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Post by e v e on Aug 5, 2022 20:07:19 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2022 21:19:53 GMT -8
your own interpretation of what you think l i believe , as you stated it here - is all yours and is what’s strange. i don’t recognize what you wrote about me … and find it foreign… i am not jw or muslim or in any sect (including mainstream christian sects/denominations…) being spoken about in third person or spoken for is poor.
I didn't say you were Muslim or JW. I said you had similarities. Those are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
I could dig up your old posts that say these things, you even had some very strange "restored" Bible that completely changed the current Bibles we have, but it's hardly worth it I guess.
There is nothing "poor" about being spoken of in the third person, that's stupid.
If you deny these beliefs answer them forthrightly:
1. Do you believe that the English Bibles we have today are uncorrupted and the inspired Word of God?
2. Do you believe you are part of a special and elite group of 144k that gets a special status in heaven?
Yes or no.
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Post by e v e on Aug 5, 2022 22:46:24 GMT -8
what an ugly harsh attitude .
do not talk to me .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2022 23:58:55 GMT -8
what an ugly harsh attitude . do not talk to me .
Your attitude is the ugly one.
Even if my attitude was ugly—which it's not, you are sinfully judging my heart—you still should not be so rude to me.
Jesus said love your enemies, and you don't obey him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 0:00:19 GMT -8
Also it's very dishonest to red herring about my attitude to avoid answering simple questions.
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Post by civic on Aug 6, 2022 4:54:22 GMT -8
I was hoping we would all be more respectful of others beliefs that are different than ours . That’s one of the goals here is to be a place like that where we are able to express our differences with respect .
hope this helps !!!
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Post by e v e on Aug 6, 2022 8:03:12 GMT -8
for anyone who now might be reading…
the 144k are not ‘elites’
such as the ugly materialistic elites upon this earth..
so that term has a bad connotation many times
and I would not use it to describe any soul of Him, including 144k.
it’s true the 144k are very special.
every single soul belonging to God
is very special and irreplaceable
and has unique irreplaceable attributes..
just as those who met christ
on earth as His early church
had a special job
the 144k have a different job
just as in scripture is described,
and scripture shows how each soul of His does
these are the talents we are not to bury
those His apostles had no higher ranking..
than any soul Dear to God…
than any of His souls … for each His souls hear Him
just as the prophets…
sarah had a job and
abraham had a job to do
which was to obey God and listen to Him in a certain way..
sarah’s job was to do the impossible and have a child
… and from that the promise of many souls
going home…
mary a simple girl had for a job
to accept the angels words and trust God
and she did
some souls (from adam , on this earth)
who are His are among the 144k, as mentioned in rev
i am a soul of Him and as such
I am part of His family… and that’s a special status….
melt…
and the same is true for each and every soul of Him….
regardless each their unique qualities…
regardless if they are 144k…
we all have a special place with Him…
all He asks is we obey and listen Him.
the smallest sweet child of Him
His treasure…
the special status I know of
is being with God in eden paradise
very soon.
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Post by civic on Aug 6, 2022 8:09:19 GMT -8
There are many different views on the 144k and I'm not dogmatic about who they are as its not one of those things I consider to be essential to believe or understand.
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Post by e v e on Aug 6, 2022 8:20:29 GMT -8
There are many different views on the 144k and I'm not dogmatic about who they are as its not one of those things I consider to be essential to believe or understand. I understand… thank you i just wanted to clarify because often the term got associated to how a sect interpreted it rather than how He does I feel that every word He says in scripture is relevant.. and literal right now to each of us… I’d say His 144k are crucial in these end times… every word of His in prophets and what He speaks to His Souls and most serious is to understand His Words. and I think i have now answered any pending questions posed to me. :) |
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Post by TibiasDad on Aug 6, 2022 9:51:50 GMT -8
Are you, by this, implying that Christians cannot sin or that there are only 144 thousand believers? Doug thank you for asking me. no to both. both would be horrible. the darby rapture is completely off, many more than just the 144k will be in paradise with christ. also if i recall jw think that paradise will be on this earth… ? which is not true. Eve, You've told what you don't believe, but you haven't explained what you do mean by "His 144k does no evil" . Let me explain the conundrums in my mind raised by your words above: - You are commenting on a limited scope of people, the 144k, which implies a unique category of reference. Why?
- This limited scope of people, the 144k, "does no evil"; this implies that either they never have sinned, or that they are incapable of sinning. Either way, these 144k are not sinning.
- What/who are these 144k in your mind?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 10:57:14 GMT -8
I also want everyone to notice this question was not answered:
1. Do you believe that the English Bibles we have today are uncorrupted and the inspired Word of God?
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Post by civic on Aug 6, 2022 11:04:27 GMT -8
I was hoping we would all be more respectful of others beliefs that are different than ours . That’s one of the goals here is to be a place like that where we are able to express our differences with respect . hope this helps !!!
If you are talking to me, I don't agree it's somehow "disrespectful" just to get a person to clarify what they believe.
I DO think it's disrespectful to call someone's attitude "ugly" when they were just making an inquiry.
So if you are correcting someone, it might be helpful to say exactly who and what you are correcting, unless you want to turn into CARM 2.0.
Thanks.
Jesus answered him, "If I have spoken evil, bear witness of the evil; but if well, why do you strike Me?" (Jn. 18:23 NKJ)
I was just making a general statement and speaking to myself as well.
Just some personal background. I came alongside ever several years ago on CARM when she was being attacked by all sides on the forums. I got to know her over the years, I like her, she is well educated and she sees many things differently then I do but that is ok. My desire is just to have a friendly place where we have a diversity of poster and beliefs that we can share with one another and do it in a respectful manner.
For example you and I see Gods wrath differently and thats ok in my book. Its not going to make any difference with your salvation or mine and I think its ok to disagree. I'm not going to call you heretical and I hope this works both ways. The same goes with another area we differ on the kenosis. I'm not going to call you or anyone else who disagrees with me on that anything derogatory like I have done in the past. Those kinds of exchanges are unfruitful and I don't want this place to be that kind of environment. Some might think this is compromising my beliefs but that is not the case I'm just considering other peoples ideas as being important to them. And I think if we are open and honest we can all learn some things from each other and grow from it brother. Also I'm not for ecumenicalism either 
hope this helps !!!
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Post by e v e on Aug 6, 2022 17:17:57 GMT -8
Sorry but the thread sections were messed up and I'm learning this forum
so I am replying without quoting and only to part of what you said, here, so far
I never said His souls 'do no evil' anywhere, and in fact it never occurred to me
though since you brought it up...
how could they 'do evil' which is not like mistakes but has a coloring of intent to it...
Did the apostles do evil ?
What do you mean by evil..
Of course I am hoping I am of the 144k...
but yes , I sin even not wanting to.. this body IS sin.
If I said something like that, I would have been referring to the 144k once they are 'already
in their resurrection bodies' and, with Christ, in paradise...
how could anyone be free of evil in these corrupt type of fleshbodies ?
Impossible...
this realm we live in IS Death , just as God warned...
these fleshbodies are ruled by the law of sin and death...
Certainly I don't feel I'm intentionally sinning but I certainly see
Im weak and helpless in this current prison earth
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Post by e v e on Aug 6, 2022 17:26:10 GMT -8
the 144k will indeed be free of sin when they received their new clothes -- context: once already raptured at the Change as Paul calls it ---
the new clothes being their glorified resurrection body
we lost when eden fell...
and will return to eden paradise with Christ where the sons will rule with Him...
so in that context, the 144k are sinless..
as will be all the saved souls, 144k or not...
but that context is that Christ returned and got us out of here!
neither did I ever say no others are saved... for the 144k will return with Christ to this earth during trib and witness to many souls... and all those millions upon millions will also meet Christ and go to live for ever with Him in paradise
with all the saints ... not just the 144k...but
all the many past generations of souls belonging to God
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Post by e v e on Aug 6, 2022 17:31:12 GMT -8
I also want everyone to notice this question was not answered: 1. Do you believe that the English Bibles we have today are uncorrupted and the inspired Word of God? I did answer this question and I will post a link to that reply.
I did not reply to You but I did reply to that point...
Here is a link where I replied to that theme.
To make the relevant lines easier to find, they are marked in blue.
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