guidance that He began in His creation, in humankind already centuries ago, and that culminated with the advent of His Son. You're misinterpreting Matthew 11:28-30 Let me break it down for you. Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.” Back in Jesus's day before they had John Deere tractors, they used 2 Oxen Yoked up together to pull the plow to till the soil. Now when they wanted to train a young Ox They yoked him up with the mature well experienced Ox. The experience Ox would do all the work since he had all the strength and knew what he was doing and the young Ox would go along for the ride and hopefully learn how to become a skilled mature Ox. So what Jesus is saying is that if you're burned out trying to work your way to heaven to come to him for rest. Let him do the work. And you learn how to walk in newness of life... How to love your neighbor as yourself. How to share the gospel. And most important of all you learn who Jesus really is. His burden is easy, there's no work involved in it. His yoke is light as he's already carried the cross to Calvary. So you're using the wrong analogy if you want to put forth a works-based salvation. |
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