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Post by genez on Oct 25, 2022 10:08:19 GMT -8
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Do you read that as a conditional statement? " That day will not come unless there is first a falling away"? " That day will not come until there is first a falling away"? " That day will not come lest there is first an apostasy and that man is revealed"? That's important. It's important because if God has told Paul the day in question will NOT come except, unless, or until an apostasy has occurred then it's not a definitive condition. It is not a necessity. It is not an inevitability. Notice the KJV and ASV are the only translations that render the " me" as " except." Even the NKJV translates it " unless." The word literally means, " lest" ( G3361);it's a qualifier of a negation. We have a large swath of modern Christendom expecting something God's word indicates is not an inevitability. Something to think about. If it took apostasy to appear first? We could have been raptured anytime in the last 2000 years. And, while you are at it? Get in line. |
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Post by genez on Oct 25, 2022 10:06:02 GMT -8
Wow, maybe someday I`ll be as wise as you  Maybe even read a 50 year old Hal Lindsey book. Paul is even older than that...... |
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Post by genez on Oct 24, 2022 18:29:34 GMT -8
You are correct. I don`t need it. Correct,,,, there are other things you would need to know before you could be ready for it. |
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Post by genez on Oct 24, 2022 16:47:30 GMT -8
The smart alec comments do not impress me. My choice to not disclose my email should be respected and if you posted a source I would look at your video even though my expectation would be low. And, I am supposed to be the smart aleck? Its not a video. Its a recording of a Bible lesson given to the congregation. He had seminary students in his congregation and always made sure to give detailed exegesis where pertinent. On the other hand.. I had contact with a Professor Stan Ashby who worked for Military intelligence during WW ll.. He was associated with Harvard as a translator. He retired. He taught ancient languages at the Bible college I attended. He taught a series of messages which were involving exegesis of Genesis 1 and 2, concerning Adam and some other insights concerning creation. It was teaching that deeply impressed me. My room mate had some cassettes of that teaching and I listened to it. One night while sitting in front of Professor Ashby at church service, I turned around and thanked him, and told how impressed I was with the insights he provided. Instead of taking credit, he kept pointing me to the pastor-scholar I wanted to make you aware of. He kept telling me that he got what I heard from this pastor-scholar. Later, I found out that a good number of other teachers on campus had also used the same pastor-scholar's teachings for their study material. This pastor-scholar was known at that time by many pastors around the country. Billy Graham asked him to be a traveling mentor for him. Hal Lindsay and Chuck Swindoll both sat in the congregation. Both were accepted to Dallas Theological seminary based up the pastor-scholar's letters of recommendation. But, that's OK. You don't need it. |
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Post by genez on Oct 24, 2022 8:41:02 GMT -8
Yeah, I`m sure you watched it. LOL! It sounds like you want to sell me a video that steals a page from the Universalist playbook and says that the translaters couldn`t understand Greek. No thanks and it isn`t advisable to give out my email when you can pm me privately. It should be a rule violation to ask for personal information. I don`t know you. May I go now? You can easily open up an alternative email account for your privacy. I have such an email account to keep myself anonymous when it is called for.
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You can within your own internet provider often create alternative email accounts with a created name if you wish.
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Post by genez on Oct 24, 2022 8:17:04 GMT -8
Yeah, I`m sure you watched it. LOL! It sounds like you want to sell me a video that steals a page from the Universalist playbook and says that the translaters couldn`t understand Greek. No thanks and it isn`t advisable to give out my email when you can pm me privately. It should be a rule violation to ask for personal information. I don`t know you. May I go now?
I heard them. They mentioned the Greek words without in depth exegesis.
You did not hear what I was to offer. Yet? You already know.
And, what you claimed was news to me. Maybe I need to listen to the audio backwards to get what you claimed?
Now, that makes two. You and God who are both omniscient.
Have a nice Day. The Lord will show you that I was offering you a nice and informative offer for your edification.
One you refused in defensiveness and closed mindedness. I am not your enemy.
have a nice Day.....
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Post by genez on Oct 23, 2022 20:47:23 GMT -8
If you are willing to PM me and give me your email? I will email you a recorded teaching by a pastor who was a Greek and Hebrew scholar.. The message was presented before his congregation a good number of years ago, at a time that pastors from all over were ordering his messages for their own personal study. .. Billy Graham asked him to be his private mentor, but the pastor was too busy teaching his congregation six nights a week. He was always studying and teaching. Its not as simple as many want to make it while folding their arms. Within the Bible there are other passages that contain the same Greek wording, and those reveal meanings that were lost by some translators. If interested? It will cost you nothing. The message is about an hour long. It will be in the MP3 format for your computer. Grace and peace ..... Gene Z Here`s one everyone on this site can enjoy. No email address required. OK... that is mostly lite stuff. And, designed not to explain what is needed in depth as required.
But, if you wish? Stay there then. I don't think you are ready for what I was going to send you. Maybe , later.
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Post by genez on Oct 23, 2022 15:35:46 GMT -8
So do you really believe what you were claiming? Or, were you just baiting to get a reaction?
Do you really believe that the Rapture is not a rescue for the church from what is about to take place on the earth? That its not a rescue?
Do you believe there will be a rapture?
If I didn`t believe it then I would be liar. Sorry to learn your opinion of me is that low. With that in mind let me make a statement. The pre trib theory is a very clever doctrine of devils that will most likely destroy the faith of millions at the appointed hour. It is a fairly modern doctrine of the Laodician church. Guess where they live. If you are willing to PM me and give me your email? I will email you a recorded teaching by a pastor who was a Greek and Hebrew scholar.. The message was presented before his congregation a good number of years ago, at a time that pastors from all over were ordering his messages for their own personal study. .. Billy Graham asked him to be his private mentor, but the pastor was too busy teaching his congregation six nights a week. He was always studying and teaching. Its not as simple as many want to make it while folding their arms. Within the Bible there are other passages that contain the same Greek wording, and those reveal meanings that were lost by some translators. If interested? It will cost you nothing. The message is about an hour long. It will be in the MP3 format for your computer. Grace and peace ..... Gene Z |
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Post by genez on Oct 22, 2022 22:08:43 GMT -8
I'm a pretrib, premil believer but I'm just not dogmatic about it and its one of those non essentials IMHO. In the essentials unity, in the non essential liberty and in all things charity. That is my motto I try and follow. hope this helps !!! I know. I was fishing for you but you didn`t ttake the bait. So do you really believe what you were claiming? Or, were you just baiting to get a reaction?
Do you really believe that the Rapture is not a rescue for the church from what is about to take place on the earth? That its not a rescue?
Do you believe there will be a rapture?
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Post by genez on Oct 22, 2022 8:30:24 GMT -8
When the connected scripture and context are considered "departure" fails as a reasonable transliteration of the word unless you mean a departure from practising Christianity which is no diff than falling away. I`m tempted but not going to engage you at this time. Take care.
God is merciful..... Keep walking.
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Post by genez on Oct 21, 2022 20:49:37 GMT -8
The word is ....... Apostasia. " Falling away" holds several different potential meanings. Could mean, 'apostasy.' Could mean 'falling away.' And! Another legit translation would be... The 'departure.'God holds and gives the answers. The devil only plants the doubts. grace and peace ........ When the connected scripture and context are considered "departure" fails as a reasonable transliteration of the word unless you mean a departure from practising Christianity which is no diff than falling away. I`m tempted but not going to engage you at this time. Take care.
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Post by genez on Oct 21, 2022 14:48:23 GMT -8
Said the man with the ark.... 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; " Falling away" holds several different potential meanings. Could mean, 'apostasy.' Could mean 'falling away.' And! Another legit translation would be... The 'departure.'God holds and gives the answers. The devil only plants the doubts. grace and peace ........ |
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Post by genez on Oct 20, 2022 21:22:29 GMT -8
Since when is there a rescue after the damage is done? Said the man with the ark.... |
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Post by genez on Oct 20, 2022 16:27:39 GMT -8
Pre Trib what? I do not want to assume what you mean. It`s a common way to refer to one of the rapture theories. The great debate on the timing of what people often call the rapture is easily resolved by good apologetics so it is a good topic to explore in this particular forum especially since there seems to be a lot of pretribbers around here. I`m always interested in hearing their rational for their beliefs which imo do not hold up well when tested by apologetics. Since when is there a rescue after the damage is done? |
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Post by genez on Oct 19, 2022 9:37:22 GMT -8
Prop up a dead man on a chair at a table. Have an excellent cook create a delicious meal. One with with hunger inducing aromas. Prop his mouth open. Then tell him about all the wonderful ingredients, even placing a sample under his nose to smell. Will he eat and digest it? Unless some doctor hooks this dead man up to some device to cause his body to come alive? No logic will work from a human perspective. "Let the dead bury their own dead." Matthew 8:22
Though God may be always active around him, the unbeliever is DEAD to God. No human logic will work unless God's grace animates that soul as to have all the dead body around that soul momentarily stripped away from that soul, as to free up that soul to hear the truth his body would deny him from hearing about God. Then that soul will either choose life, or to go back to being dead..... On another note: I thank God that I got to know a few PhD's. They can know a lot about things. Yet, know nothing as they should. Its sad to see. |
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Maybe even read a 50 year old Hal Lindsey book.
