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Post by rickstudies on Sept 15, 2022 9:08:24 GMT -8
Is dispensation a bad word? Yes this infamous word has been known to induce a panicky hysteria in some folks but what does it really mean? Well a dispensation denotes a period of time just as the word age does. The difference is that a dispensation denotes a period of time a system or organization of some kind is in force while an age is just a period of time in history. In scripture a dispensation is the period of time an arrangement God has made with man is in force. The period of time we live in now is part of what the Bible calls the dispensation of grace. This word is not the boogeyman some think it is.
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Post by Parker on Sept 15, 2022 10:43:57 GMT -8
Is dispensation a bad word? Yes this infamous word has been known to induce a panicky hysteria in some folks but what does it really mean? Well a dispensation denotes a period of time just as the word age does. The difference is that a dispensation denotes a period of time a system or organization of some kind is in force while an age is just a period of time in history. In scripture a dispensation is the period of time an arrangement God has made with man is in force. The period of time we live in now is part of what the Bible calls the dispensation of grace. This word is not the boogeyman some think it is. I don't think it's the word "dispensation" in and of itself that creates a problem. It's more of where people go with it. Then you get the reaction that you're talking about in your OP. Therefore, it's understandable that serious consideration should be given to a system of belief that has come to be known as dispensationalism. Hopefully this thread will provide certain theological perspectives which will greatly assist in our understanding of the system of dispensationalism, especially as it relates to other theological systems. In recent years, dispensationalism has been hit with a blistering onslaught of criticism, mostly focusing on dispensationalism’s love affair with the no-lordship gospel. That one right there can easily set off a firestorm. Add to that various interpretation methods; both primary and secondary theological differences between dispensationalism and opposing theological points of view (particularly that of covenant theology); Millennialism and Rapturism; Old Testament vs. New Testament application; the interpretation of prophecy; the significance of prophecy; and perspectives on Law and Grace, and you can see how easy it is for a controversy to arise. |
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Post by rickstudies on Sept 15, 2022 11:14:04 GMT -8
Is dispensation a bad word? Yes this infamous word has been known to induce a panicky hysteria in some folks but what does it really mean? Well a dispensation denotes a period of time just as the word age does. The difference is that a dispensation denotes a period of time a system or organization of some kind is in force while an age is just a period of time in history. In scripture a dispensation is the period of time an arrangement God has made with man is in force. The period of time we live in now is part of what the Bible calls the dispensation of grace. This word is not the boogeyman some think it is. I don't think it's the word "dispensation" in and of itself that creates a problem. It's more of where people go with it. Then you get the reaction that you're talking about in your OP. Therefore, it's understandable that serious consideration should be given to a system of belief that has come to be known as dispensationalism. Hopefully this thread will provide certain theological perspectives which will greatly assist in our understanding of the system of dispensationalism, especially as it relates to other theological systems. In recent years, dispensationalism has been hit with a blistering onslaught of criticism, mostly focusing on dispensationalism’s love affair with the no-lordship gospel. That one right there can easily set off a firestorm. Add to that various interpretation methods; both primary and secondary theological differences between dispensationalism and opposing theological points of view (particularly that of covenant theology); Millennialism and Rapturism; Old Testament vs. New Testament application; the interpretation of prophecy; the significance of prophecy; and perspectives on Law and Grace, and you can see how easy it is for a controversy to arise. While the denomination you are talking about is pretty active on the internet, it is so small that I can`t even find an estimate of their numbers. A minor denomination at best. Most premillennialists have no issue with the word dispensation when they understand what the word means. |
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Post by Parker on Sept 15, 2022 11:52:31 GMT -8
rickstudiesI'm not exactly sure what you mean by "Denomination" and "Most premillennialists". Are you talking about Dispensational Premillennialism and the Plymouth Brethren Movement?
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Post by eternallygrateful on Sept 16, 2022 11:06:16 GMT -8
Is dispensation a bad word? Yes this infamous word has been known to induce a panicky hysteria in some folks but what does it really mean? Well a dispensation denotes a period of time just as the word age does. The difference is that a dispensation denotes a period of time a system or organization of some kind is in force while an age is just a period of time in history. In scripture a dispensation is the period of time an arrangement God has made with man is in force. The period of time we live in now is part of what the Bible calls the dispensation of grace. This word is not the boogeyman some think it is. I don't think it's the word "dispensation" in and of itself that creates a problem. It's more of where people go with it. Then you get the reaction that you're talking about in your OP. Therefore, it's understandable that serious consideration should be given to a system of belief that has come to be known as dispensationalism. Hopefully this thread will provide certain theological perspectives which will greatly assist in our understanding of the system of dispensationalism, especially as it relates to other theological systems. In recent years, dispensationalism has been hit with a blistering onslaught of criticism, mostly focusing on dispensationalism’s love affair with the no-lordship gospel. That one right there can easily set off a firestorm. Add to that various interpretation methods; both primary and secondary theological differences between dispensationalism and opposing theological points of view (particularly that of covenant theology); Millennialism and Rapturism; Old Testament vs. New Testament application; the interpretation of prophecy; the significance of prophecy; and perspectives on Law and Grace, and you can see how easy it is for a controversy to arise. this is the second time I have heard the term, "No-Lordship" whats up with this? |
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Post by eternallygrateful on Sept 16, 2022 11:15:32 GMT -8
Dispensation is a greek word "oikonomian"
it means administration or management of affairs, of households. of others, or an office of administration entrusted to someone.
In biblical terms, dispensationalism is a means of trying to divide history into different times, to help us understand how God dealt with mankind. or how he administered his word or statutes. or who he used to administer his will (ie, the church in the age or dispensation of Grace)
The issue is people do not understand what the term means.
they believe it is just a means for people to divide Israel and the church (not true)
they believe it teaches duel covenant theology (one group sis saved one way, while the other group is saved a different way, ie law vs grace) which is not true
and most of the anger against this theological train of thinking is based on premil vs amil or postmil theology..
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Post by Parker on Sept 16, 2022 14:42:21 GMT -8
Just when you thought it was safe to go in the water.... What is ultra-dispensationalism?Ok this one is a lot safer: What is dispensationalism and is it biblical? |
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Post by rickstudies on Sept 16, 2022 15:40:10 GMT -8
Dispensation is a greek word "oikonomian" it means administration or management of affairs, of households. of others, or an office of administration entrusted to someone. In biblical terms, dispensationalism is a means of trying to divide history into different times, to help us understand how God dealt with mankind. or how he administered his word or statutes. or who he used to administer his will (ie, the church in the age or dispensation of Grace) The issue is people do not understand what the term means. they believe it is just a means for people to divide Israel and the church (not true) they believe it teaches duel covenant theology (one group sis saved one way, while the other group is saved a different way, ie law vs grace) which is not true and most of the anger against this theological train of thinking is based on premil vs amil or postmil theology.. The term "no lordship" is an ad hominem that is used to slur those who believe in salvation without works. |
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Post by RS on Sept 16, 2022 18:29:22 GMT -8
rickstudiesI'm not exactly sure what you mean by "Denomination" and "Most premillennialists". Are you talking about Dispensational Premillennialism and the Plymouth Brethren Movement? No I am not, maybe try a dictionary. |
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Post by Parker on Sept 17, 2022 7:09:16 GMT -8
rickstudiesI'm not exactly sure what you mean by "Denomination" and "Most premillennialists". Are you talking about Dispensational Premillennialism and the Plymouth Brethren Movement? No I am not, maybe try a dictionary. Ok rude rick whatever you say. |
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Post by civic on Sept 17, 2022 7:22:07 GMT -8
I don't think it's the word "dispensation" in and of itself that creates a problem. It's more of where people go with it. Then you get the reaction that you're talking about in your OP. Therefore, it's understandable that serious consideration should be given to a system of belief that has come to be known as dispensationalism. Hopefully this thread will provide certain theological perspectives which will greatly assist in our understanding of the system of dispensationalism, especially as it relates to other theological systems. In recent years, dispensationalism has been hit with a blistering onslaught of criticism, mostly focusing on dispensationalism’s love affair with the no-lordship gospel. That one right there can easily set off a firestorm. Add to that various interpretation methods; both primary and secondary theological differences between dispensationalism and opposing theological points of view (particularly that of covenant theology); Millennialism and Rapturism; Old Testament vs. New Testament application; the interpretation of prophecy; the significance of prophecy; and perspectives on Law and Grace, and you can see how easy it is for a controversy to arise. this is the second time I have heard the term, "No-Lordship" whats up with this? If Jesus is not ones Lord then neither is He ones Savior. He is our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 2 sides of the same coin. One cannot accept Him as their Savior and not be their Lord. Thts the problem with christianity- they want a free meal ticket without the lifelong commitment of His Lordship- being His disciple There is a cost to be counted when one becomes a follower/disciple of Christ. Many turned away from Jesus because He made it hard to follow Him. He knew mens hearts and challenged them on what they loved most and had to give up to become His disciples. its not a very popular topic in the churches in America. Its all about us ( me, myself and I ) and not about Him and being a follower of Christ. Jesus never made it easy to follow Him. He promised persecution, hate of the world, death, suffering etc......He said one must be willing to give up everything to follow Him and that in comparison our relationships to others would look like hate in comparison to our love and dedication to Him. |
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Post by eternallygrateful on Sept 17, 2022 11:56:12 GMT -8
this is the second time I have heard the term, "No-Lordship" whats up with this? If Jesus is not ones Lord then neither is He ones Savior. He is our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 2 sides of the same coin. One cannot accept Him as their Savior and not be their Lord. Thts the problem with christianity- they want a free meal ticket without the lifelong commitment of His Lordship- being His disciple There is a cost to be counted when one becomes a follower/disciple of Christ. Many turned away from Jesus because He made it hard to follow Him. He knew mens hearts and challenged them on what they loved most and had to give up to become His disciples. its not a very popular topic in the churches in America. Its all about us ( me, myself and I ) and not about Him and being a follower of Christ. Jesus never made it easy to follow Him. He promised persecution, hate of the world, death, suffering etc......He said one must be willing to give up everything to follow Him and that in comparison our relationships to others would look like hate in comparison to our love and dedication to Him. You can not even Know God UNTIL you are saved. Let alone make him Lord. The tax collector did not make a promise to make him Lord. He cried out for Gods mercy. Saying one must make God lord BEFORE he is saved. Is just another means of adding works to the gospel. Again, Jesus said, I did not come to judge (lordship) i came to save (grace) |
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Post by civic on Sept 17, 2022 12:08:53 GMT -8
If Jesus is not ones Lord then neither is He ones Savior. He is our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 2 sides of the same coin. One cannot accept Him as their Savior and not be their Lord. Thts the problem with christianity- they want a free meal ticket without the lifelong commitment of His Lordship- being His disciple There is a cost to be counted when one becomes a follower/disciple of Christ. Many turned away from Jesus because He made it hard to follow Him. He knew mens hearts and challenged them on what they loved most and had to give up to become His disciples. its not a very popular topic in the churches in America. Its all about us ( me, myself and I ) and not about Him and being a follower of Christ. Jesus never made it easy to follow Him. He promised persecution, hate of the world, death, suffering etc......He said one must be willing to give up everything to follow Him and that in comparison our relationships to others would look like hate in comparison to our love and dedication to Him. You can not even Know God UNTIL you are saved. Let alone make him Lord. The tax collector did not make a promise to make him Lord. He cried out for Gods mercy. Saying one must make God lord BEFORE he is saved. Is just another means of adding works to the gospel. Again, Jesus said, I did not come to judge (lordship) i came to save (grace) See my new thread on the topic today filled with scriptures. Thanks  berean-apologetics.boards.net/thread/198/lordship-salvation |
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Post by praiseyeshua on Sept 26, 2022 6:59:38 GMT -8
Is dispensation a bad word? Yes this infamous word has been known to induce a panicky hysteria in some folks but what does it really mean? Well a dispensation denotes a period of time just as the word age does. The difference is that a dispensation denotes a period of time a system or organization of some kind is in force while an age is just a period of time in history. In scripture a dispensation is the period of time an arrangement God has made with man is in force. The period of time we live in now is part of what the Bible calls the dispensation of grace. This word is not the boogeyman some think it is. Dispensation is a bad translation of οἰκονομία So the answer is literally.... YES. It is bad word. Someone took a mistake and fabricated a systematic theology from it. |
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Post by rickstudies on Sept 27, 2022 1:01:11 GMT -8
Is dispensation a bad word? Yes this infamous word has been known to induce a panicky hysteria in some folks but what does it really mean? Well a dispensation denotes a period of time just as the word age does. The difference is that a dispensation denotes a period of time a system or organization of some kind is in force while an age is just a period of time in history. In scripture a dispensation is the period of time an arrangement God has made with man is in force. The period of time we live in now is part of what the Bible calls the dispensation of grace. This word is not the boogeyman some think it is. Dispensation is a bad translation of οἰκονομία So the answer is literally.... YES. It is bad word. Someone took a mistake and fabricated a systematic theology from it. Would you mind explaining how your word should be understood. You called the word dispensation a mistake and didn`t explain why you think it is a mistake. Apologetics is missing. |
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