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Post by civic on Sept 11, 2022 5:12:53 GMT -8
Fortunately, believing you can or cannot lose your salvation does not affect your salvation. That is, your salvation is dependent upon accepting Jesus as Savior, trusting in His sin sacrifice, and looking to no one and nothing else. Fortunately, your salvation isn’t dependent upon whether or not you think it is possible to lose your salvation. But if you think you can lose your salvation then you don't realize how save you really are. I also do not think its a hill to die on personally. Do I personally believe I can or will lose my own salvation? no My walk with the Lord over the past 4 decades and seeing the faithfulness of God over those years, answered prayer and that I thing about Jesus when I wake up, throughout the day and when I go to bed gives me assurance that this will continue until the Lord calls me home and I finish the race. I have gone through many disappointing and faith shaking things/events in my life but in those have always leaned on Christ through them. I just don't see myself losing faith in Him as it has continued to grow stronger and stronger over the years. I cannot speak for others but this is my experience with Christ. I rest, abide and continue in Him. I have known nothing different in my life. And when I'm unfaithful I'm instantly convicted, repent and turn back to the Rock of my salvation- Jesus Christ. My love for Him always grows just like it does with my wife, children and grandchildren. Its how relationships work. The more time you spend with them the more you know them, love them, appreciate them etc..... Enough rambling for now but I just wanted to share what came to my mind as I was reading a few post in this thread this morning. FYI- its not easy to get banned here and as long as we can respect those we disagree with no one has anything to worry about. Also I'm not 100% sure all those warning passages written to believers in various passages do not apply to us today. Maybe there is a possibility of losing ones salvation and maybe there is not. But the warning passages should have a sobering effect upon everyone who reads them to be right with the Lord. hope this helps !!! |
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Post by Parker on Sept 11, 2022 6:19:45 GMT -8
Fortunately, believing you can or cannot lose your salvation does not affect your salvation. That is, your salvation is dependent upon accepting Jesus as Savior, trusting in His sin sacrifice, and looking to no one and nothing else. Fortunately, your salvation isn’t dependent upon whether or not you think it is possible to lose your salvation. But if you think you can lose your salvation then you don't realize how save you really are. I also do not think its a hill to die on personally. Do I personally believe I can or will lose my own salvation? no My walk with the Lord over the past 4 decades and seeing the faithfulness of God over those years, answered prayer and that I thing about Jesus when I wake up, throughout the day and when I go to bed gives me assurance that this will continue until the Lord calls me home and I finish the race. I have gone through many disappointing and faith shaking things/events in my life but in those have always leaned on Christ through them. I just don't see myself losing faith in Him as it has continued to grow stronger and stronger over the years. I cannot speak for others but this is my experience with Christ. I rest, abide and continue in Him. I have known nothing different in my life. And when I'm unfaithful I'm instantly convicted, repent and turn back to the Rock of my salvation- Jesus Christ. My love for Him always grows just like it does with my wife, children and grandchildren. Its how relationships work. The more time you spend with them the more you know them, love them, appreciate them etc..... Enough rambling for now but I just wanted to share what came to my mind as I was reading a few post in this thread this morning. FYI- its not easy to get banned here and as long as we can respect those we disagree with no one has anything to worry about. Also I'm not 100% sure all those warning passages written to believers in various passages do not apply to us today. Maybe there is a possibility of losing ones salvation and maybe there is not. But the warning passages should have a sobering effect upon everyone who reads them to be right with the Lord. hope this helps !!! Here is one we all should know that the apostle John emphasizes in his epistle that he wants every believer to “know that you have eternal life” 1 John 5:13. Because the apostle is certain of the believer’s final perseverance into glory, he emphasizes that we can now have confidence in the day of judgment: “And we have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us." God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. By this, love is perfected with us, that we may have confidence in the day of judgment; because as He is, so also are we in this world. There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love”. Jesus said this about some of His disciples. "For Jesus knew from the beginning who did not believe, and who would betray Him." John 6:64 You are safe in the loving arms of Jesus, you rest, abide and continue in Him. Why would you stop. Where would you go?Peter’s Confession of Faith
John 6:66 As a result of this many of His disciples abandoned Him, and no longer walked with Him. 67. So Jesus said to the twelve [disciples], “You do not want to leave too, do you?” 68. Simon Peter answered, “ Lord, to whom shall we go? You [alone] have the words of eternal life [you are our only hope]. 69We have believed and confidently trusted, and [even more] we have come to know [by personal observation and experience] that You are the Holy One of God [the Christ, the Son of the living God].” Assuming we can lose our salvation at some point in the future, how would it be possible that years before this we could have had such confidence concerning the day of judgment? It would not be possible. If the apostle John tells us that we do have such confidence now, as a present possession, this must imply that we cannot lose our salvation in the future. If we understand the infinite love of God for us, we will understand that God will never eternally punish us. Indeed, He can never punish us eternally because Jesus took all our punishment on the cross. We know how much God loves us because we have felt his love and because we believe him when he tells us that he loves us dearly.... And as we live with Christ, our love grows more perfect and complete; so we will not be ashamed and embarrassed at the day of judgment, but can face him with confidence and joy, because he loves us and we love him too. We need have no fear of someone who loves us perfectly; his perfect love for us eliminates all dread of what he might do to us. If we are afraid, it is for fear of what he might do to us and shows that we are not fully convinced that he really loves us”. 1 John 4:16-18 What these verses teach us is that those who still fear eternal punishment from the God who has loved them eternally don’t yet understand the magnitude of the love God has for them. |
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Post by makesends on Sept 11, 2022 6:48:44 GMT -8
Is this "top controversial topics list" about OSAS or other things posters might be interested in discussing? How would I start my own thread under this heading? I'm not at all computer or online format savvy. Also, how can I know that someone has responded to something I said, without going through pages looking for what I said? Is there some way to be alerted and to click directly to the spot? You go to start of this Board your in now "In the Christian faith, what issues are truly worth debating?" click on "Create Theard" post your OP/ Original Topic, And when you get a reply There will be a notification In your profile under messages. If you have any problem please let me know. thanks |
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Post by Theophilus on Sept 11, 2022 8:35:41 GMT -8
What is truly remarkable is this: Given the importance of the issue, nowhere in Scripture are there teachings and instructions specifically stated that one would expect must be stated in order to safeguard against the possibility of loss of salvation or the reinstatement of salvation among believers.
Assuming that Christians can lose their salvation, how often on the whole does the average Christian do so? Once in his lifetime? Five or ten times? Five hundred times? Where is the specific line drawn that causes a believer to lose his salvation? Why is not this “vital demarcation” point clearly defined and discussed in Scripture?
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 11, 2022 21:18:06 GMT -8
As the church of God can wisely and succintly teach, quoting a 16th century believer, "At the evening of life we shall be judged on our love." Agape, available only by virtue of union with God, that's the true measure of man's justice or righteousness or holiness.
Well, one can listen to your “ 16ty Century Believer” or one can listen to Paul......Love is what Christianity is all about ,but we are ALL going to be JUDGED by “ Paul’s Gospel”.......Are you “ RESTING “ in it, or “ ADDING” to it......God said in Hebrews that if you are not Resting in the Gospel you are Guilty Of Disobedience and Unbelief.....
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 11, 2022 22:30:11 GMT -8
Fortunately, believing you can or cannot lose your salvation does not affect your salvation. That is, your salvation is dependent upon accepting Jesus as Savior, trusting in His sin sacrifice, and looking to no one and nothing else. Fortunately, your salvation isn’t dependent upon whether or not you think it is possible to lose your salvation. But if you think you can lose your salvation then you don't realize how save you really are. If one is “TRULY TRUSTING” as you Rightly say is Essential,to Salvation, why would they think they could lose their Salvation? The Answer? They ain’t. Those that “TRULY TRUST” don’t “ hedge their bets” with their Performance......Faith is “Letting go and letting God” ......their “Faith “ is ultimately in themselves, let’s face it.... |
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 11, 2022 22:35:56 GMT -8
What is truly remarkable is this: Given the importance of the issue, nowhere in Scripture are there teachings and instructions specifically stated that one would expect must be stated in order to safeguard against the possibility of loss of salvation or the reinstatement of salvation among believers. Assuming that Christians can lose their salvation, how often on the whole does the average Christian do so? Once in his lifetime? Five or ten times? Five hundred times? Where is the specific line drawn that causes a believer to lose his salvation? Why is not this “vital demarcation” point clearly defined and discussed in Scripture? Nobody can be Perfect .....it’s based on percentages....one must be 51% “ Perfect” to qualify for Heaven ....you see, that puts you over the Half- Way Point and is therefore “ good enough” to get the job done...... You want Chapter and Verse? Very well—- Er....ahhh.....It’s Somewhere in the Back.......I think. |
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 11, 2022 22:45:27 GMT -8
Man cannot save himself-but he can refuse to be saved, or jump ship at any point along the way.
If a Sealed and Saved man can “ jump ship” after he puts his Trust in Jesus to Save him, that would make Jesus a Liar ————Jesus said that “NOTHING in the Created Universe” could get you out of His Grasp....”NOTHING” would include “Ship Jumpers”......If you can ‘ escape” His Grasp, you were never in it t begin with....
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 11, 2022 22:51:56 GMT -8
bloodbought1953 said So sad that you actually believe this baloney. The fall began with Satan reasoning Eve into disobedience. It’s a shame you cannot recognize his tactics in your very writings. Obviously its easier to remain in your Ignorance than it is to be a True Berean and try to check out the Veracity of what I am saying....I’ve checked out Both Sides.... you haven’t and please don’t claim that you have....What I have said is the first time you heard it... |
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 11, 2022 23:07:01 GMT -8
Do I personally believe I can or will lose my own salvation? no
My walk with the Lord over the past 4 decades and seeing the faithfulness of God over those years, answered prayer and that I thing about Jesus when I wake up, throughout the day and when I go to bed gives me assurance that this will continue until the Lord calls me home and I finish the race. I have gone through many disappointing and faith shaking things/events in my life but in those have always leaned on Christ through them. I just don't see myself losing faith in Him as it has continued to grow stronger and stronger over the years.
I cannot speak for others but this is my experience with Christ. I rest, abide and continue in Him. I have known nothing different in my life. And when I'm unfaithful I'm instantly convicted, repent and turn back to the Rock of my salvation- Jesus Christ. My love for Him always grows just like it does with my wife, children and grandchildren. Its how relationships work. The more time you spend with them the more you know them, love them, appreciate them etc.....
My Experience has been EXACTLY the same.....The Things of God are on my mind from the second I wake up until the second I fall asleep....I think we must be doing at least “ Something” right! Lol.....
I think it has it’s “Roots” in the Holy Spirit and that “ Pray without ceasing” thingy.....The Religionists sets aside a “ certain time and place” and has to force himself to pray ( I never understood that) most of the time out of a sense of “obligation” ....... with me it's more like an all- day, never ending conversation with a “ Best Friend” , who just happens to be REAL Smart! Lol.....I’m sure you know what I am talking about......we have been wonderfully blessed....
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Post by civic on Sept 12, 2022 4:49:27 GMT -8
My Experience has been EXACTLY the same.....The Things of God are on my mind from the second I wake up until the second I fall asleep....I think we must be doing at least “ Something” right! Lol..... I think it has it’s “Roots” in the Holy Spirit and that “ Pray without ceasing” thingy.....The Religionists sets aside a “ certain time and place” and has to force himself to pray ( I never understood that) most of the time out of a sense of “obligation” ....... with me it's more like an all- day, never ending conversation with a “ Best Friend” , who just happens to be REAL Smart! Lol.....I’m sure you know what I am talking about......we have been wonderfully blessed.... Amen |
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Post by michaiah on Sept 12, 2022 9:11:16 GMT -8
bloodbought1953 said That’s an incredible pretentious post. I have been reading the Bible 3-4 times a year and I thoroughly know the truth. I can see a false doctrine a mile away. I knew ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED was a lie the second I heard a loud mouth preacher spewing it out from the pulpit! Utter fantasy that suits sinful carnal men.
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Post by rickstudies on Sept 12, 2022 16:08:38 GMT -8
bloodbought1953 said That’s an incredible pretentious post. I have been reading the Bible 3-4 times a year and I thoroughly know the truth. I can see a false doctrine a mile away. I knew ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED was a lie the second I heard a loud mouth preacher spewing it out from the pulpit! Utter fantasy that suits sinful carnal men. Ok, so how do you see salvation? What does a believer have to do to be safe? |
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Post by michaiah on Sept 12, 2022 16:36:34 GMT -8
rickstudiesI see salvation the way it’s presented in the Bible. “And you… hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel,” (Colossians 1:21-23)
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Post by rickstudies on Sept 12, 2022 16:52:48 GMT -8
rickstudies I see salvation the way it’s presented in the Bible. “And you… hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel,” (Colossians 1:21-23) The Arminian position is that you have to endure and remain in Christ to have the security promised by the gospel. There are quite a few Arminians here and most likely the majority view is the one you are presenting with your passage. |
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