yacker
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Post by yacker on Sept 9, 2022 20:16:26 GMT -8
Anybody can fall victim to False Teachings and become Confused and Mislead for a period of time.... It is up to God to fulfill His Promise to “ keep us Strong until the End and to present us Believers as BLAMELESS when we stand before Jesus”........ I don’t think that our “ friend” is a Saved Gospel Believer That has fallen for some “ Hokem”..... I think that he is a Flat-Out TARE.....he needs to be kicked out any Christian Forum , But short of that, he performs a useful function by being that “ Springboard” That I mentioned......we don’t need to engage in questions and answer with him..... as the Old Saying goes—- “ Give some people enough rope and they will hang themselves”.....we just need to be patient and use him while we can.... "He who begun a good work in you will complete it" And "Jesus the author and finisher of our faith" Safe as a Rock Eyes on Jesus or its like walking around with a veil over your head, banging into things and falling over, I think your right and if its the case they are really just trying to get you banned, probably so they can reach the weaker ones without interference, so be careful of that we need to get the real Gospel out there in spite of that |
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 9, 2022 20:18:41 GMT -8
So, then, I assume you mean to say that God can be mocked, that we don't reap what we sew (Gal 6:7)? That "sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like" will not keep us from inheriting the kingdom of God (Gal 5:19-21)? We don't have to wash our robes because we really aren't any different from those outside anyway: "the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood" Rev 22:14?
Once again.....taken out of context...as is EVERY verse that is used to argue against OSAS......either “ that” or the verses are not talking to Believers.....I’ll try to end your Confusion about this verse that you have Twisted in a few minutes...I got more important things to do at the moment —- my spice rack needs rearranging...lol...
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Post by yacker on Sept 9, 2022 20:20:44 GMT -8
Have you been living under a rock, It was done about 2022 years ago, Check your birthdate it reminds you of the fact its been that long since Jesus died and became Saviour of the world Have you been living under a rock? Will all in the world be saved?No only ones that put there faith in Jesus before they die, unbelievers go to hell, But the Gospel says that Jesus died for our sins, most people cant get past that part and want something at the end for trying to do something about their own sins |
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 9, 2022 20:21:53 GMT -8
Zzzzzzz..... did you say something? I told EVERYBODY in here the Gospel That I fight for......it’s identical to the one that Paul received from Jesus and the one revealed in 1Cor 15:1-4...... still waitingbto hear what We are STILL waiting to hear what “ your” version of the Gospel is......what’s the problem? Are you having trouble Twisting Scripture ? Perhaps go to your buddy, Mich for some help.....he is a Master when it comes to Twisting Scripture... You don't want to hear truth, or comprehend the plain meaning of Scripture as it's been understood since the beginning. You don't want to understand the gospel or the new covenant which has been clearly laid out for you on these forums in many places. You want to keep your head buried. You're not even interested in truth, and seeking it responsibily. You don't want to know the real God. Darn the Bad Luck! You completely nailed me! Lol.....the truth of the matter is that you would not “comprehend Scripture” if it came up and bit you on your , Er.....ahhh....Behind... |
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 9, 2022 20:26:51 GMT -8
Anybody can fall victim to False Teachings and become Confused and Mislead for a period of time.... It is up to God to fulfill His Promise to “ keep us Strong until the End and to present us Believers as BLAMELESS when we stand before Jesus”........ I don’t think that our “ friend” is a Saved Gospel Believer That has fallen for some “ Hokem”..... I think that he is a Flat-Out TARE.....he needs to be kicked out any Christian Forum , But short of that, he performs a useful function by being that “ Springboard” That I mentioned......we don’t need to engage in questions and answer with him..... as the Old Saying goes—- “ Give some people enough rope and they will hang themselves”.....we just need to be patient and use him while we can.... "He who begun a good work in you will complete it" And "Jesus the author and finisher of our faith" Safe as a Rock Eyes on Jesus or its like walking around with a veil over your head, banging into things and falling over, I think your right and if its the case they are really just trying to get you banned, probably so they can reach the weaker ones without interference, so be careful of that we need to get the real Gospel out there in spite of that I preach and fight for only Two Things in here—- The Gospel Found In 1Cor15:1-4 and “Nothing But The Blood” for our Salvation....If That gets me Banned, may God have Mercy on those that Ban me..... |
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Post by yacker on Sept 9, 2022 20:40:55 GMT -8
"He who begun a good work in you will complete it" And "Jesus the author and finisher of our faith" Safe as a Rock Eyes on Jesus or its like walking around with a veil over your head, banging into things and falling over, I think your right and if its the case they are really just trying to get you banned, probably so they can reach the weaker ones without interference, so be careful of that we need to get the real Gospel out there in spite of that I preach and fight for only Two Things in here—- The Gospel Found In 1Cor15:1-4 and “Nothing But The Blood” for our Salvation....If That gets me Banned, may God have Mercy on those that Ban me..... There's a song people sing in church "nothing but the blood" wonder if these people sing that song or rip it out of there hymn book I think I could simplify it a bit for you "Anyone that asks to be saved will be saved" Would you even go so far as to say you would even mention "hyper Grace" I reckon your like a pitbull on a poodle when it comes to leaven, Nice to see you |
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Post by hansen on Sept 9, 2022 20:41:34 GMT -8
You don't want to hear truth, or comprehend the plain meaning of Scripture as it's been understood since the beginning. You don't want to understand the gospel or the new covenant which has been clearly laid out for you on these forums in many places. You want to keep your head buried. You're not even interested in truth, and seeking it responsibily. You don't want to know the real God. Darn the Bad Luck! You completely nailed me! Lol.....the truth of the matter is that you would not “comprehend Scripture” if it came up and bit you on your , Er.....ahhh....Behind... I'll just say you're very immature in your understanduing of the faith-and heavily influenced by other priggish immature folk. You dont yet want to hear the parts of God's word- that interfere with your own. |
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Post by rickstudies on Sept 9, 2022 21:36:34 GMT -8
Seems like a circular argument. On one hand the Holy Spirit gives us the power to overcome sin in our life and we must not let the flesh rule our minds but we all must deal with our own selfish desires, our disposition to sin and the inevitable fact that we will fall short at times and have failure to deal with. So I am suggesting that you both have the same advantage and same problems. He says glass half empty, you say glass half full maybe even completely full in your case  I dunno I think you`re a little shady. It's quite differnt. Man either must do his part, or else it's all done for him. Man is either involved in working out his salvation together with He who works in him, or he's not. Man must either pick up his cross and follow daily, or it's picked up for him. Man must either open the door when He knocks, or it's opened for him. Righteousness is given and assured to grow and increase if we remain in Him, cooperating with His work, or it's merely declared, with no righteous living necessary from us. Man is either still obligated under the new covenant to do the right thing, to refrain from sin, or he's not. Salvation is not a done deal until He meets us at the end and gives His just verdict-on how well we did with what we were given, on how well we invested our "talents". And remember what happened to the wicked and lazy servant who buried them. The problem with your way of thinking is this, man cannot do anything to save himself, thats why salvation is a gift not a work. However, man is capable of ensuring his own condemnation. That being the case its not an either/or type of situation. We need a Savior because we can`t do it which makes the idea that we can help Jesus save us mistaken. Jesus can help us avoid ship wrecking our salvation but we cannot help Him save us becauase He alone made the provision when He died for us. Per Romans 5:8 we were sinners when He died for us and helpless to assist in our salvation. By the time we get around to doing anything good it`s a done deal and what we do wouldn`t be enough to save ourselves anyway. And how do I know it`s a DONE DEAL ? Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: Very simple, the Holy Spirit within our heart gives us the witness. The Holy Spirit turns us away from sin. Perfect love casts out my fear and I am not concerned. My sin has already been dealt with. |
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Post by hansen on Sept 9, 2022 22:15:27 GMT -8
It's quite differnt. Man either must do his part, or else it's all done for him. Man is either involved in working out his salvation together with He who works in him, or he's not. Man must either pick up his cross and follow daily, or it's picked up for him. Man must either open the door when He knocks, or it's opened for him. Righteousness is given and assured to grow and increase if we remain in Him, cooperating with His work, or it's merely declared, with no righteous living necessary from us. Man is either still obligated under the new covenant to do the right thing, to refrain from sin, or he's not. Salvation is not a done deal until He meets us at the end and gives His just verdict-on how well we did with what we were given, on how well we invested our "talents". And remember what happened to the wicked and lazy servant who buried them. The problem with your way of thinking is this, man cannot do anything to save himself, thats why salvation is a gift not a work. However, man is capable of ensuring his own condemnation. That being the case its not an either/or type of situation. We need a Savior because we can`t do it which makes the idea that we can help Jesus save us mistaken. Jesus can help us avoid ship wrecking our salvation but we cannot help Him save us becauase He alone made the provision when He died for us. Per Romans 5:8 we were sinners when He died for us and helpless to assist in our salvation. By the time we get around to doing anything good it`s a done deal and what we do wouldn`t be enough to save ourselves anyway. And how do I know it`s a DONE DEAL ? Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: Very simple, the Holy Spirit within our heart gives us the witness. The Holy Spirit turns us away from sin. Perfect love casts out my fear and I am not concerned. My sin has already been dealt with. And the Spirit bears witness to me that its not a done deal-along with His words in Scripture saying the same. You have to blind yourself to not SEE it. It's not that we can do it without Him. I have maintained over and over again here that we cannot. It's that we can still resist Him; we can still say no to Him, resisting grace, either at the beginning or later on, returning to the flesh. And Scripture is clear about that. And NO ONE can predict their own perseverance for that matter. Man cannot save himself-but he can refuse to be saved, or jump ship at any point along the way. And how he lives his life, how he comports himself in terms of morality with the help of grace, will most certainly affect where he ends up. As the church of God can wisely and succintly teach, quoting a 16th century believer, "At the evening of life we shall be judged on our love." Agape, available only by virtue of union with God, that's the true measure of man's justice or righteousness or holiness. But when you remove that obligation for man to be righteous, for him to be a morally responsbile being in order to be saved, and pit faith against that obligation as if they opposed each other, then you've gutted the whole gospel of it's meaning and purpose and ended up calling right wrong and wrong right for all practical purposes, as per Is 5:20. |
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Post by rickstudies on Sept 9, 2022 22:57:42 GMT -8
The problem with your way of thinking is this, man cannot do anything to save himself, thats why salvation is a gift not a work. However, man is capable of ensuring his own condemnation. That being the case its not an either/or type of situation. We need a Savior because we can`t do it which makes the idea that we can help Jesus save us mistaken. Jesus can help us avoid ship wrecking our salvation but we cannot help Him save us becauase He alone made the provision when He died for us. Per Romans 5:8 we were sinners when He died for us and helpless to assist in our salvation. By the time we get around to doing anything good it`s a done deal and what we do wouldn`t be enough to save ourselves anyway. And how do I know it`s a DONE DEAL ? Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: Very simple, the Holy Spirit within our heart gives us the witness. The Holy Spirit turns us away from sin. Perfect love casts out my fear and I am not concerned. My sin has already been dealt with. And the Spirit bears witness to me that its not a done deal-along with His words in Scripture saying the same. You have to blind yourself to not SEE it. It's not that we can do it without Him. I have maintained over and over again here that we cannot. It's that we can still resist Him; we can still say no to Him and return to the flesh. And Scripture is clear about that. And NO ONE can predict their own perseverance for that matter. You didn`t back yourself with scripture. The sign on the wall says Berean Apologetics. Means you reference scripture here. Peter didn`t share your opinion. Should I believe Peter or you? 2 Peter 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:Neither does Paul share your opinion Romans 8 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. 31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Nor does Jesus share your opinion John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.It`s not real complicated until you pollute your mind with things written after the first century. |
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Post by michaiah on Sept 10, 2022 2:32:23 GMT -8
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Post by michaiah on Sept 10, 2022 2:43:52 GMT -8
bloodbought1953 said So sad that you actually believe this baloney. The fall began with Satan reasoning Eve into disobedience. It’s a shame you cannot recognize his tactics in your very writings.
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 11, 2022 3:30:19 GMT -8
I preach and fight for only Two Things in here—- The Gospel Found In 1Cor15:1-4 and “Nothing But The Blood” for our Salvation....If That gets me Banned, may God have Mercy on those that Ban me..... There's a song people sing in church "nothing but the blood" wonder if these people sing that song or rip it out of there hymn book I think I could simplify it a bit for you "Anyone that asks to be saved will be saved" Would you even go so far as to say you would even mention "hyper Grace" I reckon your like a pitbull on a poodle when it comes to leaven, Nice to see you For Many years now I have used Romans 10:13 ( “ Anybody that asks to be Saved , WILL be Saved” ) as a Bed- Rock Verse to try to give Assurance to those that fall victim to “False and Perverted” Works Gospels That they get exposed to in these Forums and in their Religious Social Clubs That they call “ Churches”..... nice to have somebody else that is on “ the same page”.... Many times I have advised these Tares and Religionists in here and in other places That If they wanted to make God Happy they should tear out ,any songs from their hymnals—- “Nothing But The Blood” being foremost.... I take serious offense with those that accuse me off “ Hyper- Grace!!” .......They get it all wrong—— It’s ** SUPER** Hyper Grace......I wish people would get it straight..... Thank you for your kind post....It’s a Pleasure to see you too! God has blessed you.....may He continue to do so! Thanks for supporting me as I plunder along and try to fight the Good Fight —- That “ Fight “ Being “JESUS SAVES”, With NO “ BUTS” attached.......it’s “ JESUS SAVES”. PERIOD. Again— God Bless you, Brother... |
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 11, 2022 3:43:01 GMT -8
Darn the Bad Luck! You completely nailed me! Lol.....the truth of the matter is that you would not “comprehend Scripture” if it came up and bit you on your , Er.....ahhh....Behind... I'll just say you're very immature in your understanduing of the faith-and heavily influenced by other priggish immature folk. You dont yet want to hear the parts of God's word- that interfere with your own. And I would say the same words to you....so now what? I have managed to use Scripture to refute and “ Untwist” every Verse and “doctrine” that you have Perverted......All I can do now is pray to God that unlike you, God will grant “ ears to hear” to those that visit here and especially the “Newbies” to the Faith who have yet to be ruined by you Religionists and Legalists....I have presented the Truth 0f Paul’s Gospel That Saves if merely Believed , now it is up to God to “Open Their Hearts” to the Reception Of it.....( 1Cor15:1-4) |
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Post by Parker on Sept 11, 2022 4:38:19 GMT -8
Fortunately, believing you can or cannot lose your salvation does not affect your salvation. That is, your salvation is dependent upon accepting Jesus as Savior, trusting in His sin sacrifice, and looking to no one and nothing else. Fortunately, your salvation isn’t dependent upon whether or not you think it is possible to lose your salvation.
But if you think you can lose your salvation then you don't realize how save you really are.
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I dunno I think you`re a little shady.
