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Post by gomer on Sept 7, 2022 8:32:39 GMT -8
What is not debatable, ie, what is essential
The gospel is essential but the gospel contains many different, diverse topics from salvation (Jn 3:16; Mark 16:16; Luke 13:3; etc) to worshipping God (Jn 4:23) to marriage divorce, remarriage (Matt 19:9) among other topics. All of these topics are essential to living a Christian life...Paul speaking about his own missionary work in taking the gospel to the world said "For I have not shunned to declare unto you "ALL" the counsel of God." (Acts 20:27). If a person or group has one of these topics wrong, then they are holding the gospel in error.
All topics are essential, so the issue I have is who has been given authority from God to determine for me and others which topics are essential and which ones are not? No one has been given that type of authority. What one person/group may consider non-essential would be considered essential to myself and others.
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Post by gomer on Sept 9, 2022 3:57:52 GMT -8
What is not debatable, ie, what is essentialThe gospel is essential but the gospel contains many different, diverse topics from salvation (Jn 3:16; Mark 16:16; Luke 13:3; etc) to worshipping God (Jn 4:23) to marriage divorce, remarriage (Matt 19:9) among other topics. All of these topics are essential to living a Christian life...Paul speaking about his own missionary work in taking the gospel to the world said " For I have not shunned to declare unto you "ALL" the counsel of God." (Acts 20:27). If a person or group has one of these topics wrong, then they are holding the gospel in error. All topics are essential, so the issue I have is who has been given authority from God to determine for me and others which topics are essential and which ones are not? No one has been given that type of authority. What one person/group may consider non-essential would be considered essential to myself and others. The Gospel ,That is, “The Good News” is very specific —- It is 1 Cor15:1-4 and Nothing Else....You can no more pluck out anything in the Bible and designate it “ The Gospel” than you can take any Sermon Of Jesus and call it “The Sermon on the Mount”...... The gospel is composed of ALL of Christ's doctrines, not just some.
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 9, 2022 21:00:49 GMT -8
The gospel is composed of ALL of Christ's doctrines, not just some
“Gospel” simply means “Good News”....
That “good news” is that Jesus died for your Sins and rose from the grave.....
Part of Jesus “ doctrine” was if you have a lustful thought , you are no better than an Adulterer.....if you Hate Somebody, you are a Murderer .....How is “that” Good News?
The * BIBLE” is composed of all the Doctrines —- the Gospel isn’t...... It * IS* a Doctrine .....words matter....
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Post by gomer on Sept 10, 2022 8:26:46 GMT -8
The gospel is composed of ALL of Christ's doctrines, not just some “Gospel” simply means “Good News”.... That “good news” is that Jesus died for your Sins and rose from the grave..... Part of Jesus “ doctrine” was if you have a lustful thought , you are no better than an Adulterer.....if you Hate Somebody, you are a Murderer .....How is “that” Good News? The * BIBLE” is composed of all the Doctrines —- the Gospel isn’t...... It * IS* a Doctrine .....words matter.... Even though the CORE message of the gospel teaches the death, burial and resurrection of Christ, the death, burial and resurrection of Christ will not save those who live in adultery, who steal, who murder, who worship God in vain, etc, etc. Though the gospel teaches the death burial and resurrection, the gospel also teaches the need for man to believe, repent, confess and be baptized for " the gospel is God's power unto salvation" (Rom 1:16) and salvation is not attainable apart from belief, repentance, confession, baptism and living a faithful life to God. The gospel teaches the good news about Christ's kingdom (" preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God"), about God's grace, (Acts 20:24--" the gospel of the grace of God") how one can be born again thru the gospel (1 Cor 4:15-- " I have begotten you through the gospel.") Life and immortality (" brought life and immortality to light through the gospel" 2 Tim 1:10), hope ( Col 1:23- " hope of the gospel") etc. Even though the gospel is the "good news" about Christ's death burial and resurrection, it is also the "good news" about salvation and how to be saved, it is the "good news" about the kingdom of God, the "good news" about grace, the "good news" about the new birth, the "good news" about life and immortality, the "good news" about hope. Rom 10:15 " How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!" The "good news" is the entire NT, the entire Bible!!!!A. The gospel was preached to the Israelites, but they did not benefit from it - Hebrews 4:2
B. The fact that Jerusalem would be destroyed - Matthew 24:14
1. It was evidence for the nations that the gospel was true.
C. The record of what the early disciples did - Matthew 26:13
D. What is the Gospel? It is the Word of God - I Peter 1:22-25
1. It is the Bible, old and new, but especially the New Testament
E. It is what we will be judged by - Romans 2:16
1. If not obeyed, we die - II Thessalonians 1:8
2. I Peter 4:17 www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/what-is-the-gospel-about/
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 11, 2022 2:03:36 GMT -8
B. The fact that Jerusalem would be destroyed - Matthew 24:1
Yeah, boy—— that’s “ Good News” If I ever heard any.....
You are really excelling at making your point........NOT!
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Post by gomer on Sept 11, 2022 5:51:45 GMT -8
B. The fact that Jerusalem would be destroyed - Matthew 24:1 Yeah, boy—— that’s “ Good News” If I ever heard any..... You are really excelling at making your point........NOT! "Jerusalem" said to be destroyed signified the end of Judaism. The good news of the gospel would be spread to the world thereby bring an end to Jerusalem, bring an end to Judaism, bring an end to the OT law which is a good thing since that law could not justify whereas the gospel can justify. Jerusalem was destroyed about 70AD by the Roman army, it was leveled.
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Post by Parker on Sept 11, 2022 8:09:56 GMT -8
B. The fact that Jerusalem would be destroyed - Matthew 24:1 Yeah, boy—— that’s “ Good News” If I ever heard any..... You are really excelling at making your point........NOT! "Jerusalem" said to be destroyed signified the end of Judaism. The good news of the gospel would be spread to the world thereby bring an end to Jerusalem, bring an end to Judaism, bring an end to the OT law which is a good thing since that law could not justify whereas the gospel can justify. Jerusalem was destroyed about 70AD by the Roman army, it was leveled. Siege of Jerusalem, (70 CE), Roman military blockade of Jerusalem during the First Jewish Revolt. The fall of the city marked the effective conclusion of a four-year campaign against the Jewish insurgency in Judaea. The Romans destroyed much of the city, including the Second Temple. The majority of information on the siege comes from the copious notes of the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus.
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Post by e v e on Sept 11, 2022 9:26:29 GMT -8
Christ did not debate.
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 11, 2022 21:01:47 GMT -8
B. The fact that Jerusalem would be destroyed - Matthew 24:1 Yeah, boy—— that’s “ Good News” If I ever heard any..... You are really excelling at making your point........NOT! "Jerusalem" said to be destroyed signified the end of Judaism. The good news of the gospel would be spread to the world thereby bring an end to Jerusalem, bring an end to Judaism, bring an end to the OT law which is a good thing since that law could not justify whereas the gospel can justify. Jerusalem was destroyed about 70AD by the Roman army, it was leveled. The “ End” Of Judaism ? Apparently Hitler did not get the note ....That Wicked man who hated your so-called Vanished Jews murdered 7 million of them.......
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Post by gomer on Sept 12, 2022 4:27:11 GMT -8
"Jerusalem" said to be destroyed signified the end of Judaism. The good news of the gospel would be spread to the world thereby bring an end to Jerusalem, bring an end to Judaism, bring an end to the OT law which is a good thing since that law could not justify whereas the gospel can justify. Jerusalem was destroyed about 70AD by the Roman army, it was leveled. The “ End” Of Judaism ? Apparently Hitler did not get the note ....That Wicked man who hated your so-called Vanished Jews murdered 7 million of them....... I said nothing about all Jews being killed but that Jerusalem would be destroyed, which it was, and that Judaism and the OT law would come to an end, which it did.
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 12, 2022 19:28:27 GMT -8
I said nothing about all Jews being killed but that Jerusalem would be destroyed, which it was, and that Judaism and the OT law would come to an end, which it did.
It “ came to an end? That would be a surprise to the tense thousands of Orthodox Jews in this and other counties....
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Post by eternallygrateful on Sept 14, 2022 8:33:48 GMT -8
yep. it is so easy that very few there are who actually place their total faith in christ. Grace salvation is the smallest religion on earth. The largest religion is the works based self righteous religion of the jews, the muslims, the legalistic church and all who claim we will get to heaven based on a scale model. How good we are. or how many works we have done. Thats the easiest gospel to fall for. because to the human will. it sounds so correct.. As for a license to sin, I wish I could be like most catholics I know and go on a drunken binge, sleep with my boyfriend or girlfriend. and go to a preist and make penance.. and its ok. Yes I dated a catholic for about 3 years.. I witnessed first hand what went in in her church.. and My best friend growing up was a catholic.. I saw first hand his family and others who went to his church and what they did.. Catholicism is simply Christianity, no more, no less. At one time it was virtually the only way the faith was known in the west, which also aligned in its basic teachings with the church in the east-and still does. And those teachings are its treasure, whether they're being observed mechanically or legalistically or otherwise. Those teachings are the body of beliefs she holds, based on what the early church received at the beginning, whether written or unwritten, just as you have basic beliefs that you hold to, based primarily on the written word but probably influenced more than you know by both the ancient church as well as more recent theologians and teachers. Now, according to church teachings a person can be forgiven for serious sin, sin that leads to death- and I went over the background of this teaching in another post on this forum- but it comes only with godly-sorrow over our sin: a changed and contrite and repentant heart together with real faith. But in "cultural Catholicism" this repentance can be practiced quite mechanically, externally, with no heart-change at all. It all depends how devoted to God a person really is-and on how serious the church is at ensuring that her teachings are truly known and lived out authentically-and that lukewarmness doesn't prevail. But it's mainly up to the individual, and some will take the message and run with it-producing much fruit- while others won't. Maybe the church should remove the poor soil altogether, leaders and laity alike, or at least make it less comfortable for them to persist. As it is the wheat and tares coexist-and God will do the final separting. That's happening more now as I see it-and the church teaches that renewal and reform is a constantly necessary process in any case. But my semi-peasant grandmother from the foothills of the Italian Alps had one of the simplest and most beautiful faiths I've encountered, based on the teachings of the church. Others down through the centuries did awesome things, inspired by the message put forth by the church. The world was darker, harsher, more chaotic, with little hope, while the church held a message that meant that order and meaning and goodness and love were foundational to this universe: offering true light in a dark world. The world seems to be growing darker again now, however, as I'm sure you're aware of. But inspired by the gospel message, countless hours of charity work and amounts of money have been performed and given to clothe the naked and feed the hungry. Altruism was virtually placed on the map by the church. Orphanages and hospitals were built extensively. The church, originally through monasteries, preserved what learning existed through the dark ages, eventually developing our educational systems in the west, lower and upper/university, as Christianity became accepted, widespread, and then increasingly influential in society. In fact, the church and its faith became the bond that held a fragmented and often warring society together after the fall of the Roman empire and into and through the middle ages. The betterment of living conditions, the promotion of the arts and sciences, the pursuit of excellence in general, was all part of the church’s legacy, beginning in a world very different in many ways from the one we take for granted now. If we look at the history of the jews. You could almost word for word write about them what you posted here. And it would be just as applicable. When scripture is not your final authority. This is what you get.
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Post by yacker on Sept 14, 2022 20:10:22 GMT -8
What is not debatable, ie, what is essentialThe gospel is essential but the gospel contains many different, diverse topics from salvation (Jn 3:16; Mark 16:16; Luke 13:3; etc) to worshipping God (Jn 4:23) to marriage divorce, remarriage (Matt 19:9) among other topics. All of these topics are essential to living a Christian life...Paul speaking about his own missionary work in taking the gospel to the world said " For I have not shunned to declare unto you "ALL" the counsel of God." (Acts 20:27). If a person or group has one of these topics wrong, then they are holding the gospel in error. All topics are essential, so the issue I have is who has been given authority from God to determine for me and others which topics are essential and which ones are not? No one has been given that type of authority. What one person/group may consider non-essential would be considered essential to myself and others. Paul was given that authority by Jesus, Paul said your saved by his Gospel you will be judged by his Gospel that Jesus Gave to him, If you have Paul's Gospel wrong you hold the gospel in error Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures It goes on but most are stuck at on 3 and don't believe it so cant even see the rest then go around thinking they are declaring all the counsel of God, if anyone preach any other Gospel they are cursed, still under the law still under the curse, dead in there sins, they can try and pretend you are working off your sin, but you cant, only Jesus blood can take away sin
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Post by bloodbought1953 on Sept 15, 2022 0:50:14 GMT -8
What is not debatable, ie, what is essentialThe gospel is essential but the gospel contains many different, diverse topics from salvation (Jn 3:16; Mark 16:16; Luke 13:3; etc) to worshipping God (Jn 4:23) to marriage divorce, remarriage (Matt 19:9) among other topics. All of these topics are essential to living a Christian life...Paul speaking about his own missionary work in taking the gospel to the world said " For I have not shunned to declare unto you "ALL" the counsel of God." (Acts 20:27). If a person or group has one of these topics wrong, then they are holding the gospel in error. All topics are essential, so the issue I have is who has been given authority from God to determine for me and others which topics are essential and which ones are not? No one has been given that type of authority. What one person/group may consider non-essential would be considered essential to myself and others. Paul was given that authority by Jesus, Paul said your saved by his Gospel you will be judged by his Gospel that Jesus Gave to him, If you have Paul's Gospel wrong you hold the gospel in error Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures It goes on but most are stuck at on 3 and don't believe it so cant even see the rest then go around thinking they are declaring all the counsel of God, if anyone preach any other Gospel they are cursed, still under the law still under the curse, dead in there sins, they can try and pretend you are working off your sin, but you cant, only Jesus blood can take away sin Its nice to see that I am not alone in sticking up for Paul’s Gospel ......I’ve been doing it for years.....There’s no better way to get kicked out of “ christian” Site....I’ve been kicked out of two or three.......Isn't that Strange? I don’t think anything like that will occur here..... Regardless, keep up the good work.....it’s like I have a Twin! Lol....
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Post by gomer on Sept 15, 2022 8:17:44 GMT -8
What is not debatable, ie, what is essentialThe gospel is essential but the gospel contains many different, diverse topics from salvation (Jn 3:16; Mark 16:16; Luke 13:3; etc) to worshipping God (Jn 4:23) to marriage divorce, remarriage (Matt 19:9) among other topics. All of these topics are essential to living a Christian life...Paul speaking about his own missionary work in taking the gospel to the world said " For I have not shunned to declare unto you "ALL" the counsel of God." (Acts 20:27). If a person or group has one of these topics wrong, then they are holding the gospel in error. All topics are essential, so the issue I have is who has been given authority from God to determine for me and others which topics are essential and which ones are not? No one has been given that type of authority. What one person/group may consider non-essential would be considered essential to myself and others. Paul was given that authority by Jesus, Paul said your saved by his Gospel you will be judged by his Gospel that Jesus Gave to him, If you have Paul's Gospel wrong you hold the gospel in error Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures It goes on but most are stuck at on 3 and don't believe it so cant even see the rest then go around thinking they are declaring all the counsel of God, if anyone preach any other Gospel they are cursed, still under the law still under the curse, dead in there sins, they can try and pretend you are working off your sin, but you cant, only Jesus blood can take away sin The gospel, the good news, includes the death, burial and resurrection of Christ but Paul also preached other things. Paul's gospel includes other things as acceptable/unacceptable worship to God, (Col 2:23) issues about marriage divorce and remarriage (1 Cor 7:39; Rom 7:1-4) If one is living in adultery and impenitently continues to live in adultery then the good news of the death burial and resurrection of Christ cannot save him. One must live according to all the doctrine of Christ, not just some of Christ's doctrine.
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