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Post by rickstudies on Sept 9, 2022 12:46:02 GMT -8
bloodbought1953 said: The good news is fully comprehended in the entire volume of the sacred writings. Not just in one book in one sentence. This is the folly of Dispensational Theology. Can you explain in more detail what you mean by that? |
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Post by michaiah on Sept 9, 2022 15:02:49 GMT -8
rickstudiesDispensational Theology causes one to wrongly divide scripture thereby causing one to come to faulty conclusions in doctrines. By this theology the false doctrines of ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED and PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE survive.
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Post by rickstudies on Sept 9, 2022 15:27:28 GMT -8
rickstudies Dispensational Theology causes one to wrongly divide scripture thereby causing one to come to faulty conclusions in doctrines. By this theology the false doctrines of ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED and PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE survive. The word dispensation only appears 4 times, exclussive to the epistles of Paul and it is just a fancy English word for the term Age. Paul refers to the present age as "Grace" and one of the references refers to a future age called the "Fulness of times". There is a tiny group who call themselves dispensationalists, they are very active on the internet as most false teachers are, but they use the term as a reason to disregard most of the Bible. The word isn`t the problem, it`s the false doctrine that is the problem. The fact that there are different ages should not become a reason to reject believers who accept the term because it is a doctrine of the gospel. There are no connections between an age and the modern doctrines OSAS and Pre-trib. Any such connection is contrived, not real. The ages/dispensations are established by the covenants God has made with man and are indictive of the periods of time these covenants have been in force. |
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Post by hansen on Sept 9, 2022 16:02:53 GMT -8
The gospel is about the forgiveness of sin and then the power of God to overcome sin in us as I enter fellowship with Him through faith. Please make an official notice in here when that time comes that you “ overcome sin”.....then let me speak to your wife about it...( just for a little verification.... lol) Not particularly original there since you probably got that idea about my wife from one of my own posts here, since I stated there that she certainly could tell you about my imperfections or unholiness-even tho she probably wouldn't, sweet thing that she is. So, then, I assume you mean to say that God can be mocked, that we don't reap what we sew (Gal 6:7)? That "sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like" will not keep us from inheriting the kingdom of God (Gal 5:19-21)? We don't have to wash our robes because we really aren't any different from those outside anyway: "the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood" Rev 22:14? |
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Post by rickstudies on Sept 9, 2022 16:50:14 GMT -8
The gospel is about the forgiveness of sin and then the power of God to overcome sin in us as I enter fellowship with Him through faith. Please make an official notice in here when that time comes that you “ overcome sin”.....then let me speak to your wife about it...( just for a little verification.... lol) Not particularly original there since you probably got that idea about my wife from one of my own posts here, since I stated there that she certainly could tell you about my imperfections or unholiness-even tho she probably wouldn't, sweet thing that she is. So, then, I assume you mean to say that God can be mocked, that we don't reap what we sew (Gal 6:7)? That "sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like" will not keep us from inheriting the kingdom of God (Gal 5:19-21)? Seems like a circular argument. On one hand the Holy Spirit gives us the power to overcome sin in our life and we must not let the flesh rule our minds but we all must deal with our own selfish desires, our disposition to sin and the inevitable fact that we will fall short at times and have failure to deal with. So I am suggesting that you both have the same advantage and same problems. He says glass half empty, you say glass half full maybe even completely full in your case  I dunno I think you`re a little shady. |
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Post by yacker on Sept 9, 2022 16:53:07 GMT -8
Paul told his followers in Galatians—— “,There are those that have come here to TROUBLE you”, and He is addressing those that “ started out so well”......Mich is an ‘ Accuser of the Brethren”——— Nothing more, nothing less.... Treat him like I do.....use him as a “Springboard” to get the True Gospel Of Grace out there for all the “ Babes In Christ” that have not yet been ruined by his “Accursed Gospel” Of Sinless Perfection....refer to Gal1:8 to see the eventual fate of these types......it ain’t pretty.... I read he doesn't even think Jesus is God, He thinks when "Thomas said my Lord and my God" He was just surprised and said it in a moment "of wonder" not meaning what he said, I have only heard muslims say that. it is a surprising he is allowed to do what he does when he is so against standard christian doctrines, but as with anyone that rejects Jesus they are not the brethren, and is just another cult member, Those that are Galatians 1:8 that preach a different Gospel, We are not even supposed to let them in our home I am keen to try your springboard approach but he didn't answer me, How did you two end up getting on so well, He has some doosies but what's his biggest problems we need to iron out, Let me guess grace, mercy, the cross, the blood atonement, Does he get really frightened when you mention "OSAS" things like that |
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Post by hansen on Sept 9, 2022 19:26:28 GMT -8
Not particularly original there since you probably got that idea about my wife from one of my own posts here, since I stated there that she certainly could tell you about my imperfections or unholiness-even tho she probably wouldn't, sweet thing that she is. So, then, I assume you mean to say that God can be mocked, that we don't reap what we sew (Gal 6:7)? That "sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like" will not keep us from inheriting the kingdom of God (Gal 5:19-21)? Seems like a circular argument. On one hand the Holy Spirit gives us the power to overcome sin in our life and we must not let the flesh rule our minds but we all must deal with our own selfish desires, our disposition to sin and the inevitable fact that we will fall short at times and have failure to deal with. So I am suggesting that you both have the same advantage and same problems. He says glass half empty, you say glass half full maybe even completely full in your case I dunno I think you`re a little shady. It's quite differnt. Man either must do his part, or else it's all done for him. Man is either involved in working out his salvation together with He who works in him, or he's not. Man must either pick up his cross and follow daily, or it's picked up for him. Man must either open the door when He knocks, or it's opened for him. Righteousness is given and assured to grow and increase if we remain in Him, cooperating with His work, or it's merely declared, with no righteous living necessary from us. Man is either still obligated under the new covenant to do the right thing, to refrain from sin, or he's not. Salvation is not a done deal until He meets us at the end and gives His just verdict-on how well we did with what we were given, on how well we invested our "talents". And remember what happened to the wicked and lazy servant who buried them. |
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Post by hansen on Sept 9, 2022 19:28:37 GMT -8
Paul was knocked off his high horse- because he was wrong-persecuting Christians, something like yourself. Maybe God will give you a Damascus rd experience, opening your eyes. Then your zeal will be useful. I have a Holy Spirit Given Natural Love for Christians.....I would never “ persecute” one...... Christian *Pretenders* like Religionists , Legalists, Leaven Spreaders , and flat- out Tares? Yeah—- “ Those” guys are going to be exposed and reprimanded using clear Bible Scripture with the hope that they will be Shamed out of here before they ruin the Newbies in the Faith... Yes, please go before that happens. You persecute Christians as you mutilate their gospel. |
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 9, 2022 19:43:14 GMT -8
Sorry, but you had nothing to do with my challenge....which simply proves that your claims of “ Sinless Perfection” are nothing but Hog - Wash......and she could verify it...
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 9, 2022 19:56:26 GMT -8
Paul told his followers in Galatians—— “,There are those that have come here to TROUBLE you”, and He is addressing those that “ started out so well”......Mich is an ‘ Accuser of the Brethren”——— Nothing more, nothing less.... Treat him like I do.....use him as a “Springboard” to get the True Gospel Of Grace out there for all the “ Babes In Christ” that have not yet been ruined by his “Accursed Gospel” Of Sinless Perfection....refer to Gal1:8 to see the eventual fate of these types......it ain’t pretty.... I read he doesn't even think Jesus is God, He thinks when "Thomas said my Lord and my God" He was just surprised and said it in a moment "of wonder" not meaning what he said, I have only heard Muslims say that. it is a surprising he is allowed to do what he does when he is so against standard christian doctrines, but as with anyone that rejects Jesus they are not the brethren, and is just another cult member, Those that are Galatians 1:8 that preach a different Gospel, We are not even supposed to let them in our home I am keen to try your springboard approach but he didn't answer me, How did you two end up getting on so well, He has some doosies but what's his biggest problems we need to iron out, Let me guess grace, mercy, the cross, the blood atonement, Does he get really frightened when you mention "OSAS" things like that Anybody can fall victim to False Teachings and become Confused and Mislead for a period of time.... It is up to God to fulfill His Promise to “ keep us Strong until the End and to present us Believers as BLAMELESS when we stand before Jesus”........ I don’t think that our “ friend” is a Saved Gospel Believer That has fallen for some “ Hokem”..... I think that he is a Flat-Out TARE.....he needs to be kicked out any Christian Forum , But short of that, he performs a useful function by being that “ Springboard” That I mentioned......we don’t need to engage in questions and answer with him..... as the Old Saying goes—- “ Give some people enough rope and they will hang themselves”.....we just need to be patient and use him while we can.... |
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Post by yacker on Sept 9, 2022 20:02:13 GMT -8
Salvation is not a done deal Have you been living under a rock, It was done about 2022 years ago, Check your birthdate it reminds you of the fact its been that long since Jesus died and became Saviour of the world |
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 9, 2022 20:02:36 GMT -8
Paul was knocked off his high horse- because he was wrong-persecuting Christians, something like yourself. Maybe God will give you a Damascus rd experience, opening your eyes. Then your zeal will be useful. I have a Holy Spirit Given Natural Love for Christians.....I would never “ persecute” one...... Christian *Pretenders* like Religionists , Legalists, Leaven Spreaders , and flat- out Tares? Yeah—- “ Those” guys are going to be exposed and reprimanded using clear Bible Scripture with the hope that they will be Shamed out of here before they ruin the Newbies in the Faith... Yes, please go before that happens. You persecute Christians as you mutilate their gospel. Zzzzzzz..... did you say something? I told EVERYBODY in here the Gospel That I fight for......it’s identical to the one that Paul received from Jesus and the one revealed in 1Cor 15:1-4...... still waitingbto hear what We are STILL waiting to hear what “ your” version of the Gospel is......what’s the problem? Are you having trouble Twisting Scripture ? Perhaps go to your buddy, Mich for some help.....he is a Master when it comes to Twisting Scripture... |
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Post by hansen on Sept 9, 2022 20:10:36 GMT -8
Salvation is not a done deal Have you been living under a rock, It was done about 2022 years ago, Check your birthdate it reminds you of the fact its been that long since Jesus died and became Saviour of the world Have you been living under a rock? Will all in the world be saved? |
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 9, 2022 20:11:14 GMT -8
bloodbought1953 said: The good news is fully comprehended in the entire volume of the sacred writings. Not just in one book in one sentence. This is the folly of Dispensational Theology. The Opinion That you express here is worth exactly what I paid for it —— Nothing. |
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Post by hansen on Sept 9, 2022 20:16:13 GMT -8
Yes, please go before that happens. You persecute Christians as you mutilate their gospel. Zzzzzzz..... did you say something? I told EVERYBODY in here the Gospel That I fight for......it’s identical to the one that Paul received from Jesus and the one revealed in 1Cor 15:1-4...... still waitingbto hear what We are STILL waiting to hear what “ your” version of the Gospel is......what’s the problem? Are you having trouble Twisting Scripture ? Perhaps go to your buddy, Mich for some help.....he is a Master when it comes to Twisting Scripture... You don't want to hear truth, or comprehend the plain meaning of Scripture as it's been understood since the beginning. You don't want to understand the gospel or the new covenant which has been clearly laid out for you on these forums in many places. You want to keep your head buried. You're not even interested in truth, and seeking it responsibily. You don't want to know the real God. |
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I dunno I think you`re a little shady.