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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 12, 2022 18:56:59 GMT -8
Utter fantasy that suits sinful carnal men.
So it seems to those that reject Grace.....they reject it because they fail to understand it.....they fail to understand it because it has never been extended to them....it has never been extended to them because they don’t Rest in the Gospel.....they don’t really Believe the first part of it.....that part where it says that “ Jesus died for their Sins”..... The “ Good News” is too good for them to accept....
btw.....YOU are ALSO a “ Sinful, carnal man”—— what’s YOUR Solution to the Sin Problem? Try Harder to keep the Law? The Law That can Never Justify ?
God’s Solution was to take your sins ....put them on the Cross and Forget about them ( “Your Sins I will Remember No More “) ....You want to take those sins OFF of the Cross....I ain’t buying it—— neither is God....
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 12, 2022 19:18:23 GMT -8
rickstudies I see salvation the way it’s presented in the Bible. “And you… hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel,” (Colossians 1:21-23) Q I love the OSAS (once saved, always saved) view but it would seem that Paul’s statement in Colossians 1:21-23 is a proof-text against the notion that it is impossible to forfeit your own salvation through disbelief. It seems that there is no way to tie this statement of Paul’s to rewards rather than to salvation. Can you help here? A Here’s Colossians 1:21-23. “Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation– if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel.” Taken by itself you could read this as a conditional statement. But for that to be correct, Paul would have to be contradicting clear statements he made confirming OSAS in other places. Some of these are Romans 8:38-39, Ephesians 1:13-14, and 2 Cor 1:21-22. Since his writings were inspired by the Holy Spirit (2 Tim. 3:16), this would not be possible. So what is Colossians 1:21-23 really saying? The Greek word translated if in Col 1:23 is eige. It doesn’t have a direct equivalent in English. According to my concordance the word since and the phrase inasmuch as come close. We give the word “if” that kind of certainty when we make an if/then statement. For example, suppose I say, “If gravity exists, then by jumping off a building you will fall to the ground.” Does my use of the word “if” imply that gravity is conditional? Or, am I really saying, “Since gravity exists, then by jumping off a building you will fall to the ground.” See what I mean? Substituting “since” for “if” removes any possibility of Colossians 1:21-23 contradicting Paul’s other statements. |
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Post by michaiah on Sept 13, 2022 13:09:57 GMT -8
“And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel” (Colossians 1:21-23) bloodbought1953 said There’s no contradiction. All the promises of eternal salvation are conditional. But according to the false doctrine of ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED there can be no conditions. So all methods are employed to get rid of the conditions. |
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Post by hansen on Sept 13, 2022 23:35:42 GMT -8
Fortunately, believing you can or cannot lose your salvation does not affect your salvation. That is, your salvation is dependent upon accepting Jesus as Savior, trusting in His sin sacrifice, and looking to no one and nothing else. Fortunately, your salvation isn’t dependent upon whether or not you think it is possible to lose your salvation. But if you think you can lose your salvation then you don't realize how save you really are. If one is “TRULY TRUSTING” as you Rightly say is Essential,to Salvation, why would they think they could lose their Salvation? The Answer? They ain’t. Those that “TRULY TRUST” don’t “ hedge their bets” with their Performance......Faith is “Letting go and letting God” ......their “Faith “ is ultimately in themselves, let’s face it.... If the 16th century believer states truth- that aligns with Paul and the whole Church of Christ since the beginning, then why should I believe your words over his? And Paul agrees: "...if I have a faith that can move mountains but have not love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 13:2 And Augustine would later echo this in his own words: "Without love faith may indeed exist, but avails nothing."The new covenant isn't complicated. It's about human beings becoming united with and subjugated to God in a realtionship based on faith, hope, and, ultimately and most importantly, love- virtues that define righteousness for man- and to the extent that we remain within that relationship and expressing and growing in that holiness which comes only by virtue of fellowship with Him we will be saved. "But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life." Rom 6:22 |
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Post by eternallygrateful on Sept 14, 2022 8:31:52 GMT -8
even if he had historical perspectives. apart from scripture. It is meaningless. The people in power write history.. they also delete history if it does not support them And people also ignore history, ignore truth, to their own demise. when history and the word of God contradict. I must chose the word of God. It the Jews did this, they would never have crucified Christ.. God would have found another way for him to suffer death.. But their hearts were hard. seeing they could not see. and hearing they could not hear.. |
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 15, 2022 1:16:21 GMT -8
“And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel” (Colossians 1:21-23) bloodbought1953 said There’s no contradiction. All the promises of eternal salvation are conditional. But according to the false doctrine of ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED there can be no conditions. So all methods are employed to get rid of the conditions. I think that you might be on to something.....Jesus said That if you simply *BELIEVED* in Him, as “ The One That God Sent”, at that point you “ Already “HAVE” Eternal Life” and “ NOTHING” can ever put you under Condemnation..........So right there you have a “ Condition” ......What is it ? BELIEVE. God has another Promise..... “ Anybody that “ASKS” to be Saved WILL BE Saved” ......So, once again ya got another “ Condition” —- you gotta “ASK”........ Paul said that if you BELIEVE his Gospel ( Given to Him by Jesus) that Jesus died for your sins and rise from the grave on the third day, you would be Saved.......once again, there is a “ Condition”—— you gotta BELIEVE that what Paul said was True,.. So, technically speaking , there ARE “Conditions” ......even the dying , snake bitten Hebrews in the Desert had to “ Look” at the Bronze Serpent...... ” looking”.....”asking”.....”Believing”......... God sure has stringent “ conditions” , doesn’t He ? So, strictly speaking you are correct...I stand corrected.... |
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Post by Aeliana on Apr 7, 2023 9:23:27 GMT -8
I think that you might be on to something.....Jesus said That if you simply *BELIEVED* in Him, as “ The One That God Sent”, at that point you “ Already “HAVE” Eternal Life” and “ NOTHING” can ever put you under Condemnation..........So right there you have a “ Condition” ......What is it ? BELIEVE. God has another Promise..... “ Anybody that “ASKS” to be Saved WILL BE Saved” ......So, once again ya got another “ Condition” —- you gotta “ASK”........ Paul said that if you BELIEVE his Gospel ( Given to Him by Jesus) that Jesus died for your sins and rise from the grave on the third day, you would be Saved.......once again, there is a “ Condition”—— you gotta BELIEVE that what Paul said was True,.. So, technically speaking , there ARE “Conditions” ......even the dying , snake bitten Hebrews in the Desert had to “ Look” at the Bronze Serpent...... ” looking”.....”asking”.....”Believing”......... God sure has stringent “ conditions” , doesn’t He ? So, strictly speaking you are correct...I stand corrected.... There are all sorts of conditions that must be met for someone to be saved. Chief among them is that we must have faith in Christ. Justification is by faith. Faith is a necessary requirement. Faith implies knowing about the gospel, which has to be preached by someone, someone who is authorized or sent with a commission to do so. Paul Explains this clearly in Romans 10:14 |
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Post by e v e on Apr 7, 2023 12:14:57 GMT -8
“Once saved, always saved". I don't get all hot under the collar if any Brother in Christ does not hold to my believe on this topic.  When we spin our spiritual wheels then Satan is a happy camper. He has great joy every time we believe we aren’t saved. For a short while, I questioned my salvation. I learned later; a lot of people go through seasons where they do. I examined my heart and knew it belonged to God. How did I know that? He’s always on my mind. Turning to my Beloved is something I do routinely. The Holy Spirit tells me I’m His child. That settled the issue for me. The key I believe to holding on to your assurance of salvation Is to Abide in Jesus. Jesus said, “Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me” (John 15:4). Have a constant abiding in Christ means to have a living relationship with Him. Gal. 2:20 “I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless, I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.” By faith Paul was crucified at his conversion, crucified in the flesh, died to the old life with Christ. Now he lives, or rather, Christ lives in him. The old life is laid aside, and the new life is a Christlike life, due to the spirit of Christ. He is now merged in Christ. That means we must also be in daily connection with Jesus Christ and must live our life in Him... a living sacrifice. for me i will be rescued when He gets us out of here and we are restored to our eden paradise which Christ made possible |
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Post by Theophilus on Apr 7, 2023 13:07:56 GMT -8
for me i will be rescued when He gets us out of here and we are restored to our eden paradise which Christ made possible So you have Eternal Security, it's a good thing. You've been rescued from sin and death. It doesn't get any better than that. Because it means that we will be restored to our eden paradise. A new heaven and a new earth. If our salvation hinges on anything but the finished work of Christ on the cross, we are in trouble. Or, at best, we run the risk of being in trouble. If you and I have any part in maintaining our salvation, it will be difficult to live with much assurance. Hope, yes; assurance, no. Yet John wrote an entire epistle to assure a group of people, people he was not even around to observe, that they were in fact saved: These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life. —1 John 5:13 A friend of mine was explaining his belief in eternal security to me the other day. He quoted first John 5:13 and told me eternal life is just that... it's eternal. It's not here today and then gone tomorrow. Salvation is a gift, God doesn't give us a gift and then take it back. We're adopted into his family, and it would go against God's nature Un Adopt us. |
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Post by e v e on Apr 8, 2023 20:24:07 GMT -8
like i said, i wait to be rescued soon
when christ returns and He gets us out
of here at the Change...
when all His sons and daughters will be
restored to our paradise
that to me is being saved
..our transfiguration to paradise
i don't know about phrases He doesn't use
so i can't comment on that
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Post by e v e on Apr 8, 2023 20:30:51 GMT -8
paul laments so much this fleshbody
and longs for the change
(of us in this time now)
that in a twinkling His ones will be free
and restored to God in heaven
which is what exodus is about...
our leaving egypt
...a foreign land
soon
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Post by e v e on Apr 8, 2023 20:35:42 GMT -8
not so much adopted though
He is my first love
and I wait expectantly
to be with Him in paradise again
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Post by e v e on Apr 8, 2023 20:42:38 GMT -8
He s returning to get us out of here...
just as scripture says...
but what's so horrible for some is that
then tribulation begins...
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Post by Bronson on Apr 20, 2023 12:48:34 GMT -8
He s returning to get us out of here... just as scripture says... but what's so horrible for some is that then tribulation begins... Right the “pretrib” view holds that before the seven-year tribulation, true believers from the church age will be “caught up” from earth to heaven and therefore be saved from God’s wrath during the tribulation. Then we, the living ones who remain [on the earth], shall simultaneously be caught up along with [the resurrected dead] in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so always (through the eternity of the eternities) we shall be with the Lord! 18 Therefore comfort and encourage one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:17–18 There are many reasons to believe in a pre-tribulation Rapture. For example, did you ever notice that the word church appears nineteen times in Revelation 1–3? But from Revelation 4 on, which describes the Tribulation, there is no further reference to the Church on earth. Because the Church is out of here. John never mentions the Church’s presence anywhere but in heaven. It would seem logical that if we were going to have to experience this terrifying time of trial and tribulation on earth, the Lord would have included some reference to it. Another indication that the Church is in heaven during the Tribulation is the description of the twenty-four seats around the throne of God found in Revelation 4. Many Bible scholars believe the twenty-four elders represent the Church, which is, therefore, in heaven as the Tribulation begins on earth. Paul taught that the Day of the Lord will not happen until “the one who now holds [lawlessness] back” is taken away (2 Thessalonians 2:7). This refers to the Holy Spirit, who indwells the Church. But as long as the Church is on earth, the Holy Spirit must be present. Finally, in his vision, John saw Christ coming to earth at the end of the Tribulation. He was accompanied by “the armies of heaven”—also a reference to the Church (Revelation 19:14). I believe the Rapture and the Second Coming are separated by the seven-year Tribulation. At the Rapture, Christ comes for His Bride, celebrates the “wedding of the Lamb” with her in heaven during the Tribulation (Rev. 19:7), and then returns with her to earth at His Second Coming. The purpose of the Rapture, then, is to remove the Church from earth before the wrath of God is unleashed. In 1 Thessalonians 4:17, we have God’s promise that the dead in Christ and those still living at the time, will be “caught up together . . . to meet the Lord in the air.” These are such words of comfort for all believers. |
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Post by e v e on Apr 21, 2023 12:28:37 GMT -8
rather it's that a small group a
remnant of jacob the 144k can hear Him and understood prophets...
who will meet christ on the clouds and
have their Change....
but much of jacob , believers, will be left behind...
as prophets tell...
the remnant will return here with christ and comfort jacob
and witness to him
and His souls left behind will understand
and yes of course after death
go to paradise
and be restored to their original body
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