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Post by fred on Aug 16, 2022 6:13:09 GMT -8
Revelation 6:16-17
(16) and they said to the mountains and to the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb;
(17) for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand? (NASB)
6:16
"from the presence of Him" (Person #1)
and
"from the wrath of the Lamb' (Person #2)
6:17
The plural pronoun "their" is used in application to what is taught in v. 16.
Let's see how long it takes for a Modalist to run away from these two verses above and go elsewhere.
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Post by 101G on Aug 16, 2022 6:45:03 GMT -8
Revelation 6:16-17(16) and they said to the mountains and to the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; (17) for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand? (NASB) 6:16 "from the presence of Him" (Person #1) and"from the wrath of the Lamb' (Person #2) 6:17 The plural pronoun "their" is used in application to what is taught in v. 16. Let's see how long it takes for a Modalist to run away from these two verses above and go elsewhere.
First thanks for the post, but not 2 fast here. is not the Lamb who sits on the Throne? supportive scripture, Revelation 5:5 "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof." Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth."
the Lamb that stood as it had been slain is the Lord Jesus. but notice verse 5 this Lamb is "ALSO" the Lion of the tribe of Judah. meaning it's the same one person, and not two persons.
hope that helped,
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Post by fred on Aug 16, 2022 6:50:24 GMT -8
Revelation 6:16-17(16) and they said to the mountains and to the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; (17) for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand? (NASB) 6:16 "from the presence of Him" (Person #1) and"from the wrath of the Lamb' (Person #2) 6:17 The plural pronoun "their" is used in application to what is taught in v. 16. Let's see how long it takes for a Modalist to run away from these two verses above and go elsewhere.
First thanks for the post, but not 2 fast here. is not the Lamb who sits on the Throne? supportive scripture, Revelation 5:5
It took only one post (see the last sentence of the OP). Back again to the use of the plural pronoun in Revelation 6:17. You didn't like this because it refutes your heresy. So predictable. |
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Post by 101G on Aug 16, 2022 7:10:13 GMT -8
GINOLJC, to all,
First thanks for the post, but not 2 fast here. is not the Lamb who sits on the Throne? supportive scripture, Revelation 5:5
It took only one post (see the last sentence of the OP). Back again to the use of the plural pronoun in Revelation 6:17. You didn't like this because it refutes your heresy. So predictable. First, thanks for the reply, second, I'm not a modelist. I'm a "Diversified Oneness". third, there is no plural pronoun in Revelation 6:17 "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" and lastly, if U want to discuss the person(s) I'm game. but don't jump to personal conclusions.  |
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Post by fred on Aug 16, 2022 7:23:31 GMT -8
Oneness of Diversity = Oneness of Perversity = Modalism The earlier manuscripts read "their" - which accords with the use of "and" in v. 16. The reading αὐτῶν (autōn, “their”) is well supported by א C 1611 1854 2053 2329 2344 latt sy. On both internal and external grounds, it should be regarded as autographic. netbible.org/bible/Revelation+6 |
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Post by 101G on Aug 16, 2022 7:30:12 GMT -8
Oneness of Diversity = Oneness of Perversity = Modalism The earlier manuscripts read "their" - which accords with the use of "and" in v. 16. I see U don't understand the ECHAD of the first and the Last. as in Revelation 1:1 U think it's two persons there also.... don't U? no it's only one person. as with the Lamb who stands, and he who sits. it's the same one person. but U have no clue of the ECHAD of God in a diversified state. so, see Ya. |
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Post by fred on Aug 16, 2022 7:33:19 GMT -8
Oneness of Diversity = Oneness of Perversity = Modalism The earlier manuscripts read "their" - which accords with the use of "and" in v. 16. I see U don't understand the ECHAD of the first and the Last. as in Revelation 1:1 U think it's two persons there also.... don't U? no it's only one person. as with the Lamb who stands, and he who sits. it's the same one person. but U have no clue of the ECHAD of God in a diversified state. so, see Ya. From the OP: Let's see how long it takes for a Modalist to run away from these two verses above and go elsewhere. So predictable. Thanks for making this easy for me. |
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Post by rickstudies on Aug 16, 2022 8:05:41 GMT -8
I see U don't understand the ECHAD of the first and the Last. as in Revelation 1:1 U think it's two persons there also.... don't U? no it's only one person. as with the Lamb who stands, and he who sits. it's the same one person. but U have no clue of the ECHAD of God in a diversified state. so, see Ya. From the OP: Let's see how long it takes for a Modalist to run away from these two verses above and go elsewhere. So predictable. Thanks for making this easy for me. I dont think he withdrew from the conversation because of your argument. I think he just didnt like his opinion on the Godhead called a heresy before he even had a chance to explain his position. His assertion that the Lion of Judah and the Lamb are the same is a valid assertion. in Rev 4 the One sitting on the throne is called the creater (Jesus is His name). In Rev 5 the lamb is descrobed as standing in the middle of the throne, He is the center of attention and He recieves the worship of the Elders. You are far from proving your case, that verse isnt the magic bullet you seem to think it is. I for one would have liked to find out more about his beliefs since he was professing not to be a typical modalist. |
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Post by rickstudies on Aug 16, 2022 8:17:53 GMT -8
When you go through the Bible looking for God you end up bumping into Jesus quite a bit. That`s how you ended up at the end of the book grasping at a straw. It`s hard to find a God in the Bible who isnt the Word.
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Post by 101G on Aug 16, 2022 8:26:28 GMT -8
I see U don't understand the ECHAD of the first and the Last. as in Revelation 1:1 U think it's two persons there also.... don't U? no it's only one person. as with the Lamb who stands, and he who sits. it's the same one person. but U have no clue of the ECHAD of God in a diversified state. so, see Ya. From the OP: Let's see how long it takes for a Modalist to run away from these two verses above and go elsewhere. So predictable. Thanks for making this easy for me. ok, it's easy for U? tell us is these 2 separate persons Scripture A. Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."
scripture B. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." see that "WITH" there .... now watch it here, John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
so, Fred. is the First and the Last the SAME one Person here in Isaiah, as the Word and God in John 1:1? a Yes or no will do.
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Post by fred on Aug 16, 2022 8:27:24 GMT -8
From the OP: Let's see how long it takes for a Modalist to run away from these two verses above and go elsewhere. So predictable. Thanks for making this easy for me. I dont think he withdrew from the conversation because of your argument. I think he just didnt like his opinion on the Godhead called a heresy before he even had a chance to explain his position. I have dealt with him numerous times on other forums so I already know his position. |
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Post by fred on Aug 16, 2022 8:30:55 GMT -8
ok, it's easy for U? tell us is these 2 separate persons Scripture A.
You are still dodging Revelation 6:16-17. If you want to start another thread about another passage, then go ahead. But it is very obvious you have nothing to offer in defense of your heresy concerning Revelation 6:16-17. |
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Post by 101G on Aug 16, 2022 8:34:40 GMT -8
this is about rev 6:16, person(s)
so, a yes, or no will do. else just say U don't know
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Post by fred on Aug 16, 2022 8:41:03 GMT -8
this is about rev 6:16, person(s) so, a yes, or no will do. else just say U don't know Thus, proving Jesus is not the Father. From the OP: 6:16 "from the presence of Him" (Person #1) and "from the wrath of the Lamb' (Person #2) Your Oneness of Perversity falls and fails. |
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Post by 101G on Aug 16, 2022 8:42:52 GMT -8
A simple YES, or NO, that's all.
thanks in advance.
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