No inherited sin...

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One thing I noticed that was missing from your OP was any mention of the Cross. And that makes me wonder if someone is only a sinner because they choose to sin Then what did Christ mean when he said if I be lifted up I will draw all men unto me. If you chose not to sin you would not need a savior. 

The Bible teaches that we inherit Adam’s sin, in Romans 5:12–19 and 1 Corinthians 15:22. Read those passages carefully.  Romans 5:12 says that all sinned, and then Paul breaks off the sentence. But it is clear from the rest of the passage that in Paul’s view we sinned, somehow, in Adam. People died between Adam and Moses, though there was no written law (vv. 13–14), because they sinned in Adam. In verse 15 the many died for the trespass of the one man, Adam. In verse 16 they are condemned for the sin of the one man. In verse 17 death comes through the sin of the one man. In 18 we are condemned for the trespass of the one man. In 19 we are made sinners through the disobedience of the one man. Through the whole passage Paul draws a parallel between our sin through Adam and our righteousness through Christ.


The passage doesn’t tell us how we inherit Adam’s sin or, for that matter, how we inherit Christ’s righteousness. Some theologians have taught a realistic union between ourselves and Adam, that we somehow existed in him before we were even born. Rather than discuss the arguments for this position, I’ll just say that it is rather speculative, and in my view it doesn’t solve the problem, since it does not relieve the apparent injustice. On this view one might still complain about the justice of God’s incorporating us realistically into Adam.

Very Concerning, it's actually starting to give me the BEjeebies. A bad case of the not being thingy being a thingy, Ding a ling a ling a lingie.
Just out of curiosity do you ever have anything coherent to say? Or is that like asking too much? It's cool though just do your thing. That rhymes with ding-a-ling. It's your thing... do what you got ta do.

Agreed. He did not die for the holy elect angels who never chose to sin.



I do not think Romans 5:12 teach your interpretation of its meaning even though it is orthodox...Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned. says that DEATH passed to all men because they were all sinners ie, already, NOT because they inherited Adam's sinfulness.

Your pov is an interpretation only, not a truth that we sinned in Adam.

The full story of GOD's interaction with man on this earth ends with a heavenly marriage implies that the heavenly marriage was HIS purpose for our creation. It is in the heavenly marriage that HIS GLORY shines forth the strongest and most perfect in relationship with us, NOT in justice nor redemption which are merely aids to bring the marriage to fruition after to our moral stumbles.

HIS plan for all creation was the heavenly marriage.
HIS plan for each of us is the heavenly marriage.
Everything HE has ever done or will ever do conformed to this purpose, this plan, and He has never done anything that would slow this plan down or put it off or side track it in the least!

It implies that ALL of HIS being, all of HIS Sovereignty, all of HIS love, HIS righteousness and HIS nature as just have one perfect focus, to culminate HIS relationship with HIS creation in the heavenly marriage: one plan, one focus.

Therefore:
Our free will is an absolute necessity.
Aside from the fact that GOD cannot create any evil so all sinfulness proves the free will of the sinner, it is also a fact that true love and true marriage can be arrived at only by the free will acceptance of the lover and acceptance of the proposal of marriage by the Bride. GOD is not a Borg willing to have a Stepford wife...

This implies that GOD would never not save anyone who could be saved to become HIS Bride, not for any reason. No one is in hell who can be saved by any IF in reality... This also implies that only those who chose to eternally reject HIM as GOD and husband by a deep desire not to be involved in HIS plan would ever be passed over for entry into the marriage because they have a right to their free will decisions to choose such a path.

It implies that everyone ever created in HIS image, ie, able to be a proper Bride for HIM, was created perfectly capable and able to become HIS bride, not held back by any imperfection or lack of acceptance by HIM.
Isaiah 43:7, 21
7 "whom I created for my glory"
21 the people I formed for myself that they may proclaim my praise.

Ecc 7:29 Only this have I found: I have discovered that God made man upright, but they have sought out many schemes.” Upright: S3477, yashar, straightforward, just, upright:... GOD created no one disgustingly corrupt, enslaved to sin and unable to be HIS Bride.

By their coming into being everyone must have been within HIS plan, not separated from HIM by anything until they decide by their informed free will to reject HIM and HIS plan. HE cannot marry an evil person so why would HE create by any means, any system at all, evil people? It is impossible.



As Job 38:7 says, ALL the sons of GOD[/font] existed and sang to HIS glory when HE displayed the proof of HIS divinity and eternal power to everyone.

eleos Said : "We don't inherit Adam's sin .... we do inherit from birth the tendency towards sin. It is why one must be born again."

Alrighty then let's do a deep dive into man's "Sin nature". 

If as you say we inherited from birth The tendency to sin, Then the opposite must be true. That we are born with the tendency not to sin. Since the definition of the word tendency is: an inclination toward a particular characteristic or type of behavior then there has to be other choices that can be made. 

If that were so why would one need to be born again IF he chose not to have an inclination toward sin? We would be sinless. There's only one person that fits that bill and that would be Jesus.

Let's take a look at Romans 6:6 "We know that our old self was crucified with him so that the sinful body might be destroyed, and we might no longer be enslaved to sin".

Our old man is our preconversion life, what we were before becoming Christians under the unrestrained dominion of the flesh (sin nature). The body of sin refers to the sinful nature within us, not to the human body. The Greek verb translated done away with does not mean to become extinct, but to be defeated or deprived of power.

The Bible clarifies the true story of the human soul throughout its pages. For example, when Paul writes of his battle with inherited sin, he claims in Romans 7:14–25:

I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do … As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out…. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!


Paul explains that he is unspiritual, enslaved, and bound by a sinful nature. When he writes, “nothing good lives in me,

Paul doesn't seem to be able to conquer that Tendency towards sin. Why not? Because Paul inherited a sin nature perhaps?

You may not fully understand your own soul’s plight—or perhaps you do and are ready for a fuller understanding—but it’s written throughout the Bible and it accounts for the suffering we feel both in ourselves and see in the world. Even if you think we are able to Choose to sin or not to sin we’re told in Bible that we are captives, essentially, to our sin nature.

Only if our conception / birth is our creation...

A fetus may die. An embryo may die.
Death is the wages for sin, not a consequence of life.
Therefore all suffering and death proves sinfulness, not a tendency towards sin!

Therefore: how we can be created sinful by a GOD who is LOVE and LIGHT is an obvious question.

IF no one, (any human) dies for the sin of their father (Adam) as per Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, every soul belongs to Me; both father and son are Mine. The soul who sins is the one who will die. and Ezek 18:20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. …but only those who have chosen by their free will to sin, as per Jer 31:30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity:
THEN,
either we chose by our free will to sin BEFORE our conception as sinners
or
GOD does indeed create sinners and their sin by creating them in Adam's line and not independent as HE made Adam and Eve and all the angels...

I champion a HOLY and RIGHTEOUS GOD who would never create a sinner nor sin by any means at all, including a surrogate like Adam:
Light cannot create darkness.
A good tree cannot put forth rotten fruit.
A stream of life giving water cannot put forth salt or brackish water.
GOODNESS cannot bring forth evil.
Inherited sin or sin by the will of GOD is anathema.

Sin is transgression of the law .... an embryo and/or baby and/or young child does not know what sin is for a period of time .... therefore they can not be held accountable until they know what it is.