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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 6, 2022 22:03:28 GMT -8
better be REAL careful with you answer here....although I doubt God will send you to hell for ignorance, and I'm sure He's at least pleased with the faith you have, somewhat misinformed as it is, but hopefully He'll get you down off yer high horse at some point.
I teach the same exact Gospel that Pail preached — 1 Cor15:1-4 .... Plus Nothing (when it comes strictly to Salvation) ....I add Nothing to it as you do....and as Paul has warned not to—— and you try to argue against it.....
Your argument is not with me, it is with Paul.....good luck....
If I am on a “ high horse” because I am willing to fight for the Truth Of The Gospel ( Again, 1Cor15:1-4) , so be it....... I am in good company .....Paul is right there with me on that Horse.......if you choose to remain a “stable boy”,working so hard to earn your Salvation by being a “Do- Gooder”—— Doing “ Work” That has already been done at the Cross....well, all I can say is have fun and “Good Luck” with trying to Make Yourself Worthy Of your Salvation...... myself and Paul and others of us on our “ high horses” realize that we are * MADE” Worthy by the Blood Of The Lamb.......
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 6, 2022 22:19:30 GMT -8
“To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.” Rom 2:7
As usual, taken out of context.....read the previous verses and you will discover that Paul is not referring to any Believers......he is attacking Jewish Hypocrites ( ROM 2::3)....
He is contrasting the True Saints —- Those That are “ Doing Good” ( Trusting In Jesus and the Gospel That Saves) with those that REJECT the Truth Of the Gospel.......
Paul is NOT preaching “ doing good stuff “ to earn your way to Heaven —— it would violate dozens of clear verses that let us know that Salvation is a Free Gift
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Post by hansen on Sept 7, 2022 13:21:36 GMT -8
better be REAL careful with you answer here....although I doubt God will send you to hell for ignorance, and I'm sure He's at least pleased with the faith you have, somewhat misinformed as it is, but hopefully He'll get you down off yer high horse at some point. I teach the same exact Gospel that Pail preached — 1 Cor15:1-4 .... Plus Nothing (when it comes strictly to Salvation) ....I add Nothing to it as you do....and as Paul has warned not to—— and you try to argue against it..... Your argument is not with me, it is with Paul.....good luck.... If I am on a “ high horse” because I am willing to fight for the Truth Of The Gospel ( Again, 1Cor15:1-4) , so be it....... I am in good company .....Paul is right there with me on that Horse.......if you choose to remain a “stable boy”,working so hard to earn your Salvation by being a “Do- Gooder”—— Doing “ Work” That has already been done at the Cross....well, all I can say is have fun and “Good Luck” with trying to Make Yourself Worthy Of your Salvation...... myself and Paul and others of us on our “ high horses” realize that we are * MADE” Worthy by the Blood Of The Lamb....... Paul was knocked off his high horse- because he was wrong-persecuting Christians, something like yourself. Maybe God will give you a Damascus rd experience, opening your eyes. Then your zeal will be useful. |
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Post by Admin on Sept 7, 2022 15:43:35 GMT -8
Please Keep in mind there is a vast difference between a friendly debate and a bitter war of words. Verbal assault, slander, accusation, and perverse speech have no place in the body of Christ (Colossians 3:8; 1 Peter 2:1; Ephesians 4:31). What must unbelievers think when they see Christians slinging verbal mud at each other over minor doctrinal differences?
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Post by hansen on Sept 7, 2022 18:35:30 GMT -8
“To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.” Rom 2:7 As usual, taken out of context.....read the previous verses and you will discover that Paul is not referring to any Believers......he is attacking Jewish Hypocrites ( ROM 2::3).... He is contrasting the True Saints —- Those That are “ Doing Good” ( Trusting In Jesus and the Gospel That Saves) with those that REJECT the Truth Of the Gospel....... Paul is NOT preaching “ doing good stuff “ to earn your way to Heaven —— it would violate dozens of clear verses that let us know that Salvation is a Free Gift "As usual"...LOL. The usual thing involves those with a preconceived erroneous theology trying to find a way to make what was said something different from what was said. Read Rom 1 and 2 and you'll find it addresses Jews and Gentiles, all of us. It speaks of a simple universal truth. And Rom 2:7 isn't speakimg about law-abiding anyway, but about doing the right thing which OF COURSE we must do! And dozens of clear verses must be ignored to think otherwise including all of John's 1st letter. The following verses are easily reconciled with each other when you understand the basics of the new covenant: "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast." Eph 2:8-9 "For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin." Rom 3:20 "To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life." Rom 2:7 "For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous." Rom 2:13 "If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” Matt 19:17 It's very, very simple- not complicated. With the gospel, the new covenant, under grace, we finally have the ability to do what we could not do via the old, under the law...The Law can only convict us of sin. Only God can justify us- make us just. Man's first and most basic job: turn to the Justifier with faith. Not to the Law, but to Him. The gospel was never, ever, ever about a reprieve from the penalty of sin-as long as I believe. The early church wouldn't have had a clue what that was all about. The gospel is about the forgiveness of sin and then the power of God to overcome sin in us as I enter fellowship with Him through faith. |
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Post by hansen on Sept 7, 2022 18:37:00 GMT -8
Please Keep in mind there is a vast difference between a friendly debate and a bitter war of words. Verbal assault, slander, accusation, and perverse speech have no place in the body of Christ (Colossians 3:8; 1 Peter 2:1; Ephesians 4:31). What must unbelievers think when they see Christians slinging verbal mud at each other over minor doctrinal differences? Thank you-I'll try to keep that in mind. |
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 7, 2022 23:21:07 GMT -8
better be REAL careful with you answer here....although I doubt God will send you to hell for ignorance, and I'm sure He's at least pleased with the faith you have, somewhat misinformed as it is, but hopefully He'll get you down off yer high horse at some point. I teach the same exact Gospel that Pail preached — 1 Cor15:1-4 .... Plus Nothing (when it comes strictly to Salvation) ....I add Nothing to it as you do....and as Paul has warned not to—— and you try to argue against it..... Your argument is not with me, it is with Paul.....good luck.... If I am on a “ high horse” because I am willing to fight for the Truth Of The Gospel ( Again, 1Cor15:1-4) , so be it....... I am in good company .....Paul is right there with me on that Horse.......if you choose to remain a “stable boy”,working so hard to earn your Salvation by being a “Do- Gooder”—— Doing “ Work” That has already been done at the Cross....well, all I can say is have fun and “Good Luck” with trying to Make Yourself Worthy Of your Salvation...... myself and Paul and others of us on our “ high horses” realize that we are * MADE” Worthy by the Blood Of The Lamb....... Paul was knocked off his high horse- because he was wrong-persecuting Christians, something like yourself. Maybe God will give you a Damascus rd experience, opening your eyes. Then your zeal will be useful. yeah, sounds like me—— I’m just like Paul before he got Saved.....I go around arresting and killing people because they have rejected Judaism and turned to Jesus for Salvation........Talk about “ grasping for straws” .......your stupid comparison makes me wonder if you have lost your mind... |
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 7, 2022 23:49:55 GMT -8
It's very, very simple- not complicated. With the gospel, the new covenant, under grace, we finally have the ability to do what we could not do via the old, under the law...The Law can only convict us of sin. Only God can justify us-make us just. Man's first and most basic job: turn to the Justifier with faith. Not to the Law, but to Him.
The gospel was never, ever, ever about a reprieve from the penalty of sin-as long as I believe. The early church wouldn't have had a clue what that was all about. The gospel is about the forgiveness of sin and then the power of God to overcome sin in us as I enter fellowship with Him through faith.
Our only disagreement in this post is that even though we as Believers in the Gospel now have the Power to combat Sin , I do not Believe that we will approach “ Anything” close to Perfection until we receive our New Bodies and are “ Just like Him”.....
Paul said that the Law was “ weak” in that it had “ NO POWER to Save”......The Gospel * DOES* have that Saving Power.....Believing the Gospel Saves a Soul, But does NIT make him Perfect while he is still in a Body Of Flesh —— we will know Perfection “ OVER THERE” ( Heaven)
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 7, 2022 23:57:46 GMT -8
Paul was knocked off his high horse- because he was wrong-persecuting Christians, something like yourself. Maybe God will give you a Damascus rd experience, opening your eyes. Then your zeal will be useful.
I have a Holy Spirit Given Natural Love for Christians.....I would never “ persecute” one......
Christian *Pretenders* like Religionists , Legalists, Leaven Spreaders , and flat- out Tares? Yeah—- “ Those” guys are going to be exposed and reprimanded using clear Bible Scripture with the hope that they will be Shamed out of here before they ruin the Newbies in the Faith...
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Post by civic on Sept 8, 2022 5:09:33 GMT -8
Please Keep in mind there is a vast difference between a friendly debate and a bitter war of words. Verbal assault, slander, accusation, and perverse speech have no place in the body of Christ (Colossians 3:8; 1 Peter 2:1; Ephesians 4:31). What must unbelievers think when they see Christians slinging verbal mud at each other over minor doctrinal differences? Thank you-I'll try to keep that in mind. Yea all of us need to keep that in mind  |
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Post by hansen on Sept 8, 2022 8:30:29 GMT -8
Paul was knocked off his high horse- because he was wrong-persecuting Christians, something like yourself. Maybe God will give you a Damascus rd experience, opening your eyes. Then your zeal will be useful. yeah, sounds like me—— I’m just like Paul before he got Saved.....I go around arresting and killing people because they have rejected Judaism and turned to Jesus for Salvation........Talk about “ grasping for straws” .......your stupid comparison makes me wonder if you have lost your mind... It's your opposition to the true gospel I'm speaking of-and the anger behind it. Zeal without knowledge. |
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 8, 2022 18:31:54 GMT -8
The gospel is about the forgiveness of sin and then the power of God to overcome sin in us as I enter fellowship with Him through faith.
Please make an official notice in here when that time comes that you “ overcome sin”.....then let me speak to your wife about it...( just for a little verification.... lol)
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 8, 2022 19:01:33 GMT -8
It's your opposition to the true gospel I'm speaking of-and the anger behind it. Zeal without knowledge. I preach the Gospel Of 1Cor15:1-4.....If “That” is not the “ true gospel”, please tell us all in here what that true gospel is.... As far as that “Anger” is concerned ? It’s called “ Righteous Anger”......I get angry when I see Religionists trying to steal a piece of the Glory that belongs only to Jesus.....It sickens me....It sickens God too.....It sickens God so much, He’ll damn you for it.... The “ True Gospel” is 100% what “God” has done for Lost Man....NOT what “you” have done for God——That way, Jesus gets *ALL* of the Credit and Glory for our Salvation and we get NONE—- just the way God wants it.... of course some ( like you?) on Judgement Day will be crying out “ Hey! We did this and we did that! Give us what we deserve!! And God will say to them , “Depart from Me— I Never knew you!”...... of course, you are familiar with those verses and you think it applies to somebody else—— it doesn’t .....it’s guys like you......All Of those who with their Dead Works try to ADD to what Christ Alone accomplished at the Cross......they tried to make themselves “ Co- Savior”.....to their misfortune, God would not have it.... If Anybody has a Doctrine” That in the end does not wind up giving Jesus ALL THE GLORY for their Salvation......they got the WRONG DOCTRINE...... ” Nothing of myself do I bring.....it’s ONLY to the Cross that I Cling”......If you don’t Believe That Old Hymn and sing it every Sunday like a Hypocrite , God would be pleased to see you just tear it out of your Hymnal......you can also tear out “ Nothing But The Blood” while you are at it......you sing that like a Hypocrite too... |
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 8, 2022 19:12:45 GMT -8
What is not debatable, ie, what is essentialThe gospel is essential but the gospel contains many different, diverse topics from salvation (Jn 3:16; Mark 16:16; Luke 13:3; etc) to worshipping God (Jn 4:23) to marriage divorce, remarriage (Matt 19:9) among other topics. All of these topics are essential to living a Christian life...Paul speaking about his own missionary work in taking the gospel to the world said " For I have not shunned to declare unto you "ALL" the counsel of God." (Acts 20:27). If a person or group has one of these topics wrong, then they are holding the gospel in error. All topics are essential, so the issue I have is who has been given authority from God to determine for me and others which topics are essential and which ones are not? No one has been given that type of authority. What one person/group may consider non-essential would be considered essential to myself and others. The Gospel ,That is, “The Good News” is very specific —- It is 1 Cor15:1-4 and Nothing Else....You can no more pluck out anything in the Bible and designate it “ The Gospel” than you can take any Sermon Of Jesus and call it “The Sermon on the Mount”...... |
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Post by michaiah on Sept 9, 2022 7:55:35 GMT -8
bloodbought1953 said: The good news is fully comprehended in the entire volume of the sacred writings. Not just in one book in one sentence. This is the folly of Dispensational Theology.
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