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Post by genez on Oct 4, 2022 20:44:28 GMT -8
Do we believe that if we refused to preach the Gospel that some souls will not get saved?
Hmmm... If the gospel is not preached no souls will get saved. Look at what I said,please. I did not say if the Gospel is not preached. I said if you do not preach the Gospel will some souls not get saved. |
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Post by genez on Oct 4, 2022 13:37:44 GMT -8
That was not my question...
"Do we believe that if we refused to preach the Gospel that some souls will not get saved?"
Who does man's salvation depend on? If you refuse? Will not the omniscient God? Who always knew you would refuse? Provide another means for a person's salvation?
None whom God knows would believe, will perish.
God wants us to be a part of his plan. To share in his life. Yet, his plan's fulfillment does not depend upon men to do His will. It was men who refused to God's will that got Jesus to the Cross.
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Post by genez on Oct 4, 2022 11:12:20 GMT -8
Do we believe that if we refused to preach the Gospel that some souls will not get saved?
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Post by genez on Oct 3, 2022 16:56:54 GMT -8
The only way to expose the carnal believer is by means of the Law...
Not concerning the ceremonial law. But, for the moral, civil, and national law.
"But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law." Galatians 5:18
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Post by genez on Oct 2, 2022 7:49:00 GMT -8
Problem happens,,,, when believers live in what they think is a totally surrendered life. To teachings that are designed to appeal to their natural view of Christ. It becomes fanaticism in the name of Lordship Christianity.
Jesus is Lord even when a believer does not make Him lord. Jesus is Lord when unbelievers reject Him.
If you do not make Jesus Lord of your life? He remains Lord over all. For, the consequences for not submitting to His authority from *sound* doctrine are the welts coming from His Lordship.
He is always Lord. Not only when we make Him Lord.
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Post by genez on Sept 29, 2022 20:01:07 GMT -8
.........................Vines Expository Dictionary.......................................
1 Angelos
"a messenger" (from angello, "to deliver a message"), sent whether by God or by man or by Satan,
"is also used of a guardian or representative in Re. 1:20, cp. Mt. 18:10; Ac. 12:15 (where it is better
understood as = 'ghost'), superior to man, Heb. 2:7; Ps. . 8:5, belonging to Heaven, Mt. 24:36; Mr. 12:25,
and to God, Lu. 12:8, and engaged in His service, Ps. . 103:20. "Angels" are spirits, Heb. 1:14, i.e., they
have not material bodies as men have; they are either human in form, or can assume the human form
when necessary, cp. Lu. 24:4, with Lu. 24:23, Ac. 10:3 with Ac. 10:30. "They are called 'holy' in Mr. 8:38,
and 'elect,' 1Ti. 5:21, in contrast with some of their original number, Mt. 25:41, who 'sinned,' 2Pe. 2:4,
'left their proper habitation,' Jude. 1:6, oiketerion, a word which occurs again, in the NT, only in 2Co. 5:2.
Note! Angels are always spoken of in the masculine gender, the feminine form of the word does not occur."*
[* From Notes on Thessalonians, by Hogg and Vine, p. 229.] Note: Isangelos, "equal to the angels," occurs in Lu. 20:36."
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Post by genez on Sept 29, 2022 14:22:33 GMT -8
What is not thought through and understood by many today?
The fallen angels were caught in a highly frustrating dilemma. A humiliating one.
They had uncontrollable desires. For they were alienated from God's grace. God's angels are comforted and strengthened by God's grace.
As witnessed to in Genesis 6, the fallen LONGED for women. Women that they were not allowed to touch after Noah's flood.
Since they live in delusion and ego mania.... and in unfathomable pride, they are hyper sensitive to any criticism of what losers they are. They refuse to admit their loss because of following Satan's promises.
Instead, to prove that they do not need God? And, will always be proven self sufficient without God's provisions?
Certain of the fallen angels found themselves enthralled with the female human. They adored them so much that they took note and studied their actions and mannerisms... So much so? That some acted them out out of admiration. Then, one thing led to another. Some began dressing and moving like the women they adored. The first drag queens were fallen angels!
The other fallen angels took notice of the counterfeit females among their number. They agreed to play make believe and form their own relationships to show God that they did not need His provision, that they will make what they need for themselves.
Its all denial after denial. Homosexuals and lesbians are the fallen angel's proving ground, and with them the fallen angels want to inspire the gay community to show the world that they are just as happy and well off as normal people...
It will end when the Lord returns. Until then? A little insight will help stabilize doctrinal believers who must endure the insanity while it is allowed to continue.
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Post by genez on Sept 27, 2022 15:59:59 GMT -8
Okay that post I can definitely get ahold of. The Angels you're talking about went against God's plan and instigated their own plan. Sounds like idolatry to me. The most important text regarding homosexuality in the NT is Romans 1:26–27. We learn from this text and the surrounding context that all sin, including homosexuality, is a consequence of idolatry. The fundamental and root sin, therefore, is not homosexuality or any other erroneous behaviour. The sin that provokes God’s wrath and leads to all other sin is the worship of the creature rather than the creator (Rom. 1:25). It is the failure to give thanks and praise to the one true and living God (Rom. 1:21). It is important to emphasize here that homosexual sin is not singled out because homosexuals are particularly egregious sinners. Sin is an equal opportunity and democratic employer! All human beings have failed to glorify and thank God the way they should. Paul probably focuses on homosexuality at this point because it mirrors idolatry. In other words, both idolatry and same sex relations distort what human beings were made to do. That is, all human beings turn the world upside down by worshipping self rather than God. And same sex relations invert what God has intended, so that human beings opt for same sex intercourse instead of engaging in sexual intercourse with the opposite sex. The reason homosexuality is proscribed here is that it is contrary to nature (para physin). The reference to ‘nature’ indicates that Paul refers back to the creation account, to what God intended when he created men and women. Paul’s use of the relatively unusual words thelys for females and arsen for males suggests that he draws on the creation account of Genesis (Gen. 1:27, LXX) where the same two words are used. The terms call attention to the sexual distinctiveness of males and females, suggesting that same sex relations violate God’s creational intent. Further, the phrase ‘contrary to nature’ echoes Stoic and Hellenistic Jewish traditions, which saw homosexual relations as a violation of the created order. Thomas R. Schreiner
Please keep in mind. The men spoken of in Romans One were heterosexuals prior to their rejection of what God showed them which was made plain to them.
They created lies to suppress the truth that God had instilled in them.
Instead they were drawn to the influence of the demons of the cosmos that rules over men. They ended up preferring the lies over the truth. So? It says that God gave them over to the desires of their hearts. Hence.. God removed all restraint and handed them over to the demonic realm.
The result was? These men became transformed into what they worshiped. They became like the fallen angels had become after seeing what they were missing when God put on display man and women making love. These evil men in Romans One who were given over to the fallen angels turned into flaming homosexuals. They became transformed into what they adored... Which as punishment from God resulted in self hatred that they must now deny in their delusional thinking.
"Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such
things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things
but also approve of those who practice them." Romans 1:32
Not to mention.... Verses 28-31, read like a personality profile for the corrupt mainstream media we have today!
Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the
knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so
that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled
with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are
full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice.
They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful;
they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no
understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy."
Lying and delusion is a way of life for them.
For their life is a delusional lie.
grace and peace.....
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Post by genez on Sept 27, 2022 14:59:49 GMT -8
I have a hard time with this matter at times because there are some that do not believe in the prehistoric creation that was judged, destroyed, and replaced with our current world.
A prehistoric world that God had angels having dominion over, just as Adam was to have dominion over our current creation.
Just as Adam was assigned by God a work of naming all the animals, there was something the angels were assigned to in their prehistoric world that gave rise to Satan's rebellion against the authority of the Lord.
Because of the unrepentant rebellion of many angels? God called off the crowing glory of providing a woman for blessing each of them........
When Adam was created, and his woman was finally made known for all to see? The fallen angels suddenly realized that they were not as smart as they thought they had been for thinking they were self sufficient to the point of not needing God over them. The revelation of the beautiful women of mankind was a CRUSHING blow to their arrogance. Which had been of self importance and ultra self sufficiency.
Again.... God supplied grace for celibacy for the faithful angels as to not have them suffer the anguish to see what they had been denied when beautiful women were revealed on earth. But, God left the fallen angels without grace which they denied needing. To be engulfed in emotional pain because of their desire to follow Satan's delusions and lies.
Its why we see marriage under attack in such an evil and hateful way in our day. When there is a truly happy marriage? Demons are enraged to be reminded what they lost out on for choosing to reject the Lord and His provision for all their needs.
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Post by genez on Sept 27, 2022 14:07:39 GMT -8
I am going to tell you what some of you are resisting learning about. Its about the root cause for drag queens and homosexuality found now in men today. But, if you want to take this doctrinal issue in such a blase light manner? I will have to take the insight elsewhere. For now, here is one clue. If Adam rebelled against God before finishing the work given him of naming all the animals?
And, refused to repent (like Satan and his angels did in their fall)? God would not have blessed Adam with his woman.That blessing would have been called off. If it had happened with Adam that way? After judgment, Adam would still be able to procreate as a sign of missed blessings. That is what happened with the angels. For, Satan's rebellion and his angels put that kind of blessings away from them.
They were going to receive a female counterpart as blessing for their faithfulness. Now those angels without God's grace for celibacy have uncontrollable desire that can not be satisfied.
But, if we wish to continue with this topic as if it were a cocktail hour conversation piece? I will have to take what I have found elsewhere.
People have to be ready for it.
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Post by genez on Sept 27, 2022 13:12:39 GMT -8
Scholars debate and disagree over the meaning of the obscure reference to "the sons of God" in Genesis 6:1-4. Some people read into these verses the idea that it refers to angelic beings marrying women and producing a race of giants. Christ explained that is impossible, teaching that angels are neither male nor female (Luke 20:34-36)—that is, they are incapable of reproduction........................................... Christ taught that His angels IN HEAVEN do not marry. He was not speaking of all angels. In Genesis 6 there was no "marrying" going on. The Hebrew plainly states that they took and seized passionately the women they chose for themselves. And, please show me anywhere in the Bible that unbelievers have reproduced with believers and suddenly giants appeared as a result?
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Post by genez on Sept 27, 2022 9:01:04 GMT -8
The Bible contains truths that are buried like a treasure that has been hidden from sight.
My goal is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love,
so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding,
in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ,
in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge." Colossians 2:2-3
John 1:1 = We see that He is the Word of God. And?
In whom are hidden treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
What is hidden in Genesis 6:1-2 that took place before Noah's flood?
It says that angels were having mutant children with human woman.
Some disagree. Others knowing the Hebrew, are forced to that conclusion.
But, there is a question that seems never to be asked.
Why were those angels able to procreate? Why?
What went wrong that left the angels without God providing for them their own female counterpart like God had for Adam?
grace and peace ........
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Post by genez on Sept 25, 2022 14:09:15 GMT -8
Are you saying that we can not know and determine when it speaks of a "messenger" or an actual angel?? FYI Greek: Angelos always appears in the masculine gender. Yes one way is when the messenger / angel accepts worship . Created angels do not but the messenger / angel of the Lord ( YHWH) was worshiped and was the Eternal Son appearing to man as a Christophany/ Theophany . An appearance of God in the O.T. One difference. When the Angel of Jehovah was appearing (is no longer doing so) the Angel was God. Therefore, able to receive worship. We see no more manifestations of the Angel of Jehovah since the Incarnation. For now is the time when the Son is to be manifested as God before creation. |
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Post by genez on Sept 24, 2022 16:47:11 GMT -8
Jesus is fully man and fully God in union. Jesus is NOT fully angel and fully God in union! That is? Unless you see no difference between the essence of man (soul) and the essence of angels (spirit). I wonder why some have a hard time with this. Its as if conventional tradition has become the word of God to them. Angel can mean either a created being or a messenger that is not an angelic being. hope this helps !!! Are you saying that we can not know and determine when it speaks of a "messenger" or an actual angel?? FYI Greek: Angelos always appears in the masculine gender. |
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Post by genez on Sept 22, 2022 17:13:55 GMT -8
Many think the angel of Jehovah was the pre-incarnate Jesus. That can not be.
Keep in mind, the Holy Spirit is also God. Not just Jesus.
The Father is God! And, the Son is God! The Holy Spirit is God!
The Angel of Jehovah was the Holy Spirit (not Jesus) manifested in an angelic body! God! God being manifested to Moses as an angel.
As Jesus came to man as a man? So it was for the angels. For they had the appearance of the Angel of Jehovah to angels.
Before there were any men created? The Holy Spirit came to the angels as the Angel of Jehovah. It was not Jesus as some try to figure out what it can not be.
An angel is "spirit." The Holy Spirit. Jesus is soul.= man. The Angel of Jehovah could not have been Jesus in a pre-incarnate state.
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