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Post by genez on Aug 24, 2022 19:24:15 GMT -8
I see you are going to be the self righteous one here? ............................
You just motivated me in finding out where the Ignore feature for this forum is to be found.
You want silence from me? Learn to use it.
Ah, be my guest and go on right ahead. This is not Facebook or any heteros forum, the Admin and civic are zealous for the cause of Christ Jesus and I was invited here, not to do my own "thang" and don't forget, iron sharpens iron. Christ knew NO hamatia and was/haya/is have no "sin-consciousness" Shalom J. As created by God, Adam knew no sin.
Adam, till he ate of the forbidden tree was also not sin conscious. If Adam (having no fallen nature) was tempted from an evil, independent external source? And, Adam so chose? He could have sinned by giving into the temptation.
Once Adam fell he had a sin nature in his flesh. From then on, that sin nature became its own source for sinning. No longer only an external source for temptation.
It says that Jesus was the Second Adam. Jesus succeeded where Adam had failed. Jesus by faithfulness to the Word of God was able to resist the external temptations that came his way.
Unlike Jesus, we are born with no choice not to sin. For the major source from temptation is our fallen state. Many temptations and sin originate from within ourselves. From our flesh.
Jesus being impeccable knew no sin as such. All his temptations had to come from an external source. That is why Jesus being tempted is not a sin. Giving into a temptation is what constitutes sin.
You think to be tempted is to sin?
I have studied harmaritology.
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Post by genez on Aug 24, 2022 19:00:59 GMT -8
Sometimes is better to remain silent.
Welcome to the forum genez
J. How did you mean that? Silent because I would be wasting my time explaining?
Or, silent, because I ended up saying a wrong thing?
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Post by genez on Aug 24, 2022 14:39:23 GMT -8
I wonder what some here think being "temptable" means? If Jesus were not temptable the Devil would not have wasted time with Jesus in the great temptation. Sometimes is better to remain silent. Welcome to the forum genez J.
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Post by genez on Aug 24, 2022 14:20:32 GMT -8
I wonder what some here think being "temptable" means? Do you see temptation as being sin?
If Jesus were not temptable the Devil would not have wasted time with Jesus in the great temptation.
Temptation is being offered an option as a solution to a problem that does not agree with the Word of God.
What kept Jesus free of temptation? It was learning and knowing the Word of God.
Is being hungry as sin? No.
But, Satan tried to exploit Jesus' hunger after he fasted for 40 days.
But, was the temptation about food?
No...
It was about Satan tempting Jesus to take back up his powers of Deity (that were rightfully his) and to provide for himself his own food.
Instead of Jesus of giving in, he needed to remain as a man to qualify to die in our place. That meant to remain fully dependent upon the Father and Holy Spirit for all his needs.
Having come down from heaven where He was before the Incarnation, where anything he wanted was always being done automatically in the power of God? To be experiencing weakness as a man had been foreign to him. But, this weakness he needed to experience as a man, and served as a great temptation for him to escape from.
We have a hard time identifying with that situation Jesus was in. It would be like billionaire hiding away all his money and agreeing to live as an average person for a given amount of time, agreeing not to touch his great wealth to solve his problems. Those whom he left his wealth under their care he would have to petition for what was needed, but always must petition according to rules that had to be strictly followed as to prove himself worthy to be revealed as a righteous man.
enuf for now.......
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Post by genez on Aug 23, 2022 13:54:56 GMT -8
Could Jesus have sinned ?
Jesus as a human could have sinned. For being humanity made him temptable.
Jesus, our high priest, is able to understand our weaknesses. When Jesus lived
on earth, he was tempted in every way. He was tempted in the same ways
we are tempted, but he never sinned." Hebrews 4:15
Adam was created sinless, but that did not make him unable to be tempted. Jesus as a man was meant by the Father to be placed in that same position Adam found himself to prove that Bible Doctrine, when obeyed, would overcome all His enemies.
Not that he would sin. But, Jesus needed to be able to sin if he chose to. For He was placed in a unique position. To be the one who was pioneering, testing, and developing a prototype spiritual system. That once proven to be true.. that God would later hand that system over to Christians to benefit those who will choose to walk in the Spirit.
If Jesus could not have sinned? Then his guidance for us would be meaningless. It could not apply!
For if he could not sin? It would mean he never identified with us in human weakness as needed to overcome our temptations. He suffered and developed counters to all temptations by means of the Father and Holy Spirit enabling him. Thus making Him un-temptable once he faces all possible temptations!
Though Adam could sin. He did not have to sin.
In part.. Jesus came as a man to show the Devil that God did not goof when He created Adam. For Adam did not have to sin. Jesus as a man proved it.
The difference between Jesus and Adam was his obedience to the truth that Adam disobeyed. The same kind of truth that Satan learned to despise. Truth that we need to learn to love as to become an Over Comer!
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Post by genez on Aug 22, 2022 15:37:42 GMT -8
Apologetics....
What it amounts to today?
Few will be correct. The majority will be wrong.
Some will receive correction when a valid point is made.
Others will dig in deeper in the ditch they love to march in.
Why does God allow for such debate to go on? In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. No doubt there have to be factions among you to show which of you have God’s approval." 1 Corinthians 11:18-19
Now is the time when God allows his believers the freedom to succeed, or fail. Those who fail will be denied the right to reign with Him. And, will be denied certain eternal rewards.
Such freedom must be manifested now so all will see when the time comes that God must determine what He does when His evaluating the saints becomes a reality.
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Post by genez on Aug 15, 2022 14:45:03 GMT -8
What is the "limited" what was limited? If something is an attribute, can you choose not to "use" it? If you choose not to use an attribute, would you say it is functionally as if you didn't have it? Maybe this will help? His Deity had to be placed into neutral in effecting his humanity for strength and enabling. For he needed to remain in his function fully human, so that in all the testing he went through he could overcome in a way that could later be handed over to us to overcome with the same thinking. After all his testings and temptations, and having his pioneered spiritual system of grace and truth proven to be effective? Then he was free to finish it all by dying on the Cross for our sins. grace and peace .......... |
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Post by genez on Aug 15, 2022 14:38:26 GMT -8
How can an infinite Being dwell in FULLNESS in a limited body? A body is a limited and created thing by definition. His body and soul is for our sakes. For without Him we can not see the Father. (John 1:18) For the Father outside of the realm of human thinking is incomprehensible to our finite human mind. God has provided for us a constant point of contact by means of the humanity of Christ. One that communicates God to man on a level that a man will relate to and understand. For being two natures in union the humanity of Christ is able and always reporting to men who and what God is in terms that we finite humans can relate to. It says that everything that was created was created through- by - and for Him. In that way He being also human made sure everything that is created needed to be relatable to a human soul. That is why humanity side of Christ is that point of reference for all creation. The creation was created through and by Him and exists for man and angels to have a realm to live in that is comfortable relatable to their finite mentality. |
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Post by genez on Aug 14, 2022 8:42:57 GMT -8
OT believers were born again as Jesus was telling Nicodemus to be born again.
For Nicodemus was yet an OT person when Jesus told him he needed to be born again. The church age had not yet begun, and the gift of the Holy Spirit was not being given at that time.
OT saints were regenerated to become body, soul, and human spirit. The human spirit was what the Holy Spirit begets in being born again.
What confuses many is the additional *gift* of the indwelling Holy Spirit. Confused about the Holy Spirit being what the Holy Spirit begets which is not the case.
What the church age believer receives is the same as the OT saint. That being, 'body, soul, and human spirit.'
Its the ADDITION of the baptism of the Holy Spirit added to regeneration of a human spirit, that makes the Christian different than the OT believers.
Today the gift of the Holy Spirit is given to indwell and control the Christian. Such control is manifested when walking in the Light. That grace control of the body of the believer is what makes the difference. Its that inwardly controlling grace being done by the Holy Spirit that frees us from having to be controlled by the Law externally.
So yes... OT saints were born again. They also received a human spirit to be made able to know the things of God.
In contrast, the church age believer is given the gift of the Holy Spirit to take up residence inside him, as to make the believer not only know the things of God as the OT believer. But enabling the humble Christian to become transformed into things of God. Not simply knowing the things of God as the OT believers were limited to.
grace and peace .....
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