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Post by genez on Aug 29, 2022 18:53:13 GMT -8
I have a bias that grace is not yet causing me to relax with. I bristle in the presence of prissy people. Then do not be prissy. Don't imagine others to be either. Life is soooomuch easier that way. Tell me.. Tell us all. Was Christ tempted ever? No. Christ was never tempted in the sense he ever had any untoward desire or lust that might entice him or drag him away. He was exposed to all varieties of temptation or bait but there was nothing in him by which he might act as the first Adam had. As R. C. Sproul once put it, in order for a person to sin s/he must have a desire to do so. Jesus had no such desire. He was impeccable.
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Post by genez on Aug 29, 2022 12:17:35 GMT -8
James says we are tempted by our own lusts that entice us and drag us away to sin. Show me single example of scripture reporting Jesus having any enticement by which he might be dragged away to sin. When you don't find such an example embrace the silence and accept there were none. Jesus had no fallen nature. He had no inherent lusts. Like I said. You are blurring the distinctions between a sinless humanity and a fallen humanity. You are unable to picture it. |
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Post by genez on Aug 29, 2022 12:05:33 GMT -8
If Jesus could not be tempted? He could not offer solutions for you when you are tempted.
Jesus was not dumb when it comes to understanding temptation. He needed to suffer through each temptation he faced as he sought the perfect solution in truth to nullify the power of each temptation.
That's all backwards. Of course Jesus can offer solutions for us when we are tempted even if he could not be tempted. James 1 makes it very clear God is not tempted, and yet He clearly offered a solution for when we are tempted. It is because Jesus could not be tempted that he is able to offer solutions. No one has even remotely insinuated Jesus is dumb. That's just a blatant red herring evidenced a failed understanding of scripture, the conversation being had, and the sound doctrine upon which we should all be standing. Jesus suffered because he lived among the sinful and was exposed to all the sins of humanity. The Righteous One living among the depraved. None of us knows what that was like. You have said he needed to suffer through each temptation he faced as he sought the perfect solution. This implies he didn't already possess the solution, lacked the knowledge necessary to solve the problem of sin, and had to go find it even though that solution is his very being, not knowledge or action. Not only are those some of the undeniable implications of claims, but I'd like you to show me where the Bible shows us Jesus suffering through the temptation to steal from someone. Where does scripture show Jesus suffering through the temptation wanting to murder someone. Or how about showing me where scripture reports him wanting to sodomize little boys, carve them up, cook them, and the eat them. Don't have Jesus Lite. Have the guy who looked all of human depravity square in the face unassailed because he is impeccable. James says we are tempted by our own lusts that entice us and drag us away to sin. Show me single example of scripture reporting Jesus having any enticement by which he might be dragged away to sin. When you don't find such an example embrace the silence and accept there were none. God can not be tempted by evil.... Yes, of course. You seem to have a void in your thinking in regards to the dual natures of Jesus Christ. He was fully man. And, fully God.... in union. Adam was without sin as he came from the hands of God. But, he was temptable. Adam in that pre-fallen state was also capable of not sinning. But, when we are born with a fallen nature? We are born sinners. We will sin by nature. In contrast to us? Jesus was born like the first Adam was created before his fall. Without a fallen nature. Jesus' humanity was not like our fallen humanity. You keep suffering from having a blur in your logic concerning this factor, which I am afraid makes you not able to reasoned with. To say Jesus was able to be tempted? Is to not to say he would sin. Jesus without a sin nature was fully able not to sin. Just as Adam before his fall was fully able not to sin. Jesus came to earth to reverse for us what Adam jumped into. Its why we need to be born again. |
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Post by genez on Aug 29, 2022 12:02:37 GMT -8
Oh yes I do.... Just not walking into what I find as your restrictive mode. Attributional bias. You created the problem. When it was engaged non sequitur was posted. When the inefficacy of that was noted an imaginary problem on the other poster's end is asserted. Wouldn't it be much easier to say, "Yeo, my bad," and be honest, forthcoming, and thereby commended? That is the way into liberty and cogent discourse that actually evidences some competent authenticity. Christ is impeccable. The existence of sin is immaterial to his impeccability and care should be taken by all so as not to predicate our Christology on something temporal. I have a bias that grace is not yet causing me to relax with. I bristle in the presence of prissy people. Tell me.. Tell us all. Was Christ tempted ever? |
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Post by genez on Aug 28, 2022 20:39:04 GMT -8
1.)Bad boy! 2.) Bad girl! 3.) Bad eunuch! 4.) and..... bad dog! I threw in number 4 free of charge. Unh hunh..... studied on the matter  .... and know how to conduct cogent discourse. Oh yes I do.... Just not walking into what I find as your restrictive mode.
Setting your terms in a manner that will not allow me to answer the question in a manner I am accustomed to.
Must simpler would have been...." Can you show examples of sin that are contained in the Bible?"
That would tell you if I know the definition without me trying to guess what you concept may be.. and possibly leading into another run through a rabbit patch.
And, I do not like being treated as if you are interviewing me for a job application, for a job I do not want.
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Post by genez on Aug 28, 2022 17:18:23 GMT -8
In your book? Was that a sin? Irrelevant. Anyone who has studied hamartiology to the point of assuring everyone else of their study should spell it correctly  . And it was a joke, so loosen up. No one really cares if a spelling error occurred. Let's try this: What are three ways scripture itself defines sin? 1. 2. 3. Quote the verses and let them do the defining without additional commentary. 1.)Bad boy! 2.) Bad girl! 3.) Bad eunuch! 4.) and..... bad dog! I threw in number 4 free of charge. |
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Post by genez on Aug 28, 2022 12:58:19 GMT -8
You`re a lot funnier when you`re being serious. That is an art... |
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Post by genez on Aug 28, 2022 12:55:36 GMT -8
I have studied harmaritology.
Then you ought to know how to correctly spell the word. In your book? Was that a sin? |
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Post by genez on Aug 27, 2022 18:45:00 GMT -8
 Don't worry.. I understand the Rock. Feel free to explain it to me. |
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Post by genez on Aug 27, 2022 9:35:35 GMT -8
No genez, don`t do it! You can`t win Rock. |
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Post by genez on Aug 26, 2022 23:11:20 GMT -8
genez I haven't even started yet, you and joseph would love to get me outta here, ain't gonna happen, see, I know you, you think with a Western mindset and worldview, you come from CF. Well, how's stunnebygrace? Still stunned? I haven't seen anything from you yet, just your opinion that Messiah Yeshua, the Ehyeh asher Ehyeh, could succumb to or yield to temptations. That is blasphemous. Messiah Yeshua is/haya God in the flesh, the God Man. J.
Who is Joseph you speak of?
Western mindset? What kind of mindset you have?
I never said Jesus could succumb in the manner you speak. I said he had to be temptable in order to pioneer the way to nullify the power of temptation for men to utilize in their spiritual walk. For he pioneered the way of faith for us to walk in. He will always provide a way out of temptation.
No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind.
And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can
bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so
that you can endure it." 1 Cor 10:13
That "way out" is is what He pioneered in His perfecting of our faith. Perfected because he allowed Himself to be exposed to temptations as a man to overcome them. If He could not have been tempted? We would have no faith that he perfected. Perfected in his sufferings for us to now walk in.
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Post by genez on Aug 26, 2022 22:58:07 GMT -8
No genez, don`t do it! You can`t win Rock. Don't do what?
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Post by genez on Aug 26, 2022 22:36:26 GMT -8
genez I haven't even started yet, you and joseph would love to get me outta here, ain't gonna happen, see, I know you, you think with a Western mindset and worldview, you come from CF. Well, how's stunnebygrace? Still stunned? I haven't seen anything from you yet, just your opinion that Messiah Yeshua, the Ehyeh asher Ehyeh, could succumb to or yield to temptations. That is blasphemous. Messiah Yeshua is/haya God in the flesh, the God Man. J.
If Jesus could not be tempted? He could not offer solutions for you when you are tempted.
Jesus was not dumb when it comes to understanding temptation. He needed to suffer through each temptation he faced as he sought the perfect solution in truth to nullify the power of each temptation.
If he could not be tempted? He could not have suffered to perfect our faith to have.
You would have nothing left to defend yourself with but apathy and emotional impotence to resist temptation with.
The following passage from Hebrews 5:7-12 is about how Jesus painfully faced temptations..
(And, how even back then certain believers were being dense in understanding it)
If Jesus sinned just once? He would have had instantly experienced spiritual death.
Spiritual death just like Adam died spiritually when he ate the fruit.
For Adam when he ate he died. Died not physically. But, died *spiritually.* (Genesis 2:17)
Hebrews 5:7-10 is an account of how Jesus needed to painfully suffer through his temptations awaiting the solution from the Father to keep on remaining pure. (and, its also about also how certain believers were dense in comprehending the truth of what Jesus had suffered through)
During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions
with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and
he was heard because of his reverent submission. Son though he was, he learned
obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the
source of eternal salvation for all who obey him and was designated by God
to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.
Jesus became the author and finisher of our faith through that process! For, it says...
Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect,
he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him!
Someone here will get it. But, not everyone back then understood those words either. For it also says...
We have much to say about this, but it is hard to make it clear to you because you
no longer try to understand. In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers,
you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God’s word all over again.
You need milk, not solid food!
Hebrews 5:7-12 ....................
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Post by genez on Aug 26, 2022 15:17:12 GMT -8
genez Yeah? how much patience do you have left? Long enough to see you bounced out of here if you persist in the counter edification mode you seem to prefer. Yet also? Patient enough to endure, to see if you will finally want to start contributing something constructive here. |
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Post by genez on Aug 26, 2022 13:54:29 GMT -8
Let me try again How was Jesus tempted? Peiradzo Dokimazo Like you are tempting me to lose my patience, with you. |
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.... and know how to conduct cogent discourse.
. And it was a joke, so loosen up. No one really cares if a spelling error occurred.